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And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 7:20:53 PM   
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By JULIA SILVERMAN, Associated Press WriterWed Apr 25, 3:27 AM ET
 
If Gov. Ted Kulongoski seems a little sluggish this week, he's got an excuse: he couldn't afford coffee.

In fact, the Democratic governor couldn't afford much of anything during a trip to a Salem-area grocery store on Tuesday, where he had exactly $21 to buy a week's worth of food — the same amount that the state's average food stamp recipient spends weekly on groceries.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070425/ap_on_re_us/a_week_on_food_stamps



Food Prep May Be as Important as Ingredients Themselves
Tue Apr 24, 11:46 PM ET
 
TUESDAY, April 24 (HealthDay News) -- The methods used to produce or cook food may have as much impact on your health as the actual food, U.S. researchers report.


Grilled, fried or broiled animal products such as meats and cheeses contain a class of toxins called "advanced glycation end products" (AGEs), which have been linked to inflammation, insulin resistance, diabetes, vascular and kidney disease, and Alzheimer's disease, say a team from the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York City.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20070425/hl_hsn/foodprepmaybeasimportantasingredientsthemselves




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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 7:27:25 PM   
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Why did the Governor of Oregon agree to the shopping test?  Was it his point to show how minimal it was?

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 7:38:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I beleive so, minnetar; he was showing how hard it can be to shop on a limited budget. I'd like to see all of congress have to do the same thing, but for 6 months.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 7:48:35 PM   
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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:18:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I found that weekly average food stamp allowance alarmingly low. SO I went to the Oregon Dept of Human Services website. The most recent stats were from 2004, in which the Departments figures are a bit different than the Governors numbers:

"In January 2004, about 417,000 Oregonians in 210,000 households received Food Stamps each month. The average monthly benefit was about $160 per household. The federal government pays the cost of benefits, about $34 million a month, and divides the cost of administering the program with the state."

http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/assistance/foodstamps/foodstamps.shtml

In 2007, I suspect that average has risen. Also note that 417,000 people recieve food stamps, but only 210,000 households recive food stamps. That averages to two point something recipients per houshold, which increases the household benefit to $ 320. I'm not saying 320/month is great, but it is a far cry from 84/month. And I am not being a smart ass here, but the Governor article says the average person " spends", it does not say that is what they recieve.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:27:04 PM   
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average monthly benefit was about $160 per household


Might it depend on the number of people in the household?

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:30:50 PM   
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Also note that 417,000 people recieve food stamps, but only 210,000 households recive food stamps. That averages to two point something recipients per houshold, which increases the household benefit to $ 320.


I'm no math whiz, but I think you multiplied when you should have divided.

If the average household benefit is $160, and there are two persons in an average household, the average benefit per person would be $80. That would come to $20 a week, which is about what the governor is spending.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:32:17 PM   
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average monthly benefit was about $160 per household


Might it depend on the number of people in the household?


I edited my post. I will C&P here for you:

Also note that 417,000 people recieve food stamps, but only 210,000 households recive food stamps. That averages to two point something recipients per houshold, which increases the household benefit to $ 320. I'm not saying 320/month is great, but it is a far cry from 84/month.

My point is that this Governor is giving skewed numbers. Why? I have no idea. But his own Dept Of Health and Human Services is in conflict with what he is proclaiming.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:35:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the key thing is that $160 is the benefit per household, not person. So if there are two people in the household, the benefit per person is $80.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:37:39 PM   
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average monthly benefit was about $160 per household


Might it depend on the number of people in the household?



       Does that number include the WIC vouchers that take care of milk, cheese, eggs, bread, peanut butter, and breakfast cereal?  Did he go to a food bank first and then only use the stamps for what couldn't be had after those?

      I've lived on less.  You want rib-eye?  Get a job.

    

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:40:58 PM   
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Also note that 417,000 people recieve food stamps, but only 210,000 households recive food stamps. That averages to two point something recipients per houshold, which increases the household benefit to $ 320.


I'm no math whiz, but I think you multiplied when you should have divided.

If the average household benefit is $160, and there are two persons in an average household, the average benefit per person would be $80. That would come to $20 a week, which is about what the governor is spending.



I just re read the DHS ... you are correct. I misinterpretted household vs people

I retract my previous posts.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:42:18 PM   
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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:44:35 PM   
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Get a job.


I admit I don't have a source handy, but I've read that there are people on food stamps who do have jobs. Wal-Mart reportedly helps employees apply for food stamps.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:51:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		The governor needs to find a job that pays him under the table.  I know that many people on public aid work under the table, that is how they survive on that income.  I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but many of them supplement their incomes in various ways, some of which are illegal.




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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:55:30 PM   
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average monthly benefit was about $160 per household


Might it depend on the number of people in the household?



      Does that number include the WIC vouchers that take care of milk, cheese, eggs, bread, peanut butter, and breakfast cereal?  Did he go to a food bank first and then only use the stamps for what couldn't be had after those?

     I've lived on less.  You want rib-eye?  Get a job.

   


You do realize that in order to develop a normal intellectual capacity one needs nourishment. Most of the people on food stamps are not old enough for work permits.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 8:59:17 PM   
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Does that number include the WIC vouchers that take care of milk, cheese, eggs, bread, peanut butter, and breakfast cereal? 


If I'm not mistaken the only people that are eligible for the WIC program are pregnant or breastfeeding women and children under the age of 5.

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   I've lived on less.  You want rib-eye?  Get a job.


Try to remember that not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to do that. I don't think that any of them are out buying rib-eye on just over $20 a week. I don't know about you but I'd much rather have my tax dollars pay for proper nutrition then pay the health care costs later for the lack of it. Cereal and fruit are much cheaper than extended hospital stays.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 9:02:34 PM   
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Get a job.


I admit I don't have a source handy, but I've read that there are people on food stamps who do have jobs. Wal-Mart reportedly helps employees apply for food stamps.



      Wal-Mart again....   Why not use the military members with dependants in Hawaii who are eligible?  I recieved them briefly (in Oregon no less) as a college student working less than 25 hours a week (I think that was the criterion.  It's been a while).  $111 a month and I was eating very well.  I even found a butcher shop that took them and sold variety packs.

      As an augment, they are great.  If it's all you have, beans and rice are still cheap even if corn is getting spendy.  I repeat;  You want rib-eye?  Get a job.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 9:04:53 PM   
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Wal-Mart again....


In 4,676 posts, I believe that was my first mention of Wal-Mart, actually.

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Why not use the military members with dependants in Hawaii who are eligible?


I didn't know about them. So much for supporting our troops.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 9:04:55 PM   
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Try to remember that not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to do that. I don't think that any of them are out buying rib-eye on just over $20 a week. I don't know about you but I'd much rather have my tax dollars pay for proper nutrition then pay the health care costs later for the lack of it. Cereal and fruit are much cheaper than extended hospital stays.


very compassionate and very true, and like I pointed out, kids that live in poverty have no choice in the matter.

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RE: And now.... the news. - 4/25/2007 9:14:05 PM   
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   I've lived on less. 


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  I recieved them briefly (in Oregon no less) as a college student working less than 25 hours a week (I think that was the criterion.  It's been a while).  $111 a month and I was eating very well.


You've lived on less? Not based upon the example given. You received $111 a month....back when you were in college (what was that, like 20 years ago?). These folks are receiving about $80 a month and trying to make it through at TODAY'S cost of living.

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