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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 8:05:11 PM

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 8:09:08 PM

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My god, is Paris Hilton is ugly I don't even want to know what that would qualify me as...

You're buying in to a false media image, please knock it off. <Looks through the photos in her profile> You are quite the beautiful woman Miss merrysbrat.

Paris hilton is ugly to me for a couple of reasons, first she looks artificial. I'd be afraid of trying to hug or cuddle her for fear that her skin was actually a plastic shell. (I so deprately want to rap my knuckles on her to see if she's hollow inside like a barbie doll.)

Secondly, I find her unattractive because her expression never seems to change. It's that constant vapid smile, like she's never seen a day that was anything but modestly plesant. Her eyes have no depth to them, no expression.

Finally, I may or may not be unusual in this regard, but I find that women who are not intellectually pleasing, in some way generate an adversion to their physical appearance. It's a purely subjective thing to be sure, but it's how I percieve. That is rather NaughtyAngel's point though. "Beauty", as the bard said, "is in the eye of the beholder". Paris Hilton has nothing of interest to say, no ideas to communicate, nothing of import to share on any topic. She's just rich, spoiled, and brick stupid.

But apparently enough people do find her pleasing to the eye that she makes money off of it, and thus she is a successful media-whore.

My $0.02; value subject to fluctuate on the interpersonal currency market,

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(Edited because it's late and I can't use punctuation properly on haf a brain, or spell "half" for that matter.)

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 8:24:37 PM

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Well thank you! I tend to think I'm pretty too, although some of that does have to do with my intelligence/interets. I mean, what girl who can speak elvish AND some klingon isn't sexy? Although, maybe I'm projecting the kind of girl I would like onto other people.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 8:28:28 PM

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Smart, pretty and a fantasy/sci-fi geek. Where do they make women like you so I can get one?!?!?!

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 8:29:28 PM

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Maybe its just me, but I hear a LOT of excuses.

Few people actually have a horomone problem, most people have other 'issues' and eating is how they handle them. Also, some people are just genetically predisposed to have a bit more on them, I should be in the group, but, I am not. WhenI work out, I have to work out 110% harder than other people to get in shape, my body expects me to at this point. I use to wrk out over 20hrs a week, and that is when I was in high school.

Idea, try Brain Garden, its based on the book of Daniel in the Bible. I have friends who have done it and one lost MORE than 100lbs, she looks incredible.

Personally, I am using an incentive for my current vanilla partner; he wants to drop 10lbs, my incentive, I will send him 1 disk full of pics of his choice for every 5 lbs he loses as well as give him as much sex as he can handle when he have our weekends together. He is aleady up to 4lbs, if he reaches the 5lb mark this week, I will be worn out by next Sunday. His incentative for me to work out and get my 100miles in a week [bike riding], he will drive to see me [a 6 hr drive] for every week I get my 100 in.

Whatever works, excuses or incentives. All I know is that I would rather live life than watch it and complain about something that I do have control over and that I can do something about. Their are countless healthy ways to get healthy, pick a few, every little change makes difference. One you can do right now, while you are on the computer do squats or sit on a balance ball, that will work your core muscles. Yes, I do follow my own advice.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 8:32:16 PM

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Apparently they make us in St. Cloud, some of the newer models come equiped with cupholders, but for Lord of the Rings/Star Trek knowledge I would go with an older model. :)

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 8:33:07 PM

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CJenny,

Do you have a guilty conscience? The person you quoted didn't enen reply to you. Why do you feel the need to defend yourself from non attacks. Perhaps its because some of the statements you made in this thread were hurtful, hateful and predjudicial without intent and now you realize it?

Just say you are sorry, don't put up a wall of defense. It requires more work on your part than necessary.
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Excuse me but you are out of line here. NOWHERE IN THIS THREAD NOR ANYWHERE HAVE I SAID I HATE FAT PEOPLE. Hello?? Last year I was 225 pounds. My god, are you all so very defensive yourselves that you simply do not read?
I apologised for misreading that the reply was sent to me.
I will not apologise for saying that obese people are not attractive to me. That IMO obese people are putting an unnecessary strain on their bodies.
I'm sorry but get a grip.

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nowhere did I say you said you hated fat people. I did say,
"Perhaps its because some of the statements you made in this thread were hurtful, hateful and predjudicial without intent and now you realize it?"

