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vincentML -> Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 6:08:16 AM)

McCain: Trump pardoning Arpaio 'undermines his claim for the respect of rule of law'

"Mr. Arpaio was found guilty of criminal contempt for continuing to illegally profile Latinos living in Arizona based on their perceived immigration status in violation of a judge's orders," McCain said in a statement.



Sheriff Joe Arpaio, in my opinion, was a detestable law man. And, his manner of executing his duties as Sheriff were repellent. Again, this is just my opinion, BUT, the Sheriff himself is not the central issue at hand. A democracy depends on respect for its institutions and rule of law. This is just one more example where president Trumps actions are a threat to our basic institutions.




servantforuse -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 6:31:41 AM)

In my opinion he was a great sheriff and deserved a pardon. Right on Mr. President.




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 6:32:51 AM)

He violated constitutional rights, he is a racist pig, and trump is giving him a pass...
who is surprised,




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 6:39:36 AM)

Not surprised. Disappointed.

Have your last hurrah, alt-right. All you're doing is waking the sleeping.

And once they're up, you're done.




servantforuse -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 6:43:30 AM)

Obama pardoned 1,715 felons during his tenure, more that any previous president. 273 federal inmates in one day. You or Vincent didn't seem to have a problem with that.




BoscoX -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 6:46:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He violated constitutional rights, he is a racist pig, and trump is giving him a pass...
who is surprised,



His crime was enforcing the laws that Obama refused to enforce, just like Trudeau is enforcing the laws in the great white north




BoscoX -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 6:51:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Obama pardoned 1,715 felons during his tenure, more that any previous president. 273 federal inmates in one day. You or Vincent didn't seem to have a problem with that.


Why Did Obama Free This Terrorist?

Oscar Lopez was one of the most violent extremists of his time. The fact that Obama commuted his sentence doesn’t speak well of U.S. politics.


On January 17, 2017, as one of the final acts of his presidency, Barack Obama commuted the sentence of 74-year-old Oscar Lopez Rivera, the Puerto Rican nationalist who had served 35 years of a 55-year conviction for the crime of “seditious conspiracy,” as well as attempted robbery, explosives and vehicle-theft charges. Thanks to Obama’s intercession, Lopez will be freed in May.

In some quarters, Obama’s decision was greeted with elation. Spontaneous celebrations broke out in San Juan. Luis Gutiérrez, a Democratic congressman from Illinois who represents the West Side Chicago neighborhood in which Lopez grew up, said in a statement that he was “overjoyed and overwhelmed” by Lopez’s release. “Oscar is a friend, a mentor, and family to me,” wrote Gutierrez. According to the New York Daily News, Melissa Mark-Viverito, the speaker of the New York City Council and a rising Democratic Party star, cried when she heard the news, calling Lopez’s release “incredible” and a “morale boost” for Puerto Rico. Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who lobbied hard for Lopez’s commutation, and New York Mayor Bill de Blasio both offered Obama their thanks. And Lin Manuel Miranda, who has been a vocal proponent for Lopez, tweeted that he was “sobbing with gratitude.” (He furthermore added that he would reprise his role in “Hamilton” for one night in Chicago in Lopez’s honor.)


Lopez’s supporters refer to him as a “political prisoner” or “independence activist,” and characterize him as a man unfairly and harshly targeted by the U.S. government for his beliefs. He has even been called “Puerto Rico’s Nelson Mandela.”

The truth, alas, is considerably darker than that.

Most Americans may not have heard of Lopez, or the organization he helped lead, the Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional (FALN), a radical Marxist Puerto Rican independence group. With the focus of post-9/11 terrorism falling almost exclusively on Islamist radicals, the violent nationalists of yesteryear—Puerto Rican, Cuban, Croatian and Jewish—have faded into obscurity. But during the FALN’s explosive heyday under Lopez’s leadership, the group was anything but obscure. In fact, from 1974, when the group announced itself with its first bombings, to 1983, when arrests finally destroyed its membership base, the FALN was the most organized, active, well-trained and deadly domestic terror group based in the United States.

The FALN was responsible for over 130 bombings during this period, including the January 1975 explosion in Manhattan’s historic Fraunces Tavern, which killed four and wounded 63. In October of that year, it set off, all within the span of an hour, 10 bombs in three cities, causing nearly a million dollars in damage. In August 1977, the FALN set off a series of bombs in Manhattan, forcing 100,000 workers to evacuate their offices; one person was killed, and six were injured. In 1979, the group even threatened to blow up the Indian Point nuclear energy facility located north of New York City. It later sent a communiqué warning the U.S. to “remember … that you have never experienced war on your vitals and that you have many nuclear reactors.” In 1980, FALN members stormed the Carter-Mondale election headquarters in Chicago, and the George H.W. Bush campaign headquarters in New York, holding employees there hostage at gunpoint. In 1981, they plotted to kidnap President Reagan’s son Ron. Plainly, the group was deadly serious about its objectives—a free, independent and socialist Puerto Rico—and zealous in its pursuit of them.

According to court documents, thoughout this time, Lopez, a Vietnam War veteran, was part of FALN’s “Central Command”—a member of the “triumvirate” that led the organization. In 1976, Lopez became a fugitive when federal investigators discovered a “bomb factory” in an apartment he had rented in Chicago. He would evade arrest for the next five years, actively planning robberies and training FALN members. According to the summary of the testimony of Alfredo Mendez, an FALN member who later became a government witness, Lopez even gave new members bomb-making lessons.

