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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 7:23:31 AM   
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Now it appears that the hair furor asked Sessions about closing case against Arpaio,

From Wa Po
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-asked-sessions-about-closing-case-against-arpaio-an-ally-since-birtherism/2017/08/26/15e5d7b2-8a7f-11e7-a94f-3139abce39f5_story.html?utm_term=.ce16d8e35dc3

As Joseph Arpaio’s federal case headed toward trial this past spring, President Trump wanted to act to help the former Arizona county sheriff who had become a campaign-trail companion and a partner in their crusade against illegal immigration.

The president asked Attorney General Jeff Sessions whether it would be possible for the government to drop the criminal case against Arpaio, but was advised that would be inappropriate, according to three people with knowledge of the conversation.

After talking with Sessions, Trump decided to let the case go to trial, and if Arpaio was convicted, he could grant clemency.

So the president waited, all the while planning to issue a pardon if Arpaio was found in contempt of court for defying a federal judge’s order to stop detaining people merely because he suspected them of being undocumented immigrants. Trump was, in the words of one associate, “gung-ho about it.”

“We knew the president wanted to do this for some time now and had worked to prepare for whenever the moment may come,” said one White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the action.

Responding to questions about Trump’s conversation with Sessions, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said, “It’s only natural the president would have a discussion with administration lawyers about legal matters. This case would be no different.”

The Justice Department declined to comment.

Trump’s Friday-evening decision to issue his first pardon for Arpaio was the culmination of a five-year political friendship with roots in the “birther” movement to undermine President Barack Obama. In an extraordinary exercise of presidential power, Trump bypassed the traditional review process to ensure that Arpaio, who was convicted of contempt of court, would face no time in prison.
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One racist pig pardoning another racist pig
Birtherism friend got his back
colour me shocked

how many more will he pardon?


Except, I clearly remember you howlers regurgitating talking point propaganda claiming that the president doesn't listen to anyone

In fairness, the article information came from those same Wa Po three anonymous people who would know. They've given us such good information in the past.

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 7:38:56 AM   
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Amazing how, even with all of the wealth and power of the Amazon Post behind them they can't keep their 'hate Trump' propaganda messages consistent

I think they're rattled, from the top to the bottom. What vile filthy lie haven't they thrown at the man? And yet he still stands, and his supporters distrust the media more than ever

They're struggling in quicksand, it seems

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 8:06:07 AM   
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Amazing how, even with all of the wealth and power of the Amazon Post behind them they can't keep their 'hate Trump' propaganda messages consistent

I think they're rattled, from the top to the bottom. What vile filthy lie haven't they thrown at the man? And yet he still stands, and his supporters distrust the media more than ever

They're struggling in quicksand, it seems

Wow, yours may not be the most overt “attack the messenger” response we have seen on this forum, but it would be among the top 10.

It would be terrifying if this conversation between the president and the Atty. Gen. were true and this incident became another pillar in the charges that will make up the congressional report on the impeachment of Pres. Trump.

That will be a howler, will it not?

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 8:26:00 AM   
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Obama pardons a literal bomb-making terrorist - crickets

Trump pardons a friend from the campaign trail - "It's the end of the world"

The media messaging is a bigger part of this than anything else, btw. The Amazon Post narrative is that a Democrat president never asks stupid questions, or questions any advisers on skirting laws, nothing that could be perceived as 'shady' or underhanded ever goes on in a Democrat administration

You know, despite Fast & Furious, despite Lois Lerner and her massive IRS scandal, despite the infamous tarmac meeting between Bill Clinton and Susan Rice AND the whole hidden email scandal, despite Benghazi, despite Solyndra, despite the huge cash payment to Iran, despite everything

Yet 'anonymous unnamed sources' keep putting out "leaked" propaganda articles asserting that this Republican president can do no right, ever - and we are supposed to blindly follow that narrative

There is more, of course. With any and every Democrat scandal, hearings are a "waste of time and taxpayer money". We need to "get on with the nations business" etc. There is NEVER anything to see here

