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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/26/2006 8:24:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ahhh, I see what you mean. So it is money lol. Horrible reasoning on their part, if you ask me, Lam, but maybe one day things will change. However, I will not be holding my breath....

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/26/2006 8:27:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Horrible reasoning?  You know what these bowls pay?

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/26/2006 8:52:42 PM   
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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/27/2006 2:34:13 AM   
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Horrible reasoning?  You know what these bowls pay?


Yeah, but the bowls would still be there in a playoff system; in fact, they'd probably make more money because they would be more important.
 



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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/27/2006 4:19:19 AM   
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South Florida 24, West Virginia 19.

This morning, Kirk Herbstreit on ESPN said he thought West Virginia was a better team than LSU.  I guess he's going to have to revise that assessment.


Oh come on. It's not like the under dog has never won a match before. Anything can happen in a game. One win is not going to mean that LSU is better. WV still had the advantage, they just didn't come through.  

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/27/2006 8:26:18 AM   
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Yeah, but the bowls would still be there in a playoff system; in fact, they'd probably make more money because they would be more important.

I doubt it. First, the way things are now the bowl game is the last hurrah for a team at the end of a season, so that means fans are going to be sure to either go there or tune in. A playoff eliminates that importance, and would therefore dilute the revenue stream.

I think the best argument against a playoff happened last week at the Michigan-Ohio State game. The build-up to that was incredible and folks from around the country tuned in for it because it MATTERED -- Winner to the national championship and loser someplace else. That wouldn't be the case with a play-off.

Another good argument against it financially can be seen with the ACC championship game -- they still have about 20,000 tickets available. The folks in Jacksonville really don't care, and fans of the teams are saving their money for the bowl game. So about all it does is add some incremental tv revenues to the conference coffers because folks like me will tune in if there is nothing else on tv that day.

In my opinion, a play-off for college football risks turning the season into college basketball where nobody tunes in until March.


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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/27/2006 9:54:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		You really think West Virginia is a better team than LSU?  I didn't think that BEFORE they lost to South Florida.

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South Florida 24, West Virginia 19.

This morning, Kirk Herbstreit on ESPN said he thought West Virginia was a better team than LSU.  I guess he's going to have to revise that assessment.


Oh come on. It's not like the under dog has never won a match before. Anything can happen in a game. One win is not going to mean that LSU is better. WV still had the advantage, they just didn't come through.  

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/27/2006 2:31:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Big East lost one of their foot shooters today -- the Cincinatti coach got poached by Michigan State. Too bad for Rutgers it didn't happen before this season.

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/27/2006 3:01:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem with a lot of these schools is that they hire the latest flash in the pan without looking into the harder questions of how well the person meshes with the program, how long he has sustained his success, under what circumstances, and so on.  Florida got lucky with Urban Meyer because he seems to be one of the few coaches who can win anywhere, but lots of places get upset with their new coach just a year or two after they hired him, and usually it's because they didn't do their homework to find out exactly whom they were getting.

Just look at Nebraska.  First they got rid of Frank Solich for turning in too many 9-3 seasons; then they went and hired Bill Callahan--and wanted to run his ass out of town right after his first year because he stopped running the wishbone offense.  Really, was it a big surprise that Bill Callahan wasn't going to run the wishbone?  They've piped down about Callahan because he has the Huskers in the Big 12 title game this year, but I guarantee they're going to call for his job again next year if Nebraska doesn't repeat as Big 12 North champions.

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/27/2006 6:01:43 PM   
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South Florida 24, West Virginia 19.

This morning, Kirk Herbstreit on ESPN said he thought West Virginia was a better team than LSU.  I guess he's going to have to revise that assessment.


Ya know Lam...you're just way the hell too caught up in this sports shit.

Here's the facts...the Seahawks are going to win the penant this year, they'll do it in fewer than 7 games....and I'll tell you what...you can bank on that shit.

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/27/2006 6:37:46 PM   
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Yeah, but the bowls would still be there in a playoff system; in fact, they'd probably make more money because they would be more important.

I doubt it. First, the way things are now the bowl game is the last hurrah for a team at the end of a season, so that means fans are going to be sure to either go there or tune in. A playoff eliminates that importance, and would therefore dilute the revenue stream.

I still have got to disagree. You have 3 major bowls (Orange, Fiesta, and Rose)-- one of them will host the title game, two are guaranteed end-of-the-road for the 4 teams. Use the 3 bowls in a playoff, and all 3 will be more important for the simple fact that they directly determine the national champs.

I think the best argument against a playoff happened last week at the Michigan-Ohio State game. The build-up to that was incredible and folks from around the country tuned in for it because it MATTERED -- Winner to the national championship and loser someplace else. That wouldn't be the case with a play-off.

It would still matter, because it helps decide who plays for all the marbles. A win keeps you in the hunt, a loss puts you behind.

Another good argument against it financially can be seen with the ACC championship game -- they still have about 20,000 tickets available. The folks in Jacksonville really don't care, and fans of the teams are saving their money for the bowl game. So about all it does is add some incremental tv revenues to the conference coffers because folks like me will tune in if there is nothing else on tv that day.

