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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 10:54:10 PM   
Lordandmaster


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No, I don't believe there is really such a huge increase in the incidence of mental illness, and agree with you that the rise in lucrative pharmaceuticals explains most of the increase in diagnosis.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Diagnosis of mental illness is at an all time high. Prescriptions for mood altering drugs are also at an all time high.

Do you believe that there really is such a huge increase in mental illness and if so, what do you attribute it to? If you don't believe the seemingly high rate of increase, where do you think this is all coming from.

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 11:01:33 PM   
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When I was growing up, there was no such terms as ADD or ADHD.


They called it hyperactivity when we were younger, and my brother was put on Ritalin when he was in grammar school. He is 6 years older almost to the day than me. He truly had problems. He could not learn to read until he was put on medication for it, nor learn to tie his shoes... he was in first grade (he is extremely bright btw).

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Looking back I don't see that there were any huge numbers of children who seemed to be affected by such conditions. Sure, there were your random children who were sometimes a discipline problem who might have fit the criteria, but it certainly seemed far more rare than the numbers we have today.



While I think it is over diagnosed, not all children with ADD or ADHD have learning disabilities or have behavioral problems. I think I have a touch of it because of how I respond to coffee many times. It will put me to sleep. It calms me down. Now I have never been a trouble maker as a kid, never was a problem,... but I liked to "daydream" a lot.

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As a teen and young adult, I didn't know many people who were chronically depressed, manic depressive or who suffered from anxiety attacks. Yes, there were some but they were few and far between. If the issues were large enough they generally saw counselors and therapists. Medications were not prescribed on anywhere near the scale they are doled out today.

Speaking to folks much older than myself about these things they say that these issues were not prevalent in "their times" in the way they are today. There were no quick fixes and you dealt with life on life's terms. Unruly behavior from children (or adults) was simply not tolerated by society in general and those who chose to exhibit such were quickly addressed


I knew people that had these problems, they were often called "weird" "odd" or "nutso". I think people used to be better at sucking it up is all, and there have always been people out there killing themselves. One has to be pretty damn depressed to do that.

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Today it seems that every other person I meet is taking some kind of medication to alter moods. Even here on these boards there have been many who have stated that they are diagnosed with this or that and are taking this or that. It leads me to wonder about the validity of the numbers that seem to increase with each passing day.

If indeed this increase is valid, what could be causing it? The foods we eat? The additives that are embedded in all of our commerical edibles today? Environmental factors?




I do not know what is causing all of it, but I know that the way for me to deal with it was not with a pill. I am glad I did not run to the pharms for a script.

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If this increase is not valid....who is behind the numbers? Big pharmaceutical companies pushing doctors to sell their products? Doctors who don't take the time to get to the root causes? Patients who expect quick fixes?



Bingo!

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So I wonder, if I have had two such incidences, how likely is it that many others have had doctors who automatically handed them prescriptions for life events that should never be considered treatable by such drugs. Should things like the death of someone close be assumed to be a valid reason to diagnose someone as "depressed" and in need of treatment? If you are nervous about an upcoming job interview should you be labelled as having an "anxiety disorder" and placed on meds? Have we been bamboozled into thinking that we can or should treat all that life throws our way with pills?



I do not think regular MDs should be handing this stuff out. I was told the first day of therapy that he could not give me drugs and would not recommend them until after seeing me several times to see if I needed them. He never brought them up again to me.

I have had discussions with other people in the mental health field that do not take these drugs so lightly. it seems many MDs do, including my sister's, who handed her a Zoloft script like it was candy.

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Or are my incidences exceptions to what is going on out there and is there really a valid monumental increase in mental illness?


I think that there are many people that can benefit from meds, but they should be the last resort... not the first. and I think that it troubles me that all depression and anxiety is seen as something to drug away. I say this as someone that suffered from a phobia, which is just one expression of generalized anxiety, and PTSD. I have been recovering beautifully from this spiritually and nutritionally. I think that people dismiss cures that are free (but my cure was not easy either)

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/8/2007 11:14:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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if there are symptoms of anxiety (as defined by the psychiatrists), then the person must be suffering from a social disorder - utter hipposhite, humans get anxious, it's in our make up to be happy, sad, anxious etc and to grieve when someone dies.

