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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:12:04 PM

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Ah yes...these posts are never about you are they? How many times have we all been here? I just wish you would be honest and write a post that says you are desperately needy and craving the extra attention a post like this brings you....even if all of that attention is usually negative. You could title it "Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I think I'll eat some worms". At least that way we might be able to at least get a laugh out of it.

if someone else had posted this forum discussion then it would have been met without such ridicule...just let it be and let others discuss this for a change and get off my back.

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:13:23 PM

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I think you may be wrong about that michael.

However, if you had worded your OP differently, I think there is a chance it would have been discussed more legitimately.

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:14:18 PM

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Or they need a sharper knife. :)

That's where the "more than once" comes into play. If it doesn't work the first time, you correct the error before making attempt number two. If you fail in the second attempt, you're either completely incompetant or you weren't really trying to kill yourself in the first place.

A little knife tip, cutting your wrists is an extremely low-percentage method of dirt napping yourself. If you're dead set on using a blade, cut the brachial artery on the inside of the upper arm or the femoral artery on the inside of the thigh. You'll bleed out so fast you won't know what hit you.

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:17:30 PM

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i did the best i could to try to include everything in a short space, thus not having a full page of questions. long, drawn out single posts tend to discourage people from continuing to read them.

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:18:46 PM

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Look michael, I am not going to add to the mire here. If you want to know what I am talking about regarding your er... 'style' you can email me... but I will not give you a line of happy happy slave crap.

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:20:01 PM

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Why does God hate you?

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:21:15 PM

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Because he can so readily see his own fuckups in his creation of me.

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:23:06 PM

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puella, just a head's up. There was a time when I used to really try to help michael see why everyone was always so down on him. There was a time when I tried to give him encouragment and understanding. There was a time when I used to try to help michael affect some positive changes. I think that alot of us here have tried. But the fact is that michael doesn't really want to change anything.

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:27:00 PM

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No.No.No....Not you Puella....Everyone know that God hates michaelOfGeorgia I was just hoping to gain some insight into this rather unique phenomenon.

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:28:07 PM

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Oh.. right. When are you going to give me perving material, btw? Who knew you of all people would be so shy!

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:28:26 PM

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Sooooooooooooo...I've not been following up with the drama. What ever happend with the bus-ride?

just curious after stumbling on this...another chapter,
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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:29:34 PM

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Oh.. right. When are you going to give me perving material, btw? Who knew you of all people would be so shy!

Yeah...he won't give me any either.
I think he's a she.

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:31:39 PM

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Hmmm...fairly new here on collarme, but I've got some pretty strong opinions about Michael's post & about some subsequent posts.
If this hypothetical person is actually a "burden on society", I assume they're on permanent disability, getting government assistance on every aspect of their life. In that case, if the person is bored, then, yes, free will says move on. Is this person depressed? Yes. Are they a burden on society? Well, are they being useful to anyone else by their presence here? Are they spending their time volunteering, even to man a phone assistance line or TTD line? Are they attempting to become more than just a potted plant? If not, then this person is wasting resources that could be better used by someone who has aspirations.
The legality or illegality of suicide should have very little impact on said decision. If one does the thing properly, it only takes once. There are a number of very simple ways to do this. Two things are more important to decide. One, how angry & selfish are they? Unless they wish to inflict pain on others on their way out; proper precautions should be taken. Never commit suicide where a child might find you. Never commit suicide when someone will find you unsuspectingly. Mail a letter; should take 2 days at least to reach a fire or police dept.; giving names & numbers to be contacted. Include your front door key.
Speaking as one with personal experience; "attempted" suicide is not always an attention grab. Many are from people too young to know how to do the thing properly; some are from those who would like to leave but still have huge fears about pain. These are not the people who tell their friends ahead of time; they try quietly and alone. Sometimes there is failure; & they have to face the next day with that knowledge. They may be very sick from the method attempted; but now, in addition, is their failure.
There are alternatives to suicide. One is to become useful to someone. If you don't care much for people, do work for animal shelters. Another is to give in & stay here. Find something fun to do. Sit in a public library every day & read every book in the building. Go to the nearest park or beach every day & stare at the grass or the clouds. Pick up trash wherever you go; carry a hefty bag. Go to a doctor for more medication and talk therapy.
It's a big world.
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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:34:14 PM

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I think that what is wrong with suicide is also what is wrong with the death penalty...and maybe even what is wrong with 'assisted suicide'.

