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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 1:41:55 PM

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Oh my....well technically, according to the Catholic Church, all sins are equal. If you confess your sins and say an Act of Contrition and receive an Absolution...then chances are good that yes, people like Ted Bundy could go to heaven. Of course they would have to still have to deal with that pesky Purgatory but if they could get enough people to pay money and light candles...yeah...it could happen.

LOL...As a recovering Catholic, I can relate to this.
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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 1:42:14 PM

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ya mist i do not think that is an answer at all

The answer is salvation & righteousness. Dont ya read that Bible of yours???
But he is a cool God who has given us our choice..FREE WILL

You are ONLY answereable to HIM...NOT US !!

That about says it all folks.....

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 1:48:35 PM

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Sexuality is Spirituality, it is the greatest gift God gave to humankind, It is the greatest and most powerful energy, it creates life. We must first submit to God, then we submit one to another, Bdsm is another expression, ( with the right mind) We could be a Domme, a sub, or a switch .God is the supreme Master/dominatrix....in the TRUE meaning of the word! HE wants total submission from US first, before we could want another to submit to us, or visa verse. We experience Him in our role as either Dom or sub. If we elevate our conscioiusness in search for our HIGHEST self we find the creator, therefore there is no judgement. HEAVEN IS THE PEACE WE FIND WITHIN and with our brother, Hell is the confusion and anger we cultivate minus God................The fear lies within how we think and perceive what we do. If we act outside the creator's love it becomes selfish! God is jealous as the glory is given elsewhere. There is no wrong and right, only our thinking makes it so. If we do all things in TRUE Love, with care for each soul, we will have no doubts or fear about the path we choose to "act out". It is the deception and selfishness that cause God pain, and more importantly excluding HIM from our experiences.. Let us GIVE back all aspects of our unconditional love to God, including our sexuality, and GIVE HIM THE GLORY............This WILL liberate us from internal judgement and we will love each other in our individual role...finally whatever we give to another, we give to ourself,............ we are ALL ONE........do everything IN love, WITH love, God WILL BE GLORIFIED..........everything must be centered on TRUE LOVE.................. I love you all.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 1:50:46 PM

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I have found some sites that were against it and some sites saying that it was ok. I did find out for all those who are muslim it is actually written that it is fine as long as there is consent.

well considering that the Muslims and Christians worship the same God ( the God of the Jews ) you seam to have answered your own question

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 1:58:36 PM

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there is no more pugatory...You can't go to heaven because there is no Christian heaven.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:02:53 PM

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WHAT????????? I demand my money back!!!!!!! Do you have any idea how many of those candles I've lit?

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:03:23 PM

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there is no more pugatory...You can't go to heaven because there is no Christian heaven.

? I have yet to see that memo.
Purgatory was different than Heaven. It was a Cathloic thing anyway. Not all faiths subscribed to the theory of Purgatory.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:07:30 PM

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yes jesus was sent here to die for our sins, but by that logic you are saying that serial murderes such as ted bundy go to heaven

Maybe it does. We do not get to tell the cosmic forces how to run the universe. Our human morality does not govern it. You cannot tell the higher-powers-that-be who they will and will not allow into heaven / whatever higher plane you choose to name.

God is the Master and you are his slave. You accept his law. It is called faith. If you were not supposed to see it (with regard to your original post) feel it, touch it, think it, try it, taste it, smell it, use it ... it merely would not exist. God, to Christians, is the Creator; therefore, God created this life, this world, in its entirety, to enjoy. So enjoy it.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:24:20 PM

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I have found some sites that were against it and some sites saying that it was ok. I did find out for all those who are muslim it is actually written that it is fine as long as there is consent.

Some are against, some are for. I engaged in conversation with the webhost of a site that was against it. When I disproved his points, he stopped talking. Go for the group that feels comfortable. If you ever want to talk about it, you PM me and I'll do whatever I can.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:25:08 PM

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I am roman catholic and my domme friend is greek orthodox, so basically christian. Does bdsm mean we are going to hell? or are we good?

