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Level -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/15/2007 5:40:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Level, i believe my heart disease was caused by both genetics and cholesterol. my father had his first bypass in 82 and found out that what he was doing wasn't working in 88. He changed to a low fat and low cholesterol diet and had his second bypass in 2000. He is now 84. i have seen diet and exercise work for him. i have also seen genetics play a part with high cholesterol in my big brother who had a heart attack and double bypass at 37. i had my quintuple based on high cholesterol. i have seen what has worked for my father based on low fat and low cholesterol and nothing dealing with carbs. i think the jury is still out on whether that has any beneficial health effects. i know alot of my problems are genetic. minnetar Yes, genetics play a big part of our health. It's part of why I have diabetes [8\|]. And one thing I'm sure of, eating the ADA recommended diet would tee-totally screw my blood sugars up.

Level -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/15/2007 5:42:58 PM)
Here's a link (I hope lol) to an older thread on Atkins, some good info there. http://www.collarchat.com/m_4114/mpage_1/key_atkins%252Cdiet/tm.htm

minnetar -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/15/2007 6:13:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Level, i believe my heart disease was caused by both genetics and cholesterol. my father had his first bypass in 82 and found out that what he was doing wasn't working in 88. He changed to a low fat and low cholesterol diet and had his second bypass in 2000. He is now 84. i have seen diet and exercise work for him. i have also seen genetics play a part with high cholesterol in my big brother who had a heart attack and double bypass at 37. i had my quintuple based on high cholesterol. i have seen what has worked for my father based on low fat and low cholesterol and nothing dealing with carbs. i think the jury is still out on whether that has any beneficial health effects. i know alot of my problems are genetic. minnetar Yes, genetics play a big part of our health. It's part of why I have diabetes [8\|]. And one thing I'm sure of, eating the ADA recommended diet would tee-totally screw my blood sugars up. Level, You have to consult with a physician to see if it is in alignment with your specific medical problems. i have seen on a long term basis that low cholesterol and low fat are right. i have seen my dad have a low fat low cholesterol diet - he had a triple bypass in 82 and a quadruple in 2000 and is healthy as hell. He is in better condition than i am and is 84. To me that proves a diet that works. Like i said my concern is about your health and what might be best for you. minnetar

Level -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/15/2007 6:19:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Level, i believe my heart disease was caused by both genetics and cholesterol. my father had his first bypass in 82 and found out that what he was doing wasn't working in 88. He changed to a low fat and low cholesterol diet and had his second bypass in 2000. He is now 84. i have seen diet and exercise work for him. i have also seen genetics play a part with high cholesterol in my big brother who had a heart attack and double bypass at 37. i had my quintuple based on high cholesterol. i have seen what has worked for my father based on low fat and low cholesterol and nothing dealing with carbs. i think the jury is still out on whether that has any beneficial health effects. i know alot of my problems are genetic. minnetar Yes, genetics play a big part of our health. It's part of why I have diabetes [8\|]. And one thing I'm sure of, eating the ADA recommended diet would tee-totally screw my blood sugars up. Level, You have to consult with a physician to see if it is in alignment with your specific medical problems. i have seen on a long term basis that low cholesterol and low fat are right. i have seen my dad have a low fat low cholesterol diet - he had a triple bypass in 82 and a quadruple in 2000 and is healthy as hell. He is in better condition than i am and is 84. To me that proves a diet that works. Like i said my concern is about your health and what might be best for you. minnetar What happened to agreeing to disagree?? [:D] What about those that eat virtually no carbs, and high fat, and live long lives? What about the French? The Innuits? And not all physicians know their head from a hole in the ground lol...... not all of them got "A"s, you know...

boundkitty -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/15/2007 6:44:47 PM)
As a BBW I would like to respond to all this: Do I think society should encourage BBWism? No. What society needs to encourage is being fit and healthy, and to be tolerant of the fact that people come in different sizes. I am 5'10 and big boned. At my most fit, I will never achieve a size 12. What I am working toward is a size 18 who is fit and toned, without the bulges and rolls. After a lot of work, I am finally starting to like myself for who I am, not what I weigh. I know that I my outlook will improve with weight loss and my body being reshaped through execercise. Because of knee problems that I was born with, there are exercise machines I can't use and things I can't do, so I try to find ways around them. You can be a BBW. You can be happy with yourself at any size. Being fit and healthy and happy is more important than what you weigh or what your dress size is.