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My god, are you all so very defensive yourselves that you simply do not read?

check yourself on that one.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 8:34:18 PM

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Apparently they make us in St. Cloud, some of the newer models come equiped with cupholders, but for Lord of the Rings/Star Trek knowledge I would go with an older model. :)

HA!!!!

Now that was funny!

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 10:48:43 PM

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And where do you get this 'fact' from? I'd like a source.

You don't feel the need to quote your sources, why should I?

Especially when I and at least one other person has quoted sources, to continue to get told "90% blah" with no sources for the statistics. Oh, btw, and STILL no sources for your statistics.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 11:01:09 PM

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those of you who might speak out about what a crime against humanity fatness is here would never go up to a smoking stranger and take a cigarette out of their hand.

Yeah, having trouble with the quotes on here. But in response, no, none of us would go up to a smoking stranger and take their cig away, of course not. But would we go up to a really fat stranger who was eating a burger and take it away? Again, of course not.

Maybe not. But there are a lot more people in the world who will go up to and lecture the fat person eating a burger about how bad it is for them than there are people who will lecture a smoker about how dangerous smoking is for them.

And where do you get this 'fact' from? I'd like a source.

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You don't feel the need to quote your sources, why should I?

Especially when I and at least one other person has quoted sources, to continue to get told "90% blah" with no sources for the statistics. Oh, btw, and STILL no sources for your statistics.

ooooooo! this could get exciting...Domiguy pulls up chair to thread anticipating a good sumo wrestling match to break out on CM....

SUNDAY!!!....SUNDAY!!!.....SUNDAY!!!!.....COME WATCH THE BIG GIRLS BRAWL!!!!!

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 11:29:01 PM

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i think your Sir is absolutely correct too, dear one.

then again, i've known you for years now. and you're beautiful inside and out.

kitten, who loves many people...and is pleased to see someone else she knows here.

Heh. But you are prejudiced, love :).

The same can be said for you. You are beautiful. And MANY people see that. Don't give the idiots time of day or allow them inside your head. (Yeah, I know, practice what I preach LOL.)

of course i am! i KNOW you're beautiful!

and dont say that, i cant see what i look like and you know it.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 4:30:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: cjenny
CJenny,

Do you have a guilty conscience? The person you quoted didn't enen reply to you. Why do you feel the need to defend yourself from non attacks. Perhaps its because some of the statements you made in this thread were hurtful, hateful and predjudicial without intent and now you realize it?
Just say you are sorry, don't put up a wall of defense. It requires more work on your part than necessary.
/end quote
Excuse me but you are out of line here. NOWHERE IN THIS THREAD NOR ANYWHERE HAVE I SAID I HATE FAT PEOPLE. Hello?? Last year I was 225 pounds. My god, are you all so very defensive yourselves that you simply do not read?
I apologised for misreading that the reply was sent to me.
I will not apologise for saying that obese people are not attractive to me. That IMO obese people are putting an unnecessary strain on their bodies.
I'm sorry but get a grip.
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nowhere did I say you said you hated fat people. I did say,
"Perhaps its because some of the statements you made in this thread were hurtful, hateful and predjudicial without intent and now you realize it?"

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My god, are you all so very defensive yourselves that you simply do not read?

check yourself on that one.

