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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 2:32:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ........... and there is just no disputing the fact that many problems arise from being overweight.



Actually, there is a lot of disputing this going on nowadays.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 2:39:32 PM   
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Pretty much I was just trying to figure out why you might think you are large.


I don't know that you were talking to me here at all, but I have a perfect answer for you as to why women like us "think we are large." Look at my pictures, I have 3 in my profile. Then take a guess at how many lbs "overweight" you think I might be.

Bet you wouldn't have guessed the answer is a range of 100-120. And no, those aren't old pics from my "thin" past.

At my current weight, the weight at which those pics were taken, the charts say that to be "healthy" I need to be 100-120 lbs less than what I am. To look "hot" by hollywood standards I'd need to be about 140 less than what I am. Do I care? Hell no. I am healthy and happy and feel comfortable in my skin and I'm very active and there is nothing that I can't do because of my size. So I do take offense at a poster like the OP who would look at me and ask whether or not society should encourage me to feel good about myself, consider myself beautiful. And no, I don't call myself a BBW cause personally I just don't think that's a cool term to use. But if anyone else wants to use it, more power to them.

Does that answer your question as to why we might think we are large?

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 2:44:23 PM   
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I have reached the conclusion that the majority of the doctors that you overweight women are utilizing must be idiots...Yes, they might explain how being a large and lovely women might lead to problems in the future regarding the damage done to your heart, knees, back and every other joint in your body.  However these  numbskulls have not begun to address where your primatry concern should lie....So let's do the math together.....You + me +  shit load of alcohol + sex =  the potential for serious harm or injury to my knees, heart, back and so on...You BBW's are extremely selfish not to consider the risk or damage you pose to your innocent inebriated partners.

I am a BBWDG...BIg Bad Wonderful Domiguy.....I think this will shed some light as well as understanding on a topic that for the longest period needed to be responsibly and sanely addressed...No "thank you's" are necessary just to know I have helped is always enough.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 3:03:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: question

I thought about putting this in the health and safety area but figured I would get a better response here. I do not wish to offend anyone or have people think that I only envision real woman as 90lb supermodels. As a person who works in the healthcare industry I am appalled that someone could even be more than 100lbs over their ideal body weight let alone think it was something to flaunt. For those of you that belive the term BBW applies to a voluptuous full figured woman I have no problems with you and can understand the application of the term.

I guess I have lit the fire and look forward to your responses



We shouldnt encourage any kind of attitude that exiles a group of people.

However...this doesnt mean we should be socially acceptable of the unhealthy lifestyle choices that caused the condition in many people..

Think of it like smoking.

People could attack my past smoking habits all they wanted. Smoking was an activity and a very unhealthy one at that.

However, when people stopped acting the "activity" and started attacking "ME" on an individual level because of my smoking, I had serious issues with them.... especially when I was smoking outdoors by myself and wasnt endangering anyone with second hand smoke (minus the people who came close enough to attack me for my smoking).

When you have an activity that is more or less having very little effect on people outside of themselves, then exiling and degrading a person for participating in that activity simply because it doesnt suit your own personal preferences is logically wrong.

So its not that we should discourage the people themselves, but rather the unhealthy lifestyle choices that are leading to the obesity.

Another good example is abortion. If people would stick to attacking abortion and stop attacking people who have made perfectly legal choice that is on a personal moral level and has very little to do with anyone else outside of themselves, the world would be a better place.

I can think of a lot of things that would be a lot better off if people stuck to attacking the activities and not the people who made an adult choice to participate in those activities.

I have issues with OBESITY, not with obese people...and more specifically with our past culture that has made the unhealthy lifestyle activities that lead to obesity socially acceptable.

I'm not a genius but when I was a teenager, I had a pretty good idea where we as a society were headed with the large amounts of fast food people around me were consuming on a daily basis.

Only recently have we, as a culture, really started to get on the right track with it and started to take the same aggressive attitude we have had with smoking with fast food and lack of exercise.

Now...with the wide variety of information and healthy options available, its really on the individual...and therefore...none of my fuckin business. 


