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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 2:14:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Erin, I can't believe your doctor prescribed zoloft for surgery recovery.
We had similar surgies last year and pre-surgery, when I didn't know what I was facing, I was an anxious mess and my family doc offered me some anti-anxiety meds, I told him no thanks.  I didn't want to pop a pill, I wanted to face it.  So there seems to be a need to medicate, even among doctors whom I consider conservative in their approaches (otherwise, anyway). 


Katy I should clarify...the doctor in question was not really one of my choosing. He was a general practitioner assigned to me by the hospital. I never knew this but you have to have one doctor(besides your surgeon) who coordinates your care...I didn't have one so he was assigned. As I didn't have a family doc at the time I saw him for follow up (not of the surgery itself).

It was interesting to note that your doc also offered you some meds. Sometimes I think that medication is the first option they choose in health care today....and that is sad.

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 2:18:33 PM   
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Lack of excercise can cause depression too.


Great point. Our lives have become increasingly sedentary. Work is certainly not what it used to be. Children today spend most of their time in front of a tv, video game or computer. Gosh, I can remember when we were kids, we were almost never indoors on our free time.

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 2:25:31 PM   
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if there are symptoms of anxiety (as defined by the psychiatrists), then the person must be suffering from a social disorder - utter hipposhite, humans get anxious, it's in our make up to be happy, sad, anxious etc and to grieve when someone dies.

I would estimate there is not a monumental increase in mental illness.


Interesting. I have also noticed that as a whole we have become somewhat desensitized in many ways. I wonder if that is some survival instinct on our part and if maybe we have become afraid to "feel" and medicating away anything that resembles a feeling is becoming the standard.

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 2:27:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was in talking to my doctor about high cholestorol (thanks Mom and Dad) and she made the usual comments about diet and exercise.  Then she said...

"Of course, you are largely a vegetarian and you would laugh if I suggested you need to exercise more.  I suppose it is a genetic thing."

There are people who have a chemical imbalance in their brain which requires a medical solution.

On the other hand, a doctor faced with a person expressing that they are depressed has their 10 minute appointment to diagnose the problem.  As they say in 12 step programs (and probably elsewhere) "to a hammer, everything looks like a nail."  I suppose to somebody whose job it is to prescribe medications, everything looks like something that needs to be medicated.

I have had situations in my life where a doctor recommended that I be on anti-depressants.  The one that I find the most likely was when I moved out on my ex-wife and my job got offshored to India in the same month.  2 of the 3 major negative life changes in a 3 week period.  I looked at the doctor and said "Ya know, I think I have a reason to be depressed, and Im not sure a little pill will do anything to take care of the issues."

I feel what I feel until I am done feeling it.  Then I move on.

Sinergy

p.s.  I hope nobody reading this thinks I am opposed to a person taking medicines, because I am not.

p.p.s.  I was reading an article in Scientific American which talked about the science behind why THC in marijuana works for things like depression, ptsd, etc.


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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 2:29:45 PM   
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No wonder so many of us can't cope any more...


Is it due to what society has become....or is it that no one has showed us how to cope....or even told us and insisted that we have to?

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 2:38:57 PM   
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Sinergy's a carrot snapper!

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 2:44:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not entirely, popeye, but I understand your giddy orgasmic pleasure in thinking as much.

I eat lots of veggies and not so much meat for health reasons.  I have slaughtered my share of
living creatures to give my canine teeth a workout.  My favorite is rare barbecued prime rib,
bleeding on the plate and still mooing.

"Consider the pine tree, many parts are edible"  Euell Gibbons

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 2:51:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, ok, "mostly vegetarian."
False alarm.
I like steak, burgers, fish, and Prime Rib too much for that vegetarian stuff.
I'll eat a salad if it comes with the meal but I won't go looking for one.

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 8:19:06 PM   
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There is a profitable partnership between the pharmaceutical industry & our current erm.. leader.T


Note sometimes seen at my doctor's office

"No pharmaceutical reps today, our schedule is full."

I guess without those reps there would be people who wouldn't get the necessary medications, but you have to wonder who's in bed with whom.