It is that if the wrong decision is made...there's no going back and reversing that decision. Even if someone is at the point where they have no good reason to continue, that doesn't mean to say that the next day or week or year things might not seem (and actually *be*) brighter.

In my country suicide *is* legal, and has been for a long time. I wasn't aware that there were still (m)any countries where it isn't. No one does have the right to force someone not to commit suicide, it's just that I would, personally, prefer to encourage someone to find a way to feel that life was worthwhile for them and to make a contribution in some way if they feel that they have no value to society. Economic 'value' isn't everything, people can be of service to humanity in non-monetary ways..heck, some days even a smile is a gift.

If we expunged 'useless' people from our society then surely most under-16's would have to go as in a lot of societies they're dependents who're not pulling in any sort of serious wage...the argument that they might one day grow up to be really valuable members of society applies to everyone. I don't care if you're 8 or 88...if you're still alive, then there's still time to do something good. If you're dead...then there ain't....at least, not to influence it yourself, even if your legacy comes up trumps. That's my own personal belief about the lack of an afterlife, although obviously others may see it differently.

I have had my share of times feeling pointless, useless and hopeless. I am very lucky that I have never, ever felt suicidal with those. I have always believed that it was worth 'sitting it out' until things felt better. And the trick is to not present the means to people when they are feeling low enough to want to end it. In countries where paraquaat is/was widely available suicide rates soar(ed)....because in that vulnerable moment of wanting to check out, people had the means to leave. In other countries the solution is a gun....in the UK before our gas supply changed the domestic oven used to do the trick.

I'm rambling now. But thanks for asking the question. At least it makes a pleasant change from discussing whether cheating is wrong...

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:35:13 PM

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It seems by definition we are all Hedonists here(we all are into Kinky sex and BDSM of some form right?) And want to get as much "zest" out of this life as we possibly can (defined in our own ways). I do not see Suicide out of boredom or personal failure as noble in any way shape or form. I think it is stupid and wastefull. Suicide due to Mental illness/depression/untreated needs is a tragedy. If you feel you are a burden to the planet, do something usefull. Plant trees, teach kids to read, ect. Get a high risk needed job (cleaning up Nuke waste for example), then your death will have a degree of sacrifice. If your bored quit spending time on line, there are literally trillions of things you can do.

I really havent ever talked to you or know you at all.
I hate you because of your picture

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:38:12 PM

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When I was 19 my friend continually attempted suicide. She would call me in the early hours of the morning and time after time I got an ambulance for her and got her to the hospital to be pumped out.
Eventually I got tired sick and emotionally drained. I became selfish and one night she called me and I said ‘NO MICHELLE if you want to end it then just do it’.
The next morning I woke up and immediately went to the toilet and vomited. I turned to my partner and said ‘its Michelle, I know she is dead’. We both hurried round to her apartment. Her body was on the bed, her hand still holding the phone. She was 19

Coping with suicide is a trauma in itself but coping with suicide after you have turned your back and thrown scorn at that person is the most terrible thing.

I have gone on to see another friend take his life. He talked about it many times before he did it. People who commit suicide often do talk about it but when they talk about it they are desperately wanting help. To say they don’t talk about it is a miff.

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:40:17 PM

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but... do online threats count?

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:42:50 PM

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but... do online threats count?

Only if the we are real and not all robots. The written word is our only voice on here

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:45:59 PM

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Well I certainly don't want to go on believing in a miff....It actually is kinda fun to say..Miff..Miff..miff..Miff...miff...Anywhoo why does God hate him so?

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RE: When to let go. - 5/10/2007 2:48:29 PM

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I'm not gonna answer till somebody answers MY question.

<sulks even better than mike>
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