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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 3:29:28 PM   
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domiguy- you are marvelously funny

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 3:30:10 PM   
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I'm so excited! I just found the link to Penn and Teller's Bullshit, season 4 and the first episode is "obesity". Thought I'd share. I haven't watched it yet.

http://alloftv.net/index.php?content=episodes&show=193&season=5&epID=11673

(click on "part one" to view)

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 3:45:18 PM   
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Ok then lets put everyone that drinks more than a beer or glass of wine a day on their own island.  Then take all the smokers and put them on their own island.  Don't forget us fatties, we need the biggest island...cause we have more body mass.  And lets not forget the anorexics and bulemics, they get an island too.  Then ya know there are those that think those of us in BDSM live an unhealthy lifestyle so group all of us on an island too.  Ooooh and don't forget addicts, they need an island too.  Grab the workaholics while you are at it.  And all those soccer moms who hit the drive thru on the way home from the field cause she's too tired to cook again tonight.

Hmmm wonder how many would be left if we took all those socially unacceptable people who live any number of unhealthy lifestyles and exiled then so that all the perfect people could feel all warm and fuzzy. 

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 3:50:47 PM   
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I hope your reply to my post isnt implying that I think we SHOULD exile obese people to an island because they are obese.

If thats the case, then you should reread it because I am saying exactly the contary.



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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 4:02:30 PM   
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No not at all. 

Just as a "fat" person, I know what it's like to be the biggest thing in the room yet still be invisible.  Not because I'm trying to blend into the wall but because instead of being seen as a human being with feelings, I'm seen as a fat blob to be avoided at all costs.  And the same can be said for most of those in the groups I mentioned.  Rather than acknowledge that whatever the issue a person is dealing with they are still a person with value to add, people avoid them. 

As a former smoker, I'm sure you ran into those who when you asked permission to smoke in their home, car or presence they looked at you like you grew another head.  That's how the "perfect" people treat others they deem not worthy.  And frankly it pisses me off.  We have seen some posts here that reflect that attitude. 

To say that all fat people are lazy is like saying all Doms are asshole and all Dommes are bitches and all submissives and slaves are doormats.  Just doesn't work like that.  Are there Dom who are assholes..Yep, but not all of em are that way.  Are some subs and slaves doormats Yep but definately not all.  So to generalize any group of people and slap a label on em that is just plain wrong and frankly in my opinion hurtful.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 4:07:28 PM   
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Well, then we are in complete agreement =)



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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 5:04:47 PM   
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MadRabbit
I hope your reply to my post isnt implying that I think we SHOULD exile obese people to an island because they are obese.


This idea is simply ridiculous....as well as offensive to the free thinkers of the world.
First off, it would have to be a very large island. Second what would be the GNP of such a place? The financial difficulties that would be endured by these island dwellers makes the idea rather ludicrous....Although it would be a serene environment with the sound of the surf and the whir of rascals http://www.rascalscooters.com/  which might lure some tourists to this seaside oasis...But I really think it would behoove you to think these things all the way through before making such a bold statement....

However, I do believe it is time for NASA to reconsider my proposal for jettisoning the elderly into the Sun.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 5:07:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: question

I thought about putting this in the health and safety area but figured I would get a better response here. I do not wish to offend anyone or have people think that I only envision real woman as 90lb supermodels. As a person who works in the healthcare industry I am appalled that someone could even be more than 100lbs over their ideal body weight let alone think it was something to flaunt. For those of you that belive the term BBW applies to a voluptuous full figured woman I have no problems with you and can understand the application of the term.

I guess I have lit the fire and look forward to your responses



No, obesity should never be encouraged.  But then again, neither should smoking, drinking, McDonald's diets, Atkins diets or anything else.