BBBTBW, If you would be so kind as to point out where I said 'hurtful/hateful/prejudicial comments?
#43
I agree with much of what you posted here. To me someone 100+ lbs overweight is not sexy it is unhealthy & right or wrongly I question myself as to why they are that way. I was fat because I didn't eat properly nor exercise properly and most of that came from laziness/apathy.
In one year I lost exactly 100 pounds. I was NOT sexy before that, I was fat. Not a BBW but a fat woman with an unhealthy body. Unfortunately I went to the extreme and became too skinny so I have put back on 20 lbs lol. ( I have to admit I honestly miss being a size 4 for the first first time in my life! Now I am a 10 battling to be an 8 lol)
I know there are a lot of men who like heavier women..however I know even more men that want a healthy partner.
Personally I have a tough time believing someone over 300 pounds is healthy, the amount of weight being carried is not good nor easy on the body. Physically it is dangerous, socially it is discriminated against. Being fat is not fun. If you can't easily clip your own toenails or put socks on without sitting down I see a problem.
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No no. I lost all that thru illness and self imposed starvation. NOT the way to go! So no kudos for me please, I did it all wrong.
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bandit, that is why I personally don't like the term BBW. It makes it easier to stay fat if you can convince yourself it is beautiful.
Someone may be beautiful despite being fat, but I cannot swallow (yesssss pun intended) thinking that an average height woman who weighs in over 250 pounds is a healthy, confident & beautiful woman.
I dont mean folks who are overweight, I mean fat. Fat to me is 50+ pounds over the average weight for that height.
Curvy is good, fat.. not so much.
Anyone ever wonder why there is a stigma against fat folks?
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I'm sorry but I am confused. Do you mean to say that being seriously overweight has no physical ramifications?
That damage to hips/knees/ankles is something contrived by the diet industry? Or that the heart is not burdened by the excess?
I am aware of the book you mention btw. I just don't get the idea that obese people don't have additional health issues due to their weight.
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I feel some hostility here and that was not something I wanted. I never said fat people weren't pretty FelinePersuasion. This post is about the term BBW, BigBeautifulWomen. To me obesity is not beautiful, it is a problem. To you apparently it is a problem that I think that way.
I do not think society ought to encourage it which is the second bit of the OP.
The examples I used were just that, trying to show that a certain level of physical incapacity (putting socks on without difficulty) goes along with obesity. I'm not picking on anyone overweight nor would I ever. I know there are many reasons for it some that are beyond a persons control.
Weight problems are a social problem as well. It costs more in medical care, sometimes that has to be picked up by everyone. Children are losing so much outdoor time compared to my childhood of 30+ years ago. Jeez PE has been taken out of loads of public schools! Their cafeterias often have fast food franchises inside. IMO there is something wrong with that as a society, so no I don't want it encouraged.
That was the OP. Not whether or not you're 'cute'. I'm sorry you felt defensive over this.
#79
I have to ask now, why you keep stating "Thats your problem" to me? Are you even aware that it is a rather hostile statement?
Kudos to you being confident. Confidence is a good thing.
#81
You're correct, it was a mistake to include the word confident. I would appreciate if you would drop the hostility? Especially now that you have admitted it.
Thank you.
*edit/blush I used the word 'now' too many times for comfort.
#94
Don't forget medication side effects... I swear half mine have 'weight gain' as one. Gee maybe that gets balanced out by the ones that cause 'loss of appetite'? LOL.
#108
Gee I feel the love here. NA, I did not start the thread. I did not say anywhere on this thread OR elsewhere that I hated fat people. To suggest so is absurd and untrue. Nor do I hate myself.
I don't hate groups, I rarely if ever hate an individual.
#277
Actually the reply was to me. Why would I have a guilty conscience? Until this post, I haven't even been on this thread since about page 9.... this is page 14.
#281
Ah it was not . For that I apologise. Guilty no, defensive? Yes. I was accused of hating fat people, of several other things on this thread as well.. things I never said, never intended nor even thought.
That is why I left this thread alone 5 pages ago, it was senseless to try and discuss this due to the amount of emotion that was brought into this.
Again I do apologise for misreading that it was posted to me, I truly thought it had been.
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Excuse me but you are out of line here. NOWHERE IN THIS THREAD NOR ANYWHERE HAVE I SAID I HATE FAT PEOPLE. Hello?? Last year I was 225 pounds. My god, are you all so very defensive yourselves that you simply do not read?
I apologised for misreading that the reply was sent to me.
I will not apologise for saying that obese people are not attractive to me. That IMO obese people are putting an unnecessary strain on their bodies.
I'm sorry but get a grip.
Losing weight is a bitch and a half... it can be a lot easier to call yourself BBW than make such a drastic lifestyle change. Almost like it is a rationalization of their weight 'I'm a BBW' gives the chance to be 'beautiful' no matter what.
I do not mean to sound harsh, I really don't. But going from 225 to 125 changed me from a fat woman to an average woman. Never did I call myself a BBW simply because I was fat not beautiful.
'You have such a pretty face'.
'She has a fantastic personality!'
None of this is directed to anyone, it is just my view having been there & back.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 6:20:57 AM

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For a morbidly obese woman to adopt the label of "BBW" is not societal encouragement, it is personal denial. It's the same denial, though in a different guise, that makes bulemics think they're attractive despite their emaciated (and in some cases skeletal) appearance.

just thought i'd point out that most -bulimics- are not emaciated. on top of that, pretty much every eating disordered person i know/have talked to (and i'm talking around 100 or more people here) who has been emaciated does not necessarily find emaciation physically attractive, so it's a far different phenomenon from big beautiful women.