I would estimate there is not a monumental increase in mental illness.


Interesting. I have also noticed that as a whole we have become somewhat desensitized in many ways. I wonder if that is some survival instinct on our part and if maybe we have become afraid to "feel" and medicating away anything that resembles a feeling is becoming the standard.


There is a certain amount of reaching for a product to block out unhappiness, but it is wrapped up in being taught what is 'normal'. We are given an acceptable standard for behaviour and it is increasingly a very narrow form of human emotion. Where people are unhappy for a length of time, a) they feel it's not normal and b) they want a cure to return to perceived normality. Blatantly, unhappiness is not depression.

An interesting question for me is, why do the people who run our societies want to control our range of emotions? I have an opinion, but I'm sure you can smell politics nearby, so I'll hold off ;-)


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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/9/2007 12:34:07 AM   
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I have a friend who ate a can of tuna everyday throughout her pregnancy....her son has Asperger syndrome...was it the mercury...who knows....



There was an additive put in vaccines for about 30 years which was mercury based.  Coincidentally, the dramatic rise in Autism in the United States occured about the same time.

The Pharma companies were sued and eventually agreed to take it off the market.

[sarcasm]

Happily,

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a rider to a bill the Republican's passed absolved the Pharma companies of any responsibility for the outcomes of using a mercury based additive to vaccines, so those of you concerned about lawsuits ruining the United States can rest easily now.  Secure in your knowledge that Pharma companies will emerge from the debacle unscathed and able to continue whatever business practices they engage in for everybodies benefit.

The Pharma companies then turned around and sold their vast stocks of it to China.

Who, coincidentally, are reporting a dramatic rise in autism since they purchased all of it.

While mercury in tuna can be a problem, part of me wonders if the emphasis on avoiding tuna while pregnant is something an unethical company hired a public relations group to warn people about.

Ignorance and fear.

Sinergy

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/9/2007 5:44:11 AM   
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When my son was 4 months old...he was hospitalized because the little flap on his stomach that kept food in was inmature....his pediatrician perscribed a medication for it...she went into great detail in on how it needed to administered at exact dosage and time or convulsions could occur...I asked if there might be another alternative....she said I could try...propping him up for 2 hours after he ate...putting rice cereal in his formula...within 1 month he was fine....
It's easier sometimes to just take a pill...less work...less thought....my theory is we take a pill for whatever symptoms...then 6 months later we need another pill to counteract the side effects of the first pill....and so on and so on......

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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/9/2007 5:51:46 AM   
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I do not think regular MDs should be handing this stuff out.


I completely agree with this.  Mood altering medications should be dispensed by a psychiatrist, they are current on treatments and also tend to treat mood disorders more aggressively than a general practioner.  Recently my mother complained of hot flashes and was put on Effexor.  If you know anything about that anti-depressant, it is a notorious one which is difficult for people to "quit".  I have gotten her into the habit of researching any medication she is prescribed.  Some docs hand this stuff out like candy. 

In some cases children need to be medicated.  But if you are going to do it, why not spend a few extra bucks and see a specialist before handing your kid a drug?  I know that when faced with a similar situation with one of my kids I went to a specialist, there was no way I was going to mess around with this stuff.


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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/9/2007 5:55:24 AM   
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It was interesting to note that your doc also offered you some meds. Sometimes I think that medication is the first option they choose in health care today....and that is sad.


In this circumstance I will give my doc a pass.  I was plying him for "worst case scenario" information, and I was wheezing because my anxiety was triggering my asthma.  I think he wanted me to calm down, in general.  Leading up to the surgery I was much more upset about it than I let on to anyone.  I was scared and it was, for me, monumental, as I'd never had major surgery.


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RE: The rise of mental illness - 5/9/2007 6:58:22 AM   
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a person does have the right to refuse a pill, to refuse medical treatment- at any point in time.

out of the sevral meds im on- i consider the antidepressent paramont.

my brother for instance wont even take an aspirin when he has a headache. why suffer?

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