Katy, I used to work for a doctor. We used to get at least 10 to 15 reps a day wanting to see him. Most days he would see maybe 5 of those. We scheduled 80 patients per day. Office hours were 9 to 5 and the office shut down 1 hour for lunch. So if the doc gave each of those 5 reps 10 minutes and he spent 2 minutes charting or dictating for each patient....that left each patient 3.25 minutes of face to face time with the doc.

In that 3.25 minutes he is going to diagnose your physical condition, diagnose your mental condition....and prescribe meds? And we wonder why so many people are getting misdiagnosed.....

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 8:26:18 PM   
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at one point supected whitches were burned at salemn.


Can't resist picking a nit: They were hanged, not burned.

< Message edited by dcnovice -- 5/8/2007 8:53:47 PM >

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 8:43:28 PM   
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I have a friend who ate a can of tuna everyday throughout her pregnancy....her son has Asperger syndrome...was it the mercury...who knows....but I do believe that what we put in our bodies does affect our health...chemicals being added to our enviorment and food that weren't present  years ago...I think eventually we will evolve a form of immunity to most of them...in the meantime...I do a herbal cleanse every 4-6 months...stay away from meat....and drink lots of fluids....
 
But what worries me most is something I read the other day...how there is no profit in a cure....only in sickness....

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 8:47:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ha....for years I have been saying that they will never find a cure for the common cold. Why? Because a multi billion dollar over the counter drug industry would go down the tubes. I think you are correct. I think that there are many things that we likely have the technology to find cures for....but it just wouldn't be profitable.

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 8:56:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do suspect that in the past a fair amount of silent suffering went untreated.

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 9:08:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good topic, erin !

Synergy kinda summed up my opinion on * most* mood disorders.
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"2 of the 3 major negative life changes in a 3 week period.  I looked at the doctor and said "Ya know, I think I have a reason to be depressed, and Im not sure a little pill will do anything to take care of the issues." "

How does a pill help anyone fix or correct their issues? Ok, I can see when someone is in a major depression needing an antidepressant to help them over the hump to allow their brain to clear up, so to speak, so they can begin the process of re learning coping strategies etc. But for the most part, a pill isn't going to fix it, it's work and it's unpleasant, but you need to be an active participant.
In my mid 30's I went thru some turmultous changes in my life and some circumstances that were out of my control which caused me huge anxiety. I suffered pretty bad from panic attacks, I would freeze up like a statue and shake and not be able to speak. They came from no where and I * thought * I was handling things OK, but knew there was somethng really wrong. Yes, I went to my MD for a psych referral and he prescribed my primamry care MD prescribed me Xanax to control the panic attacks. I began therapy and my biggest concern was to get to a point where I didn't have to take a pill and could parlay these attacks myself, I just didn't know how. I Doc shopped for a good shrink and found one, thank God. I fully commited to therapy and was off the Xanax within two months. Not because I was " cured" but I was learning how to cope with things before me and re learning how to deal with things. I spent every Thurday for two years in my therapists office and have never had to take Xanax for panic attacks again. I do take them to fly, but I have had a long standing fear of flying and medicated myself for a very long time to fly.

Here is the biggest lesson I walked away from therapy with. Some of my therapy was in a group setting and the others in my group felt the same way as I do/did:  Sometimes you just don't have the tools and resources to correct life's little pitfalls. Sometimes you didn't learn them growing up or you learned ineffective skills and just kept repeating them, each time you failed, but you used the same method, because it is what you knew. And you were always surprised when the same old situation arose and you handled it the same way and it failed again; So you dug in deeper and more intense. If you never learned a positive method for dealing with things, eventually it catches up with you and you fall apart. Kind of like putting your dirty clothes in the same closet every day for years and eventually the dirty clothes come crashing out on top of you.

I think people are too willing to take a pill and hope that their life will change. They don't want to take the personal responsibility it takes to commit to changing. It's uncomfortable and along the way, you have to face up to a lot of things that are unpleasant. And more importantly, there is no quick fix.  And Lord knows we want the immediate fix.

I know there are alot of psychological conditions that without medication there is no normalcy. I do not refer to those conditions.
As a society we have come to love labeling and putting ourselves in a neat little box with Pill X the cure. We are quickly becoming a society of self proclaimed victims.