With Republican "scandals" it's always the exact opposite, there has to be a crime, we just need to endlessly investigate every aspect of the target Republican (and their friends and family etc) until we find it

President Trump was elected on a stated campaign message of being extremely tough on illegal immigration and border security

Obama had an illegal open borders operation in effect, and Hillary pledged to double down on that operation

President Trump is upholding the law and his promise to the voters, and he is honoring his friendship with the very popular Joe Arpaio. Despite the intense howling, all is well in the White House for the first time in a very long time

Imagine - a politician who honors his campaign promises, and who honors his true friends

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 8:38:15 AM   
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There is more, of course. With any and every Democrat scandal, hearings are a "waste of time and taxpayer money". We need to "get on with the nations business" etc. There is NEVER anything to see here

With Republican "scandals" it's always the exact opposite, there has to be a crime, we just need to endlessly investigate every aspect of the target Republican (and their friends and family etc) until we find it

So, just out of interest, how many democratic presidents have resigned to avoid impeachment, and then been pardoned not just for the offences they were being investigated over, but for anything else they might have done that was illegal while in office, by their former vice president when he succeeded them?

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 9:06:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Now it appears that the hair furor asked Sessions about closing case against Arpaio,

From Wa Po
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-asked-sessions-about-closing-case-against-arpaio-an-ally-since-birtherism/2017/08/26/15e5d7b2-8a7f-11e7-a94f-3139abce39f5_story.html?utm_term=.ce16d8e35dc3

As Joseph Arpaio’s federal case headed toward trial this past spring, President Trump wanted to act to help the former Arizona county sheriff who had become a campaign-trail companion and a partner in their crusade against illegal immigration.

The president asked Attorney General Jeff Sessions whether it would be possible for the government to drop the criminal case against Arpaio, but was advised that would be inappropriate, according to three people with knowledge of the conversation.

After talking with Sessions, Trump decided to let the case go to trial, and if Arpaio was convicted, he could grant clemency.

So the president waited, all the while planning to issue a pardon if Arpaio was found in contempt of court for defying a federal judge’s order to stop detaining people merely because he suspected them of being undocumented immigrants. Trump was, in the words of one associate, “gung-ho about it.”

“We knew the president wanted to do this for some time now and had worked to prepare for whenever the moment may come,” said one White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the action.

Responding to questions about Trump’s conversation with Sessions, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said, “It’s only natural the president would have a discussion with administration lawyers about legal matters. This case would be no different.”

The Justice Department declined to comment.

Trump’s Friday-evening decision to issue his first pardon for Arpaio was the culmination of a five-year political friendship with roots in the “birther” movement to undermine President Barack Obama. In an extraordinary exercise of presidential power, Trump bypassed the traditional review process to ensure that Arpaio, who was convicted of contempt of court, would face no time in prison.
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One racist pig pardoning another racist pig
Birtherism friend got his back
colour me shocked

how many more will he pardon?


Except, I clearly remember you howlers regurgitating talking point propaganda claiming that the president doesn't listen to anyone

In fairness, the article information came from those same Wa Po three anonymous people who would know. They've given us such good information in the past.

well sarah hucklebunny accepted the report but downplayed it, ....otherwise Im all eyes waiting for your proof its fake....
i wont hold my breath.
Maybe thats why he had the hissy fit over sessions....
he does like to deflect and lie a lot.
Like using the hurricane to pardon arpaio, sign the transgender /army EO and Gorka being fired...not to mention the 800,000 dreamers.
PS, you have been "howling" your bigoted bullshit for years..everyone knows it.

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 10:04:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Now it appears that the hair furor asked Sessions about closing case against Arpaio,

From Wa Po
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-asked-sessions-about-closing-case-against-arpaio-an-ally-since-birtherism/2017/08/26/15e5d7b2-8a7f-11e7-a94f-3139abce39f5_story.html?utm_term=.ce16d8e35dc3

As Joseph Arpaio’s federal case headed toward trial this past spring, President Trump wanted to act to help the former Arizona county sheriff who had become a campaign-trail companion and a partner in their crusade against illegal immigration.