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bostonpolarbear -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 6:57:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He violated constitutional rights, he is a racist pig, and trump is giving him a pass...
who is surprised,



His crime was enforcing the laws that Obama refused to enforce....



When did violating constitutional rights become "the law".

Pardons are for mercy or for those who were treated unfairly by the law. Arpaio was a sheriff, whose duty was to follow the law, who *unfairly treated" others by using "the law" illegally.

. . .





BoscoX -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:03:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bostonpolarbear


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He violated constitutional rights, he is a racist pig, and trump is giving him a pass...
who is surprised,



His crime was enforcing the laws that Obama refused to enforce....



When did violating constitutional rights become "the law".

Pardons are for mercy or for those who were treated unfairly by the law. Arpaio was a sheriff, whose duty was to follow the law, who *unfairly treated" others by using "the law" illegally.

. . .




Another difference between conservatives and "liberals" - Obama freed terrorists, while Arpaio patrolled the border doing Obama's job of keeping potential terrorists and other criminals out




Nnanji -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:08:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

In my opinion he was a great sheriff and deserved a pardon. Right on Mr. President.

Agreed. His crime was having his Deputies ask obvious illigals if they were illigal. Now that's obviously going to ruin all of our rights in this country.




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:29:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: bostonpolarbear


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He violated constitutional rights, he is a racist pig, and trump is giving him a pass...
who is surprised,



His crime was enforcing the laws that Obama refused to enforce....



When did violating constitutional rights become "the law".

Pardons are for mercy or for those who were treated unfairly by the law. Arpaio was a sheriff, whose duty was to follow the law, who *unfairly treated" others by using "the law" illegally.

. . .




Another difference between conservatives and "liberals" - Obama freed terrorists, while Arpaio patrolled the border doing Obama's job of keeping potential terrorists and other criminals out

sorry , He violated constitutional rights,
and he is a racist pig




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:30:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Obama pardoned 1,715 felons during his tenure, more that any previous president. 273 federal inmates in one day. You or Vincent didn't seem to have a problem with that.

He didnt pardon his friend and co conspirator racist pig




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:32:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

In my opinion he was a great sheriff and deserved a pardon. Right on Mr. President.

Agreed. His crime was having his Deputies ask obvious illigals if they were illigal. Now that's obviously going to ruin all of our rights in this country.

racism and violating constitutional rights,




Nnanji -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:36:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Obama pardoned 1,715 felons during his tenure, more that any previous president. 273 federal inmates in one day. You or Vincent didn't seem to have a problem with that.

He didnt pardon his friend and co conspirator racist pig

Ya, the left hated Arpio. Obviously anyone the left hates is a racist pig...we all know that, it goes without saying. It's the first cartoon fantasy any leftist reaches for when they have no real argument besides hate. Go figure that's exactly what you're doing here.

We've seen that sort of argument so many times it has just become funny now. It is also, pretty much, whyTrump is in the Whitehouse. So, I for one am glad all of the hater leftists haven't learned "that" silly argument just doesn't fly anymore.




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:38:21 AM)

arpaio, was voted out, he was found guilty of violating constitutional rights, his racism is why leftist dont like him, and why you support him.




Nnanji -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:40:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

arpaio, was voted out, he was found guilty of violating constitutional rights, his racism is why leftist dont like him, and why you support him.

Oh ya baby, keep it up. I really really need the left to irrationally fixate all of their hate on identity politics.




Real0ne -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:40:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

In my opinion he was a great sheriff and deserved a pardon. Right on Mr. President.

Agreed. His crime was having his Deputies ask obvious illigals if they were illigal. Now that's obviously going to ruin all of our rights in this country.

racism and violating constitutional rights,



but profiling is perfectly legal and even supported by states supreme courts for drug busts and other crime why not immigration?

probable suspicion is the new measuring stick accepted in violation of the constitution so whats with the double standard?




Real0ne -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:45:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not surprised. Disappointed.

Have your last hurrah, alt-right. All you're doing is waking the sleeping.

And once they're up, you're done.



then so is the constitution




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 7:45:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

arpaio, was voted out, he was found guilty of violating constitutional rights, his racism is why leftist dont like him, and why you support him.

Oh ya baby, keep it up. I really really need the left to irrationally fixate all of their hate on identity politics.

oooooh identity politics, coming from you, snicker. good one
can you deflect more?




Nnanji -> RE: Trump pardoning Arpaio (8/26/2017 8:05:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bostonpolarbear


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

He violated constitutional rights, he is a racist pig, and trump is giving him a pass...
who is surprised,



His crime was enforcing the laws that Obama refused to enforce....



When did violating constitutional rights become "the law".

Pardons are for mercy or for those who were treated unfairly by the law. Arpaio was a sheriff, whose duty was to follow the law, who *unfairly treated" others by using "the law" illegally.

. . .



Arpaio didn't violate anyone's constitution rights. He violated the far left's sense of hate. In your world when a Deputy Sheriff pulls over a Latino who can't speak English and has no drivers license he should let that guy go or it's racist hate. It's not in mine.




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