minnetar -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/15/2007 6:50:15 PM)
Level no you didn't diss physicians. Yes i know some are clueless. i am just not sure whether we have had enough studies to prove the Atkins diet is healthy. i know what i have seen work in my family for almost 20 years and proven healthy. lmao my dad's cardiologist can attest to that if you need proof. Like i said my dad is probably healthier than i am and i am 47. minnetar

MzMia -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/15/2007 7:02:49 PM)
2 more pages to go! [sm=crop.gif]

Level -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/16/2007 3:16:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Level no you didn't diss physicians. Yes i know some are clueless. i am just not sure whether we have had enough studies to prove the Atkins diet is healthy. i know what i have seen work in my family for almost 20 years and proven healthy. lmao my dad's cardiologist can attest to that if you need proof. Like i said my dad is probably healthier than i am and i am 47. minnetar I've found that most people feel better after agreeing with me [:D].

Level -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/16/2007 3:45:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia 2 more pages to go! [sm=crop.gif] Do you think we'll make it? lol

bandit25 -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/16/2007 3:49:26 AM)
This damn thread is still going on? OMG! Here's what I don't understand...why would someone even post a question like this?

Level -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/16/2007 4:04:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bandit25 This damn thread is still going on? OMG! Here's what I don't understand...why would someone even post a question like this? Morning, bandit. Hell, I can't even remember the original OP [:D]

Level -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/16/2007 5:00:32 AM)
Always worth posting this link: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E2D61F3EF934A35754C0A9649C8B63&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=1

johntom571 -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/23/2007 9:44:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass quote: ORIGINAL: johntom571 quote: ORIGINAL: welshwmn3 There's scientific studies now that are pointing to those 'fat' people being more healthy than skinny people. So, we should maybe get the skinny ones to a doctor and get them on diets to fatten them up a bit so they aren't so sick anymore? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070510/ap_on_he_me/thin_fat_people_7;_ylt=Ah2DIcxTC_wpbPBT_YiTPiYE1vAI sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not what the article is about. it's about the respective risk associated with dieting and exercise as weight control measures. the majority of studies I am aware of point toward excess weight as a contributor to all sorts of health problems, from arthritis to heart disease to back pain, when compared to average weight persons. When compared to morbidly skinny waifs, all bets are off. JohnTom Did you actually read the article? Unless my link took me somewhere different, the article was about people who appear thin on the outside but actually have dangerous levels of fat on the inside around their vital organs and are thus just as unhealthy or worse than people who carry their fat on the surface. The mention of diet and exercise was in regards to the study finding that people who control their weight with diet but not exercise tend to have this "thin outside fat inside" problem whereas people who exercise do not. actually i did read the article. what i got out of it mostly is an interesting disclaimer, and I quote" quote: " Because many factors contribute to heart disease, Teichholz says it's difficult to determine the precise danger of internal fat — though it certainly doesn't help." IOW, though it is postulated that internal fat might be hazardous, there isn't the clear cut connection between it and poor health, such as has been demonstrated over and over again for external fat. Nor has there been a connection shown to exist between internal fat and exercise or the lack thereof. So, it does not support the claim that " 'fat' people be actually more healthy than skinny people" (quoting your original post). I hope this clarifies the issue. JohnTom

