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BamaD -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 6:03:27 PM)
I know but the guy while he did originally buy the gun legally possesed it illegally. He violated current law, no reason to think he would have obeyed a new law. This makes tighter restrictions a moot point.

Real0ne -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 6:04:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well if you and muse dont like it here why dont you move to angleland? you can fight for banning forks and spoons there! While I am flattered to be "lumped"with MM,I don't,at present,have any intentions of emigrating.Your input was given the weight it deserved,in other words quickly filed in the loony bin.[:)] such retaliation tsk tsk

Real0ne -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 6:20:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD This thread has gotten way off topic. When ever there is a thread about a shooting it will eventually come down to some calling for some kind of gun control, restrictions, less guns or whatever. BUT BUT BUT GUN BANS WORK! The Telegraph Sawn-off shotguns favoured by criminals in the past are still the easiest of weapons to obtain but they are less popular because they cannot be concealed as easily as a converted handgun. Handguns are the weapon of choice for criminals on the street and they are relatively easy to obtain, even for teenage gangs – the challenge for many is to get the ammunition. The Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) provided support to 66 police operations last year in which more than 50 illegal firearms were seized, including automatic weapons and over 4,000 rounds of ammunition. Most of the weapons were loaded and there were more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition. The report said prices for new converted firearms range from £400 to £800, with .38” revolvers at the lower end. Prices for “purpose-built” handguns varied from around £150 to £200 for a gun known to have been used in a crime, to a typical £1,000 to £1,400 for a new 9mm model. The Government is attempting to tackle these issues under last year’s Violent Crime Reduction Act which has brought in a new offence of using someone to mind a weapon and a requirement to have a certificate before being able to buy components for ammunition and will make it an offence to manufacture, import or sell a realistic imitation firearm from October 1. In some cases it is thought teenagers have hired out weapons to threaten others, in other cases they have been caught holding them for older gang members. In London alone Operation Trident seized 917 firearms last year and 61,930 rounds of ammunition. Offences nationwide have risen from 14,000 in 1996 to 21,500 last year. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/majornews/1561290/The-underworld-gun-trade.html seriously how many people would have died in any of the recent shootings if there were in fact GUN CONTROL?

Aswad -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 6:34:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Guns are neutral some people are bad. Norway has as many guns per citizen as does Afghanistan. Even so, the previous gun related incident was like a month ago, in the capital, I think. IWYW, — Aswad.

lovmuffin -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 6:36:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yeah,we here in America make it real easy for the Mexican gangs to get guns.Texas and Arizona act,for those gangs, much like Virginia and Florida act for New Yorks criminals. Gun grabbers would like everyone to believe the only place Mexican drug gangs get their guns is the US. The fact is they get them from the Mexican army, police and various places all over the world where they are stockpiled. Even if you could theoretically eliminate all The guns in the US do you really believe drug gangs couldn't lay their hands on the weapons that they want ? If the people and politicians in NY want to keep keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens that's their business, the bad guys are laghing at the stupidity of making it easier to ply their trade It doesn't mean those of us in FL or VA are going to fall for a guilt trip and disarm because ignoramuses in NY don't like guns.

Musicmystery -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 6:48:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well if you and muse dont like it here why dont you move to angleland? you can fight for banning forks and spoons there! What are you talking about? I love it here--that's why I speak up when idiots try to ruin it. Here's the thing...forks and spoons aren't problems.

BamaD -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 8:14:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Yeah,we here in America make it real easy for the Mexican gangs to get guns.Texas and Arizona act,for those gangs, much like Virginia and Florida act for New Yorks criminals. Gun grabbers would like everyone to believe the only place Mexican drug gangs get their guns is the US. The fact is they get them from the Mexican army, police and various places all over the world where they are stockpiled. Even if you could theoretically eliminate all The guns in the US do you really believe drug gangs couldn't lay their hands on the weapons that they want ? If the people and politicians in NY want to keep keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens that's their business, the bad guys are laghing at the stupidity of making it easier to ply their trade It doesn't mean those of us in FL or VA are going to fall for a guilt trip and disarm because ignoramuses in NY don't like guns. To a certain extent he is right, you forget fast and furious.

slvemike4u -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 8:27:25 PM)
"certain extent" my ass !

lovmuffin -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 8:36:59 PM)
I didn't say they don't get any guns in the US, I said the US is not the only source and if it was the only source and it dried up tomorrow the drug gangs would still get their hands on them.

slvemike4u -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 8:42:05 PM)
Your whole argument seems to come down to "it's pointless,so why do anything at all " That and guns are good [8\|]

BamaD -> RE: New York Shootings (8/28/2012 9:06:06 PM)
No the point is that they disarm the people who obey the law and don't affect the bad guys, so it is not just that they don't work but that they increase the advantage the bad guys have, see DC. Even if you get rid of all guns it still works to their advantage, a sixty year old has virtually no chance against a 20 year old in a knife fight but he may in a gun fight. Guns are nuetral like cars knives axes etc

Musicmystery -> RE: New York Shootings (8/29/2012 4:24:36 AM)
quote: don't affect the bad guys How is it you know this? You keep a log of all armings/disarmings, like Santa, noting who's naughty and who's nice?

Politesub53 -> RE: New York Shootings (8/29/2012 4:41:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD This thread has gotten way off topic. When ever there is a thread about a shooting it will eventually come down to some calling for some kind of gun control, restrictions, less guns or whatever. BUT BUT BUT GUN BANS WORK! Of course gun controls work, why else does the USA have a gun/murder rate 40 times higher than the UK ?

Politesub53 -> RE: New York Shootings (8/29/2012 4:43:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No the point is that they disarm the people who obey the law and don't affect the bad guys, so it is not just that they don't work but that they increase the advantage the bad guys have, see DC. Even if you get rid of all guns it still works to their advantage, a sixty year old has virtually no chance against a 20 year old in a knife fight but he may in a gun fight. Guns are nuetral like cars knives axes etc contradict yourself much ?

BamaD -> RE: New York Shootings (8/29/2012 10:48:43 AM)
You sound like the D C offical who said the gun ban there worked because the % of murders with guns dropped in half. Problem was the murder rate doubled. Thus the murder rate with guns stayed the same but the bad guys went wild with everything else.

BamaD -> RE: New York Shootings (8/29/2012 10:51:26 AM)
Never

Politesub53 -> RE: New York Shootings (8/29/2012 11:36:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You sound like the D C offical who said the gun ban there worked because the % of murders with guns dropped in half. Problem was the murder rate doubled. Thus the murder rate with guns stayed the same but the bad guys went wild with everything else. That wont wash, I am just presenting the figures on murders by shootings, so put away your red herrings. Regards your contradiction. "Even if you get rid of all guns it still works to their advantage, a sixty year old has virtually no chance against a 20 year old in a knife fight but he may in a gun fight." Is contradicted by "Guns are nuetral like cars knives axes etc" Edited to fix quote

Yachtie -> RE: New York Shootings (8/29/2012 11:45:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Here's the thing...forks and spoons aren't problems. Well at least I didn't use a spoon![8D]

Musicmystery -> RE: New York Shootings (8/29/2012 1:50:42 PM)
[:D] See? Not a problem.

Rule -> RE: New York Shootings (8/29/2012 2:06:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Of course gun controls work, why else does the USA have a gun/murder rate 40 times higher than the UK ? Not because of gun control, but because they are more civilized.

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