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slaverosebeauty: Whatever works, excuses or incentives. All I know is that I would rather live life than watch it and complain about something that I do have control over and that I can do something about.

you are lucky, then. not everyone has the ability to control their metabolism and the health problems that lead them to gain weight. and not all health problems that lead to weight gain are related to the thyroid; that's a common misconception, though. for example, a good deal of my weight gain has to do with the fact that i pretty much killed my metabolism with an eating disorder, and then i started and stopped a bunch of medications, all with side effects of weight gain. which means i put on weight, but my body won't get rid of it because my metabolism is vacationing to canada at the moment. i just love how everyone assumes that because THEIR body works a certain way, everyone else's must work that way, too.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 6:37:38 AM

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For a morbidly obese woman to adopt the label of "BBW" is not societal encouragement, it is personal denial. It's the same denial, though in a different guise, that makes bulemics think they're attractive despite their emaciated (and in some cases skeletal) appearance.

just thought i'd point out that most -bulimics- are not emaciated. on top of that, pretty much every eating disordered person i know/have talked to (and i'm talking around 100 or more people here) who has been emaciated does not necessarily find emaciation physically attractive, so it's a far different phenomenon from big beautiful women.

Duh. You're right, I meant anorexic. There was an interview I saw at one point, and I'm certain that they were selected because of their sensationalist attraction, of a pair of anorexic twins that were skeletally thin (I kept thinking of images of Auschwitz) claiming that they were indeed beautiful and needed to lose more weight to be even moreso. It was these extreme cases with the self delusion I was referring to, as "question"'s original post was directed at the extreme cases on the other end of the scale.

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slaverosebeauty: Whatever works, excuses or incentives. All I know is that I would rather live life than watch it and complain about something that I do have control over and that I can do something about.

you are lucky, then. not everyone has the ability to control their metabolism and the health problems that lead them to gain weight. and not all health problems that lead to weight gain are related to the thyroid; that's a common misconception, though. for example, a good deal of my weight gain has to do with the fact that i pretty much killed my metabolism with an eating disorder, and then i started and stopped a bunch of medications, all with side effects of weight gain. which means i put on weight, but my body won't get rid of it because my metabolism is vacationing to canada at the moment. i just love how everyone assumes that because THEIR body works a certain way, everyone else's must work that way, too.

annabelle.

Amen!

Diet gurus annoy me endlessly. Just pay attention to your own body and how it works or find a doctor that is willing to do exactly that before going full bore with some diet plan. Down the road of Diet Fads lays Madness.

Time to go to work and earn another $0.02,

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 6:54:11 AM

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ok as what Monique the comic would describe me, I am a "skinny bitch" you know what i am proud to be 5'4 and anywhere from from 110-120 and not look it. Its all in the tits. Here is my point however. I come from a family of big women. Shit my own mother would never tell me her true weight but i would assume about 250 or so maybe more. Here is the thing. My mother was ALWAYS proud of her looks. Yeah she used to be a skinny mini before she had be but hey it happen. Ppl say fat kills well cancer struck my mother down and thats something that hits skinny and big girls alike. My grandmother is big becuase of the steriods she has to take post kidney transplant. My 1st aunt is big and proud totally healthy. my self my second aunt and one cousin are the ONLY 110-125lb women in our family for the most part.

I grew up with the bottaceli(sp) of curvy black women as my example. I have never strived to be bigger or to be smaller. I have strived to be just me. So I say if you have a wide body and are fine and healthy. Keep eating. I know I do. Hell I have big lushcious(sp) gf's who i go out with.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 6:57:19 AM

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This topic buzzes past on the screen every so often, and I finally decided to look at it.

A good question to reply to this question is: "Is anything something we as a society should encourage", following the negotiation between all in our society to determine who "we" are, who defines the terms we shall negotiate, and who counts the votes.

I have met wonderful beautiful people of many ages, sizes, body types, interests and of a number of gender identifications.

In all cases if I do not find the person's mind attractive, their shoe size, body size or centerfold credits makes no difference to me.