A playoff occuring in the Rose Bowl or Orange Bowl will sell like hotcakes.

In my opinion, a play-off for college football risks turning the season into college basketball where nobody tunes in until March.

I don't think it would, if for no other reason than there are so many fewer games.
 
Ohio St against Florida in the Rose Bowl.
 
Michigan against USC in the Orange Bowl.
 
Winners square off a week later in the Fiesta Bowl. Champion is decided on the field.




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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/28/2006 7:04:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		South Florida is in Tampa, which I always thought was west Florida. I think West Virginia will beat Rutgers & Louisville will be the Big East BCS rep. All will be right with the world then.

ps....Michigan had their chance, sux to be them.

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/28/2006 9:50:29 AM   
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and it just dawned on me... it might be wise to know what i'm agree'ing too.  Cloud - you around?  What the hell does all their mumbo jumbo mean?  Something about football, bowls, and computers.  (strange people if you ask me)

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/28/2006 4:36:11 PM   
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HOUSTON (AP) - Rice will make its first bowl appearance since 1961 after accepting a bid Tuesday to play in the New Orleans Bowl. 
The Owls, representing Conference USA, will play the Sun Belt Conference champion Dec. 22 at the Superdome in the first bowl game there since Hurricane Katrina. Troy will be Rice's opponent if it beats Florida International this week. A loss would give Middle Tennessee the berth.

Rice (7-5, 6-2 C-USA) made a stunning turnaround from last year's 1-10 season, winning seven of its last eight games after an 0-4 start.

The Owls lost to Kansas in the 1961 Bluebonnet Bowl.

The New Orleans Bowl, sponsored by R+L Carriers, was played in Lafayette, La., last season after Katrina swamped the city around the start of football season.

The Sugar Bowl, set for Jan. 3, also will return to the Superdome for the first time since Katrina.

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/28/2006 4:49:14 PM   
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At Florida State
At UCLA
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... I think this was a season to be proud of.

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/28/2006 4:51:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		It absolutely is, caitlyn, and I think the future will show that it wasn't a one-season wonder.
 
I'll be pulling mightly for the Owls come game time.

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 11/28/2006 7:11:57 PM   
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... I think this was a season to be proud of.

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 12/7/2006 9:38:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like the Big Least is gonna lose another foot shooter -- Alabama has offered WVU's coach Rodriguez $2 million/year to come down to Tuscaloosa and see if he can beat Auburn. I bet he signs the contract on Friday.

I suspect the Big Least just doesn't have the revenues from tv contracts, merchandising, and fans attending games to compete if the big conference teams want to poach more coaches.

thUg U tried to lure Schiano away from Rutgers too, but he isn't intrested . . . at least in going back to thUg U. Rumor is he will wait and see if he can eventually take over at Penn State after JoePa steps down in another 10 or 20 years; I read that tonight Schiano got a coach of the year award, and said the two biggest influences on him were his high school coach and Paterno when he worked for him for 6 years, so he's already greasing the wheel. My guess is JoePa will likely pick his successor from his staff, and then Schiano will follow after insane fans drive out the first guy who tries following the legend.


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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 12/7/2006 11:10:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I secretly think/hope that Schiano's goal is to win a national championship at Rutgers.  How would you top THAT?  He has a ways to go, of course, but I'd say they're more than halfway there.  I mean, they're already better than Penn State.  And Rutgers used to be a really really really crappy team.  It's like watching the Bad News Bears win the Little League World Series.

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thUg U tried to lure Schiano away from Rutgers too, but he isn't intrested . . . at least in going back to thUg U. Rumor is he will wait and see if he can eventually take over at Penn State after JoePa steps down in another 10 or 20 years; I read that tonight Schiano got a coach of the year award, and said the two biggest influences on him were his high school coach and Paterno when he worked for him for 6 years, so he's already greasing the wheel. My guess is JoePa will likely pick his successor from his staff, and then Schiano will follow after insane fans drive out the first guy who tries following the legend.

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RE: The Big East keeps shooting itself in the foot - 12/8/2006 7:29:37 AM   
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I mean, they're already better than Penn State.

They've improved a lot, but let's not get carried away. Going 10-2 in the Big Least is a real accomplishment for them, but that doesn't make them better than a Penn State going 8-4. The only way to know for sure is for them to play, and that ain't happening.

One thing Rutgers has going for them is they have the best scoring defense in their conference at 14.7 points per game;  that puts them just ahead of Penn State at 14.8 points per game, but it is still behind 3 other Big Ten teams. The defenses (or lack thereof) in the Big Least help make the offenses look good; although Penn State's offense hasn't been firing on all cylinders, it looks even worse when going against top defenses like Ohio State's and Michigan's, and that is the kind of test we just won't get to see for Rutgers.

Fact is that Rutgers is doing well using the local players that are left over after Penn State, ND and some others have taken their picks, and they also get players from Florida that the top schools there don't want. They're still pretty good, but no way could they win a Big Ten championship like Penn State did last year. In the bowl game Rutgers could very well beat a K State team that beat Texas . . . but also lost to Baylor; I doubt they would be as competitive as Penn State will be against Tennessee.


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