Health should be encouraged.  If the hefty mama next door is as healthy as a horse then what difference does it make how much they weigh, as long as they are happy?   Being underweight causes just as many problems as being overweight.  Look at all those twigs in modelling that are falling over dead as a result of the push to show off their rib cages...  As far as I am concerned, it is as big a problem when their ribs stick out further than their tits as it is when the last time they saw their crotch was in 1968.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 5:23:24 PM   
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Pleeeez! Obesity should at all times be encouraged...Can you imagine a world without the chubby?  Who would the kids pick on?  What if the cool kids turned  against each other?....Chaos and pandemonium!!!  Let sleeping dogs lie...And if there is a God above...May the fat continue to flourish and eat and reproduce....For  the latter I would prefer if you would do it when I am out of sight.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 5:40:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cjenny

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ORIGINAL: NaughtyAngel

It's good to be reminded that small-minded people are everywhere.
Not that I really need such a reminder when I get plenty of it every day.

I don't really understand the point to this discussion. It's obvious no one here is changing anyone else's mind.  And why be so concerned with someone else's weight.  Unless they are sitting on your chest, how is it affecting you?

I'm fat. I say it loud and proud not because I'm happy to be the weight that I am but because I am not going to waste my time weeping that I don't have Jennifer Lopez's body.
Some of you would obviously have all overweight folks be sniveling little puddles of apologies for their body type.  Quite frankly, that's utter bullshit.  If you can't deal with someone because you are so shallow that another's weight bothers you, then run inside, lock the doors and never leave the house again.  It'll be better for all of us, I assure you.

What is truly disturbing are the women in this thread who have been or are fat and are obviously fat-haters themselves.  It's sad that their hate for themselves not only affects them but oozes out onto others they see in similar situations.

Being fat does not make me any less beautiful, any less sexy than if I were smaller.  I realize that to some people it does because it makes me not their type but your beauty should not be dependent on what others think of you.  And certainly not what they think of your outer shell. 

That all said, I am aware of the health issues.  Still, they are MY health issues.  I'll deal with them. Would you walk up to a person dealing with, say, cancer and start telling them what they should and shouldn't do or be?
Of course, I realize there is a difference but the point is that in both cases, it's not your business and not your place.



Gee I feel the love here. NA, I did not start the thread. I did not say anywhere on this thread OR elsewhere that I hated fat people. To suggest so is absurd and untrue. Nor do I hate myself.
I don't hate groups, I rarely if ever hate an individual.


CJenny,

Do you have a guilty conscience? The person you quoted didn't enen reply to you. Why do you feel the need to defend yourself from non attacks. Perhaps its because some of the statements you made in this thread were hurtful, hateful and predjudicial without intent and now you realize it?

Just say you are sorry, don't put up a wall of defense. It requires more work on your part than necessary.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 5:40:41 PM   
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I think its deplorable that a discussion about body size always turns into people feeling the need to condemn and defend their level of body fat.
I'm equally to blame in this way. At work I teach body image & intuitive eating classes to teenagers. For the first year or so I fell into the same trap of always feeling like I need to explain to them why my body is larger than the norm. It took me a long time to learn that defending my reasons for being large is counter productive. My physical illness may cause my weight, but if it didn't, stigmatizing and demonizing people for their body size is still wrong!
Fat is a physical attribute. The fact that our society wages war on a physical attribute seems comical. Imagine if we waged war on shortness, big noses or tiny testes. Tiny testes cause impotence! Now let's think about that statement. Obviously it isn't true. Tiny balls don't cause impotence. Steroid abuse may cause tiny balls and impotence, but its not the ball shrinkage that does it. Apply that theory to the attack on fat. Obesity isn't an epademic. Poor nutrition and exercise may cause obesity & other health problems, but its not the obesity that is the problem, its the social factors that may cause it in some people. Just like some men have naturally tiny balls, some women are naturally thicker than others.
If you're worried about encouraging negative behaviors in people, worry about what they eat and how they care for their bodies and stop focusing so much on whether someone is a bbw or not! Some bbws exercise, eat well and are very healthy while others are not! Some men with tiny balls do steroids and others do not. Attacking people based upon their bodies helps no one. If you don't want to have sex with a fat woman than don't. Feel free to avoid those with tiny balls also, I'm sure they won't mind ;)

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 5:49:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: curvyslavegirl

I think its deplorable that a discussion about body size always turns into people feeling the need to condemn and defend their level of body fat.
Fat is a physical attribute. The fact that our society wages war on a physical attribute seems comical. some women are naturally thicker than others.



