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RE: Image of a slave - 9/20/2006 11:46:44 AM

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In my opinion it tsakes a stronger than average person to put someone elses needs before their own in such a self controlled way.
For those that think being a slave is a weak trait I'd say try it under a real Master before you go spouting off about things you know not.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/20/2006 12:02:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

I just have to rant a bit. I have seen more than once this week in forum comments that a slave is weak. Most of these comments have been from newbies that maybe don't understand. I am a slave and have many friends that are slaves. None of us are cowering, weak people that just shake in the corner. Everyone has a different definition of a slave , so I won't go there. A slave lives for her Masters pleasure and will. She/he must anticipate all his/her needs. Simply this a slave has a different need a desire.

How many think slaves are weak willed individuals and why do you think that way?

It is also, by what many see that often causes them to think in certain ways.

There ARE slaves out there who ARE weak and scatter brained and NEED someone to tell them how to live and organize their thoughts, etc. They can't function without some form of micro management, as people, so slavery suits them in this area.

People are just people, we either dominate, submit or enjoy a bit of both. The image we see, we interpret by what our own desires crave and what we long or wish for.

For the most part, i see slaves as strong willed people who know what they want and take appropriate action to go find it.

When talking about total surrender (not part time submission or part time service or part time anything -lol), it is a battle for some folks. There are folks who worked long and hard on themselves for many a year to find out who they are and own their thoughts and feelings. After all that hard work, it is a battle that will naturally ensue within themselves and a struggle to surrender. That is what happens before a complete surrender, the struggle, the wrestling to let go and give up that which one has worked hard to gain and own. Then there comes a time when there is nothing left to do, but surrender. i fail to see in this type of individual where they are weak. It is for me quite the opposite view. Just adding a thought. *smile

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/20/2006 12:44:08 PM

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Others perception of the slaves strength or weakness is insignificant, the toughest battle we face in all of life...is the battle for self, and its un-winnable, we are ever evolving altering and changing.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/20/2006 12:54:28 PM

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I certainly agree that the perceptions of others judging another person's strengths and weaknesses is not that important, for who only can truly judge our own.
All of the perceptions we have about ourselves and others is our own unique perspective.
Yes, we need to address the perceptions of those we seek as partners, and they need to address ours, if we have goals of forming relationships.
As usual, your mileage may vary! vield

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/22/2006 3:58:35 PM

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It is my belief that a slave is a strong individual possessing several skills. She is confident enough to be able to give her strength and talents to him and take pride in doing so. She has no need to prove herself otherwise.

I too am a strong person. I work in the engineering management and run social organizations. I am independent and intelligent. However, in my devotion to the one I serve I bow to him and give him all the traits that I have. I utilize my skills for him and I humble myself to him. For if I have not those things to offer him, then what good am I to him?

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/23/2006 3:15:14 AM

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Ha!
Sillyheads.
To me, a slave is someone who is happier reliquishing their will, but they indeed have it. In fact, they have amazing strength of character and willpower to go against (usually) everything they've been taught and give up themselves to another completely.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/23/2006 8:28:26 AM

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this girl was a fighting slave for many years. she is now a pleasure slave, but she is also the bodyguard of her chief and her bands premier warrior.
her sisters and most of her friends acted surprised to find that she is the property of her Master, but this girl explained that it is her submission to her Master that enables her to be the muscle for her tribe.
as for mental strength, she has a quick wit and firm convictions that she will defend, no matter who she may offend, she is in college and has a 3.65 g.p.a., and she is a shaman and has many people who come to her for advice in many different situations.
this girl submits to her Master, ML, and whoever He determines she should submit to and no one else.
if S/someone, without her Master's permission, attempts to force this girl into anything, T/they would find out quickly just how strong this slave really is.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/23/2006 8:54:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Slaves are just like everyone else- some are strong, some are weak.

I agree with this. Just because someone identifies as being a slave in their interpersonal relationships does not automatically assign a particular set of character strengths and virtues or even lack thereof to them.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/23/2006 9:50:03 AM

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Thank you sweetnurseBBW for an interesting thread.

I agree with LadyHugs that many come to this lifestyle under the "sex sells" mentality of the porno industry. Most fictional slaves are nothing more than brainless sex toys. Many people are escapist and the idea that someone will take away all their worries and all they have to do is act like a slut in return...now that's a great deal..right!

Being a slave means many things to many different people. In my house and I repeat my house, slaves are not weak, mindless sluts. I have no use for that type of "slave". I require slaves that can think, analyze and implement the rules of my house to conduct themselves in a manner that is not only pleasing to me, but upholds the standards of my house. A person that does not know himself or that is undisciplined, will not last in my house. One of the biggest thrills I get is to watch the internal battle play out on a little ones face as I put them through a challenge. The struggle between society, their own morals and what they know I expect of them. If I did not see that internal struggle, I would be concerned. I don't enslave people, them enslave themselves to me. While some mindless person might enjoy the role play of slavery, they will quickly grow tired of it and after about 2-3 weeks they are done. For those that desire slavery in their soul, all I need to do is challenge them and they will rise to their own enslavement.

Just as a dominant must know and understand himself before they can control others. A slave must know and embrace himself before they can submit. It takes a strong person to embrace slavery within himself. In traditional or historical slavery, a weak person might have thrived, but in a world of consensual slavery, all I can do is create a world in which the slave can enslave himself. It's a mental slavery, not a physical slavery. To mentally bind yourself to another is not the act of a weak individual.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/23/2006 8:02:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressMelissa

Thank you sweetnurseBBW for an interesting thread.

I agree with LadyHugs that many come to this lifestyle under the "sex sells" mentality of the porno industry. Most fictional slaves are nothing more than brainless sex toys. Many people are escapist and the idea that someone will take away all their worries and all they have to do is act like a slut in return...now that's a great deal..right!