The president asked Attorney General Jeff Sessions whether it would be possible for the government to drop the criminal case against Arpaio, but was advised that would be inappropriate, according to three people with knowledge of the conversation.

After talking with Sessions, Trump decided to let the case go to trial, and if Arpaio was convicted, he could grant clemency.

So the president waited, all the while planning to issue a pardon if Arpaio was found in contempt of court for defying a federal judge’s order to stop detaining people merely because he suspected them of being undocumented immigrants. Trump was, in the words of one associate, “gung-ho about it.”

“We knew the president wanted to do this for some time now and had worked to prepare for whenever the moment may come,” said one White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the action.

Responding to questions about Trump’s conversation with Sessions, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said, “It’s only natural the president would have a discussion with administration lawyers about legal matters. This case would be no different.”

The Justice Department declined to comment.

Trump’s Friday-evening decision to issue his first pardon for Arpaio was the culmination of a five-year political friendship with roots in the “birther” movement to undermine President Barack Obama. In an extraordinary exercise of presidential power, Trump bypassed the traditional review process to ensure that Arpaio, who was convicted of contempt of court, would face no time in prison.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

One racist pig pardoning another racist pig
Birtherism friend got his back
colour me shocked

how many more will he pardon?


Except, I clearly remember you howlers regurgitating talking point propaganda claiming that the president doesn't listen to anyone

In fairness, the article information came from those same Wa Po three anonymous people who would know. They've given us such good information in the past.

well sarah hucklebunny accepted the report but downplayed it, ....otherwise Im all eyes waiting for your proof its fake....
i wont hold my breath.
Maybe thats why he had the hissy fit over sessions....
he does like to deflect and lie a lot.
Like using the hurricane to pardon arpaio, sign the transgender /army EO and Gorka being fired...not to mention the 800,000 dreamers.
PS, you have been "howling" your bigoted bullshit for years..everyone knows it.

No please do hold your breath. You know that whenever you say jump I ask how high. You have such a commanding dominant nature I can't help it.

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 1:28:08 PM   
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When you cant back up your lies, you are full of bulllshit,as usual. it's got fuck all to do with being a 'dominant', and everything to do with you being a lying scummy dickhole

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 2:06:31 PM   
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What a lot of folks miss here is that this is more than a nasty guy getting a pass.

His crimes include ignoring judicial orders and investigating a judge's wife.

THAT'S what this is about for Trump: Fuck off Judicial System!

And that's why this is super not good.

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 2:14:54 PM   
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What a lot of folks miss here is that this is more than a nasty guy getting a pass.

His crimes include ignoring judicial orders and investigating a judge's wife.

THAT'S what this is about for Trump: Fuck off Judicial System!

And that's why this is super not good.


How is this worse than Obama's pardons, or any other presidents pardons

Take your time, I will wait.

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 2:15:31 PM   
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Go over the post with your reading tutor. It answers your question.

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 2:19:05 PM   
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Go over the post with your reading tutor. It answers your question.


That is no answer, that is your typical trollish stupidity

Obama pardoned a terrorist who made bombs to kill people. How was Arpaio worse. How was Arpaio worse than any other presidents pardons.

Take your time, try really hard to craft an intelligent 'grown-up' post this time.

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 2:21:14 PM   
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Since the post was specifically about why Arpaio was different, again, read it. With your tutor if it's giving you that much trouble.

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 2:23:40 PM   
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Since the post was specifically about why Arpaio was different, again, read it. With your tutor if it's giving you that much trouble.


In your infinite stupidity, you really believe that the Arpaio pardon itself was the crime of the century

I understand perfectly.

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 3:31:18 PM   
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What a lot of folks miss here is that this is more than a nasty guy getting a pass.

His crimes include ignoring judicial orders and investigating a judge's wife.

THAT'S what this is about for Trump: Fuck off Judicial System!

And that's why this is super not good.


How is this worse than Obama's pardons, or any other presidents pardons

Take your time, I will wait.