Hello mercmjm. My wife and I are both roman catholics and we are going to hell because we are bad. Thems the rules! See you in hell! RL.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:25:55 PM

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I am roman catholic and my domme friend is greek orthodox, so basically christian. Does bdsm mean we are going to hell? or are we good?

That's one of those questions that nobody can answer for you. You have to decide it for yourself.

By the way, coming here for religious advice (particularly if you are Christian) is a really fucking bad idea.

I don't have a problem with him coming here and asking it. It's BDSM related (in a way). He should just be prepared for all sort of different views. Some he may find offensive or blasphemous.

edit because I can spell blasphemous but not different?????/ Grrrrr I worry me.

The reason I say it's a bad fucking idea is because every thread I've seen covering religion has dissolved into a flame war about how Christianity sucks and those who are religious are stupid. It's not helpful in the slightest, which is why I support him finding a Christian BDSM group.

It's possible this one won't. But *shrugs* my advice still stands for what it is worth.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:34:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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I am roman catholic and my domme friend is greek orthodox, so basically christian. Does bdsm mean we are going to hell? or are we good?

That's one of those questions that nobody can answer for you. You have to decide it for yourself.

By the way, coming here for religious advice (particularly if you are Christian) is a really fucking bad idea.

I don't have a problem with him coming here and asking it. It's BDSM related (in a way). He should just be prepared for all sort of different views. Some he may find offensive or blasphemous.

edit because I can spell blasphemous but not different?????/ Grrrrr I worry me.

The reason I say it's a bad fucking idea is because every thread I've seen covering religion has dissolved into a flame war about how Christianity sucks and those who are religious are stupid. It's not helpful in the slightest, which is why I support him finding a Christian BDSM group.

It's possible this one won't. But *shrugs* my advice still stands for what it is worth.

Oh I totally understand what you meant. :) We think alike on this actaully. Basically I wanted to make a statement that MORE tolerence is needed sometimes when it comes to issues of faith and sexuality. It's a subject I adore and I do not get to voice my views on it enough.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:38:41 PM

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I am roman catholic and my domme friend is greek orthodox, so basically christian. Does bdsm mean we are going to hell? or are we good?

Actually, contrary to several posts herein...you're going to Hell.

(Sorry about that...didn't mean to be the harbinger of bad news and all that but...well basically...you're fucked).

Sucks, don't it?

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:38:58 PM

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I should have said that there is no such thing as purgatory...There are no scriptures anywhere that refer to it.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:41:39 PM

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Your correct. There is no Purgatory. It was a made up thing by the church, which I think they recanted?

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:47:50 PM

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Oh I totally understand what you meant. :) We think alike on this actaully. Basically I wanted to make a statement that MORE tolerence is needed sometimes when it comes to issues of faith and sexuality. It's a subject I adore and I do not get to voice my views on it enough.

Agree 100 percent.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:48:35 PM

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Hello drrawntothedark. There is a purgatory but we are all going to hell, no use hoping for purgatory. Thems the rules, if you don't like em, just be good. My wife and I are bad and are going to hell. I resent people implying we are going to purgatory with all the vanillas. RL.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:51:29 PM

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Hello drrawntothedark. There is a purgatory but we are all going to hell, no use hoping for purgatory. Thems the rules, if you don't like em, just be good. My wife and I are bad and are going to hell. I resent people implying we are going to purgatory with all the vanillas. RL.

YOU may be going to hell. BUT I AM AN ANGEL! So I can't go.

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:55:57 PM

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Actually, there is a Purgatory and it is here in North Carolina :-)
http://singlecell.us/purgatory.html

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RE: bdsm and religion - 5/11/2007 2:56:02 PM

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With those eyes?! Nawwwwwww. See you in hell! RL.

PS: Satan is an Angel, the most beautiful Angel but he likes BDSM and he opened his own hot place!

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