                               mbmbn



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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 9:40:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a nurse I have spent more than half of my career working with people with psychiatric disorders and developmental disabilities.  The best doc I have ever worked with in these fields told a parent one time "You can't medicate a personality change."  She meant that some people are just more gloomy in their outlook towards life, others more bouncy and some very outspoken.  None of this is wrong but in today's world if someone is not having a superduper sunshine happy day people want to be offended.  And want that quick fix and don't want to really figure out what is at the root of their unhappiness.

In order to maximum profits many doctors in outpatient settings schedule far too many appointments in one day.  It is so much easier to do a quick exam and write a script than tell someone you may need to examine your lifestyle habits and your occupation and see if getting enough sleep, enough water and exercise and slowing down a little helps relieve that stress/anxiety/depression/fill in the blank. 

Americans are currently working more hours than ever before, multitasking far too much (which is not efficient in the long haul) and feeling like daring to ask for a reasonable work load or reasonable schedule is a sin.  Customer service with a smile is a lot easier if you had a chance to pee in the last 8 hours or take a break for 5 minutes.  No wonder people want to medicate away their emotional pain.  And no wonder doctors accomodate our wishes for a quick fix.  What we label mental illness is more like a society that is ill.

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 9:42:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was diagnosed with A.D.D when I was 11 years old. That was an unheard of diagnosis back in the day. They had one medication for A.D.D back then and my parents chose not to medicate me. I didn't have a hard time sitting still, I  just a hard time concentrating on things and at times I hyperfocused on other things. Through the years I  have learned how to do things differently because I learned differently. I  was an aide in the public school system in my state and I worked with the head start program. These children had afflictions that ranged from speech problems to severe autism. I won't ever forget one boy who was in that class. He was truly A.D.H.D. The poor child couldn't sit still. He was impulsive and disruptive. He knew he was doing things that he shouldn't be doing but  he literally couldn't stop himself from acting out. He was 4 years old. It was sad to see him get so angry and frustrated with himself. He was a child that needed medication. His parents finally got him on meds the LAST day of school. He was BEAMING that day. Medication works for the children who truly need it.  He wasn't lethargic or "drugged up" but he could sit like the other kids and he could control himself. He was a new child.  I think 99% of the A.D.D/A.D.H.D diagnosis that are happening these days are wrong. It is no surprise to me that the majority of the children that were diagnosed with A.D.D./A.D.H.D (in the schools where I was an aide) were boys.  Boys need more physical outlets than girls do. They need to run, jump and climb and act like BOYS! Many of the school systems have reduced the kiddos P.E and recess time due to the state mandated testing that the teachers have to "teach" the children in order for them to pass a grade level. I blame the school stystem NOT the teachers!(please no flaming me for that, I know they are doing what they have to do and I commend the teachers for it. They have the hardest job in the world!)  I feel that if the school systems reinstated the kids lost recess and  P.E time, the teachers would see a reduction in the "A.D.D/ A.D.H.D" children.  Just my  2 cents :)          

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 9:52:01 PM   
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at one point supected whitches were burned at salemn.


Can't resist picking a nit: They were hanged, not burned.


thank you so much for pointing that out. otherwise i'd have to.

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 10:03:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe the problem is primarily twofold; being both our deteriorating environment, and the profit motive of those who claim to have the cure to what ails us.

We live in a different world today than our ancestors lived in... a world of pesticides, cleaning agents, and countless other toxins that fill our water, land, and air. Of course, these same chemicals eventually find their ways into our bodies via the food we eat and the air we breathe. We also deal with far more electromagnetic fields today than ever before.

Who really knows what the long-term effects of our increasingly unnatural environment are? 

Then we have the profit motive of Big Pharma, pushing the use of their wares upon us at every opportunity. We and our doctors have been carefully indoctrinated to focus on symptoms instead of causes. 

So... yes, I believe that a higher percentage of the population today really do exhibit symptoms of ADD, depression, etc. than ever before... as a direct result of our deteriorating environment.

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 10:12:11 PM   
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Ha....for years I have been saying that they will never find a cure for the common cold. Why? Because a multi billion dollar over the counter drug industry would go down the tubes. I think you are correct. I think that there are many things that we likely have the technology to find cures for....but it just wouldn't be profitable.


When you look at a chart that graphs the meteoric rise of technology over the past 50 years, and compare it to the flat line chart which represents the number of cures discovered for catastrophic diseases over the same 50-year time period (0)... something is very rotten in Denmark!

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 10:34:44 PM   
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