Let me revisit my OP for a moment. For me, what is horrendous about the Sheriff is that he was a man in authority who abused poor people. He was a racial prick. Probably still is. People in authority must be held to a higher standard of behavior. But, that was not my main concern.

A dictatorship of the left or the right depends upon brute force and terror to survive. A democracy depends upon respect for its institutions, without which it cannot survive. Mr. Trump has been a bully throughout his campaign and throughout his presidency. Being a bully isn’t going to work in a democracy unless you destroy the democracy. Mr. Trump has shown disregard for many of the institutions that make our democracy work.

His pardoning of the Sheriff is just one more example of that behavior. That is why this pardon is not comparable to what other presidents have done. This one is another attack on our institutions. That is why Trump seems so dangerous to many of us.



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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 3:46:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What a lot of folks miss here is that this is more than a nasty guy getting a pass.

His crimes include ignoring judicial orders and investigating a judge's wife.

THAT'S what this is about for Trump: Fuck off Judicial System!

And that's why this is super not good.


How is this worse than Obama's pardons, or any other presidents pardons

Take your time, I will wait.

Let me revisit my OP for a moment. For me, what is horrendous about the Sheriff is that he was a man in authority who abused poor people. He was a racial prick. Probably still is. People in authority must be held to a higher standard of behavior. But, that was not my main concern.

A dictatorship of the left or the right depends upon brute force and terror to survive. A democracy depends upon respect for its institutions, without which it cannot survive. Mr. Trump has been a bully throughout his campaign and throughout his presidency. Being a bully isn’t going to work in a democracy unless you destroy the democracy. Mr. Trump has shown disregard for many of the institutions that make our democracy work.

His pardoning of the Sheriff is just one more example of that behavior. That is why this pardon is not comparable to what other presidents have done. This one is another attack on our institutions. That is why Trump seems so dangerous to many of us.



I don't agree. For instance I saw, Obama coming out and saying if he'd had a son it would look just like Travon Martin while George Zimmerman was still going through the system, basically polluting that system. I see Obama setting the IRS on his political opponents just in time for his reelection polluting that system. I see Obama standing up when a white cop wa making sure a black citizen was okay, following established procedure, and saying the white cop acted stupidly which basically polluted the system. I see the Atterney General saying "my people" in reference to black Americans while excluding white Americans as polluting the system. I see the Obama justice department letting racist black activists off when they had pretty much already been found guilty of voter intimidation as polluting the system.

So, when I hear that Obama's justice department went after Arpaio like a witch hunt I have to believe it. I believe it because Obama polluted the system with racist shit and left the state of race relations in this country far worse than he found it.

And, while Obama was doing all that and more I heard not a word in complaint from the left. When Obama made the universities take away men's right to due process on college campuses I heard the left cheer.

I have no doubt in my mind that this case is a product of the racist Obama administration and the racist Justice department under Obama.

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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 3:49:34 PM   
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Your childish imagination doesn't count. Let's talk real world stuff... Arpaio was convicted of a misdemeanor, contempt of court. The worst he could have been given was a small fine and a possible six months of jail time

Obama pardoned a bomb-making terrorist friend of his





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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 3:49:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What a lot of folks miss here is that this is more than a nasty guy getting a pass.

His crimes include ignoring judicial orders and investigating a judge's wife.

THAT'S what this is about for Trump: Fuck off Judicial System!

And that's why this is super not good.


How is this worse than Obama's pardons, or any other presidents pardons

Take your time, I will wait.


Ah, the "...but Obama" retort. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. So? Presidents pardon people, even if its controversial. You dont like Obama's selection, we get it. Folks didnt like Ford's decision and dislike Trump's decision.

But lets be honest...your Obama hard-on is poking a hole in your skivvies, love. Maybe if you dig hard enough, you can find proof that Obama killed Jesus Christ, crashed the Hindenburg, and even made the iceberg that sunk the Tianic while you are at it


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RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio - 8/27/2017 3:52:15 PM   
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That's what we do here in the real world. We compare things so that we can discuss differences and similarities, and make judgements based on the differences

That happens in political discussions a lot

Here in the real world

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