Now we are finally on the same page.....Just think of it....We bring home the troops and turn their attentions to a viable enemy that can't blend in with the crowd and is a fairly east target.....I think this is a war we can actually win.

God Bless Our Troops.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 5:53:49 PM   
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Actually the reply was to me. Why would I have a guilty conscience? Until this post, I haven't even been on this thread since about page 9.... this is page 14.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 6:02:32 PM   
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I'm surprised this thread has gone on for so many pages without being dropped or at least hi-jacked.
I figured everyone would be tired of the fat debate by now.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 6:06:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cjenny

Actually the reply was to me. Why would I have a guilty conscience? Until this post, I haven't even been on this thread since about page 9.... this is page 14.


Actually, it was not.
I was curious as to why you took it so personally as well but had pretty much the same thoughts as BBBTBW and didn't see much point in inciting further delusions.


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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/13/2007 6:09:23 PM   
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... you cannot sit down and try to talk about the obesity epidemic, or fat acceptance, without taking in ALL the factors, and that's not just limited to laziness and overeating.


95% + of the obesity problem in America is due to a poor diet and personal inactivity.

Sorry to burst your bubble but because America is rich, America is fat and lazy.


funny. i grew up in a family that mostly lived in poverty, and the majority of us are fat ;) actually, haven't there been an influx of studies lately about how obesity seems to be higher in poverty-level communities?

annabelle.



the reason for this, is because fast food is much cheaper then fresh, healthy food. fast food as we all know is very bad for you, but its very cheap and easy to get/eat. on the other hand, you really have to hand over major bucks to get fresh fruits, lean meats and good greens. ever go into a farmers market? those produce are expensive, and if you have a tight budget already, odds are you are not going to go for the expensive fresh fruit when you can get cheaper canned fruit(which is canned in surgary syrup).

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Also, on a side note, I'd like to ask why it's not ok for "them ugly fat people" to be fat because they are lazy, yet skinny people who are blessed with a really good metabolism, and who eat the 5,000 calories a day and do nothing more strenuous than loading the dishwasher are ok to be lazy, just because they are skinny?


yes yes and more yes! not yes to its right, but yes to a very good point. as i mentioned in my other post, there are some people who are just naturally so skinny, no matter how much they eat or what they do(or lack of, therefore). lets take slaverosebeauty for example; she is naturally very small and though she can put on the weight, she can lose it very quickly as well. she is part of a rather small percentage of people in the country who are like that, in the same way the people who are overweight and cant lose the weight are also a rather small percentage. most of the girls who are very very small have some sort of eating disorder, or are constantly dieting; similarly, most of the people who are overweight eat way too many calories a day, and arent active enough. these two groups are one in the same, in my opinion. they are both generally unhealthy individuals and have health problems resulting from their respective weight problems and eating habits(and yes, being too skinny is a weight problem, and not eating is an eating problem). its rather unfortunate that even though we are trying to educate people of the dangers of being too skinny, there are still people like nichole richie who are literally skin and bones but are called beautiful for losing the weight, while other "stars" are rediculed for being *GASP!* normal weight and having curves.

heres something that you might find interesting; the average model is 5'6-8 and weighs 120 pounds give or take. the average american woman is 5'2, and weighs 140 pounds. are you following me? what would happen if we just turned off the television, threw out..no BURNED the fashion magazines and tabloids, and just practiced being healthy? i think youd be surprised how people's body images would change. 8 year old girls would not be dieting to get rid of puppy fat that would disappear in a few years on its own, because they saw in a magazine that their tummy should be flat. boys wouldnt be made fun of for not having large, steroid induced, bulging muscles by their peers. i have to say, im pretty proud of how most people on this thread, and lifestyle in general, have very healthy body images. good self esteem is what makes a person beautiful, and its a terrible thing when others can strip you of that because they dont like what you look like.

hey, consider this though...us chunky girls? we gots boobies and hips those very skinny model types? theyre lucky if they have enough chest to create a small bump under their clothes, and enough hips to fill out a pair of pants. we look like real women, they look like gangly starved boys. love your curves!

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