Being a slave means many things to many different people. In my house and I repeat my house, slaves are not weak, mindless sluts. I have no use for that type of "slave". I require slaves that can think, analyze and implement the rules of my house to conduct themselves in a manner that is not only pleasing to me, but upholds the standards of my house. A person that does not know himself or that is undisciplined, will not last in my house. One of the biggest thrills I get is to watch the internal battle play out on a little ones face as I put them through a challenge. The struggle between society, their own morals and what they know I expect of them. If I did not see that internal struggle, I would be concerned. I don't enslave people, them enslave themselves to me. While some mindless person might enjoy the role play of slavery, they will quickly grow tired of it and after about 2-3 weeks they are done. For those that desire slavery in their soul, all I need to do is challenge them and they will rise to their own enslavement.

Just as a dominant must know and understand himself before they can control others. A slave must know and embrace himself before they can submit. It takes a strong person to embrace slavery within himself. In traditional or historical slavery, a weak person might have thrived, but in a world of consensual slavery, all I can do is create a world in which the slave can enslave himself. It's a mental slavery, not a physical slavery. To mentally bind yourself to another is not the act of a weak individual.

this slave agrees with what was said

very well stated Ma'am

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/24/2006 7:41:08 AM

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it seems to me that it takes a strong willed person to admit they are a slave, and give control to another, and i dont mean sexually. for the slave to give up control, consensually probably takes a heck of a lot of guts, as i can imagine in some cultures, for example, sociologcal norms could prevent some from dealing with their true feelings, so i believe that a slave has to be strong to give control to another individual

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/24/2006 1:37:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: raiken

There ARE slaves out there who ARE weak and scatter brained and NEED someone to tell them how to live and organize their thoughts, etc. They can't function without some form of micro management, as people, so slavery suits them in this area.

i agree with this, people ARE people and why shouldn't someone who needs micro-managment not find their suitable Micro-Manager? Hopefully there is a lid for every pot, so to speak.
i was told many years ago that said "be careful not to choose a Master who is too heavy because you will, at times, be expected to carry Him" And i don't think that means Masters are weak but i believe at times the slave must "carry" Him if she is to really serve Him well and that would take someone who is strong. On the other hand, i have seen many who could be considered "weak" garner a lot of attention so who am i to say what is right for others? i only know what is right for me.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/24/2006 4:36:30 PM

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Hello sweetnurse,

I think our society in general has long regarded 'givers' as weak and 'takers' (especially loud and demanding ones) as strong. It is just a matter of identifying the obvious. A large stick would certainly seem to be stronger than a thin, supple one, but it is a lot harder to get the supple stick to break than the more brittle, firm one.

There are my kinds of strengths, and I will agree that many mistake the need and desire to please and willingness to sublimate as weakness and/or incapability. Sometimes that is true, but often it is not.

Interestingly enough, I have also found that many can find kindness to indicate a lack of sharp intellectual acuity. It is a strange thing how often, the softer sides of people can be mistaken for lack of various kinds of strengths or abilities.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/24/2006 6:03:18 PM

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I completely disagree with that idea actually. Think about it, to be a slave, one must inwardly be extremely strong. You must maintain a certain mindframe, always be respectful, honest, humble. But is that ALWAYS easy? HELL no. What about when as a slave, you become angered? Or believe something your Master/Mistress is doing is unfair, or hurtful. You are not allowed to shout out your disapproval, or show that you are angered. Everything said must be in a manner respectful and still honoring your Master/Mistress. To be able to do that, one must have a strong will and a lot of control. That does not look like weakness to me.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/24/2006 10:50:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

I just have to rant a bit. I have seen more than once this week in forum comments that a slave is weak. Most of these comments have been from newbies that maybe don't understand. I am a slave and have many friends that are slaves. None of us are cowering, weak people that just shake in the corner. Everyone has a different definition of a slave , so I won't go there. A slave lives for her Masters pleasure and will. She/he must anticipate all his/her needs. Simply this a slave has a different need a desire.

How many think slaves are weak willed individuals and why do you think that way?

my Master maintains that it takes a strong person to submit. As for me, i don't think i am weak willed, neccessarily. i just like to please, love to sumbit. i feel i am weak where He is concerned, because loving Him is my real weakness in life.

More to the point. i can be VERY strong-willed when i want to eb.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/27/2006 6:22:15 PM

DWolf1006

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To serve, to bend onself to another's will is a supreme act of courage. How can someone willing to do that be weak? Fearful perhaps. Shy definitely...but weak? No. I have never found that to be the case, in my experience.

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/27/2006 6:52:21 PM

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what does sexual preference have to do with persona?

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RE: Image of a slave - 9/28/2006 6:34:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

I just have to rant a bit. I have seen more than once this week in forum comments that a slave is weak. Most of these comments have been from newbies that maybe don't understand. I am a slave and have many friends that are slaves. None of us are cowering, weak people that just shake in the corner. Everyone has a different definition of a slave , so I won't go there. A slave lives for her Masters pleasure and will. She/he must anticipate all his/her needs. Simply this a slave has a different need a desire.

How many think slaves are weak willed individuals and why do you think that way?

Read the thread maybe you can follow.

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RE: Image of a slave - 10/2/2006 11:24:36 AM

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Hey to call a slave weak in general to me is wrong . I mean come on ppl that is the biggest decision most ppl can ever make , I mean to give of ones self is a truly selfless act and not a lite one.

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RE: Image of a slave - 10/2/2006 11:50:43 AM

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i would go so far as to say a slave is the stronger of the two half it is their gift the gives us our power

You are awesome

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