Many societies have very different concepts of beauty. Some rate small size highly, some rate large size highly. Just look through an art history book and you'll see how standards of beauty have changed.

The personal energy someone gives to me is far more important than anything about their looks.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 6:58:27 AM

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And where do you get this 'fact' from? I'd like a source.

You don't feel the need to quote your sources, why should I?

Especially when I and at least one other person has quoted sources, to continue to get told "90% blah" with no sources for the statistics. Oh, btw, and STILL no sources for your statistics.

Which statistics specifically?

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 1:20:22 PM

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7 more pages to go, my prediction seems dead on

I am better than madame cleo, I miss her commercials.

It's dying down Mia....

Appox. 60 posts to go and it doesn't look good.

Madame Cleo may have the last laugh yet.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 3:07:48 PM

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Now...with the wide variety of information and healthy options available, its really on the individual...and therefore...none of my fuckin business.

GREAT post. I hope you don't mind that I'm using it as a jumping off spot for mine.

Passing judgment on people based on appearance is, by the definition in my dictionary, prejudice and thus, a bigot. Wikipedia defines a bigot as "a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his own."

There are those of us who dieted our way to morbid obesity. Being considered "huge" at size 12 and 140 lb led to diets and putting the weight back on plus some when the diet ended (again and again, known as "yo-yo dieting"). It is now recognized that excessively low-calorie diets are harmful in part because they create a very efficient metabolism, one that slows and adds to our fat reserves for the next time we are "starving." There was a time when doctors and popular diet plans were advocating less than 1000 calories a day, and my mom encouraged me to be on an 800 calorie per day diet. There was also the "protein diet" which allowed me to lose 50 lb when I was 16 - but also put me in a hospital having my gallstones and gallbladder removed when I was 19.

There are a lot of factors connected with overweight and obesity. Would that it were a matter of quitting, as in giving up cigarettes. Granted, that's hard - but one doesn't have to smoke to survive. If it were only that simple math equation of calories and exercise and burning more than one consumes, without all the "stuff" that goes with it.

Those who point fingers and accuse, who suggest that being big should not be allowed to be considered beautiful, are part of the problem. Those who feel good about themselves, love and like themselves, are more likely to nurture themselves and do good things for themselves - which includes eating in a healthy way and exercising. Self-hatred, in my experience in crisis counseling, leads to self-harmful behaviors, and self-hatred is fueled by the contempt and narrow-minded, shortsighted, prejudiced, stereotyping attitudes and words of fat bigots.

For those who find the obese and morbidly obese to be repulsive to look at and think about - don't. For those who have that attitude and work in the health care industries - do us all a kindness and find another job. Your attitude comes through loud and clear to those who are forced to deal with you - and you are one of the reasons obese people have some of the health problems they do. They don't go to the doctor or get health care as frequently as they should, quite often, because they are made to feel disgusting, revolting, worthless, and ugly. Any and all health issues they have are, by some "health care professionals," attributed to their weight without looking further to consider that there might be something else which is the real cause of the problem. (And they say WE'RE the lazy ones?)

I'm short. I'm fat. To more people than I ever expected, I'm beautiful. And again, to more people than I expected, I'm sexy. (And it's not that I'm a legend in my own mind - I have references..*grin*) It's one more way to describe me. It is not the ONLY way to describe me. I am a fully dimensional woman. I have issues. I have things I need to do to improve my health. But so do my skinny friends, and my friends of all sizes. I am not defined solely by my weight or the size of my clothes - and that's why I personally don't use the "BBW" label. For those who find it useful in affirming and validating themselves, and building their self esteem, more power to them.

This is, as evidenced by the many pages of posts, a problem that is a hot button for a lot of us, and is not something solved as easily as admonishing someone to "eat less, exercise more." There's been some good stuff posted here, some thoughtful and self-revealing posts. It's been interesting reading (since it's my first time reading here).

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 3:56:55 PM

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You wanna know where you were hurtful to me.

In number 54 where you can't swallow (pun intended) that someone 50 + lbs overweight can be healthy, confident and beautiful. Thank GOD not everyone feels like you do that's all I got to say.

Oh and btw, I'm a fat bitch that breaks all the molds cause I don't have high blood pressure, diabetes, or high cholesterol. My doctor tells me encourages me to lose weight so that I don't develope these. Which is why I go to the gym and watch what I eat.

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