ocilla -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (6/20/2007 12:17:12 PM)
To the OP - just like most in the healthcare industry you clearly do not get it. If it was a matter of shame or public pressure alone that would change how much someone weights then we would all be the insurance standard proper weight. Being obese is much much more complex than you think - just as being into kink or BDSM or D/s is much more complex than most folks realize. One should never have to wait till they are perfect in everyway to appreciate what attributes they have and to be able to feel sexy and desirable. In fact - those issues are often rolled up in the complexity of obesity. Your accusation of flaunt is highly suspect - a person knowing who they are and not being ashamed of who they are and knowing that many find even their imperfections attractive is not flaunting. I participate in a number of BBW groups and sites and never hear flaunting - but hear a lot of folks working hard to be present and lovable and active in relationships of all kinds - and quite aware that being in relationships of all kinds is part of being healthy. How about putting your focus instead on shifting the insurance industry to provide weight loss support or coverage for folks who are over weight for that matter. I am a sole practitioner and even when less than 100 over ideal wieght cannot get coverage. How fucked up is that? Or how about going into research or other areas that have not advanced or kept pace - last time I visited a nutritionist - considered one of the best and often seen on CNN - I notticed that her degree was in home economics (the default degree for women of a certain age in the South) and like every other trip to the nutritionist the session consisted of a display of plastic food samples and dieting tips. Extremely unimaginative and impractical guidance - for instance if giving a diet to someone should'nt it be structured such that you can actually purchase the quanitites needed without having to buy lots of items that will only be partially used during the course of the prescribed menu. Duh. And the nutritionists tend to talk to you like you are a child - completely unable to grasp the psychological issues - plus they just seem like the least intelligent folks I tend to meet in the medical profession. We have only just barely begun to untangle eating disorders and the majority of the study has been on anorexia and bulimia. The relationship to addiction has been thoroughly correlated and yet one cannot go on the wagon when it comes to food. Jenny Craig, Weight Watchers etc are not the same kind of thing but really one of the most finanicailly robust industries in the US. I have not been around here at CM for very long and I am dissapointed to hear that this is a recurring theme in the posts and what some of the responses have been to BBW's. I would have thought this would be a more understanding, accepting and even appreciative forum. If you really want to understand and can behave yourself go check out sites like Large Friends to get a dose of what it is like from the other side of the equation. It would not be considered an epedemic if it were easily correctable. Your posting this is equivalent to a bible thumper coming and discussing the sin and morality of BDSM. Not good form on your part. It is judgemental and beside the point. What od expect to accomplish with your post? The ousting of all BBW's from cm? Overwhelming support that BBW's should be ostracized till they comply with your definition of health (note National Association of Fat Acceptance can back up the scientific research about health and obesity). Sure there are some issues but there are also lots of issues with being underweight too and the definition of where healthy ranges are is hotly disputed. Shaking my head in dismay.

LotusSong -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (6/20/2007 12:27:35 PM)
To me, BBW can mean either Big Beautiful Woman or Big Bulgy Woman. There is a big difference between "curves" and "rolls"

MistressNoName -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (6/20/2007 12:48:15 PM)
Chrissake, can we lay this topic to rest, already?? Why does anyone care who calls themselves BBW, BHM or whatever? If you don't like fat people, terrific...good for you! If you don't like the term BBW...so what? But 18 pages and 356 posts now on the topic is overkill! Don't tell me anyone is concerned about our health! This thread is all about bashing fat people and certain people wanting to decide for everyone what beauty is. And for the life of me, I cannot understand why it's so damned difficult for people to just let people be. MNN

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (6/20/2007 1:05:08 PM)
It'sssssssssssssssssss Baaaaaaaaaaack

FelinePersuasion -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (6/20/2007 1:15:22 PM)
that is so true, I broke both my ankles , and consequently they swell and I went into the doctor for a knee problem and I mentioned my ankle hurt and is swelled, he said no that's not swelling that's exsess fat. Well I know it's swelling cause they're not normally like the state they were in when I went in.[ quote: ORIGINAL: Level And not all physicians know their head from a hole in the ground lol...... not all of them got "A"s, you know...

ManInTheBox -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (6/20/2007 1:38:01 PM)
No one knows what's healthy for people and what's not. In our lifetime the declaration on whether milk and eggs were good or bad have changed like...half a dozen times. Everyone's body is different, therefore everyone needs and can tolerate different things to preserve their health. Of course there are some things that are general such as water and vitamins =/ Also fat people are different. Some people are fat because of their build or because of a medical condition. People that are fat because they frequent McDonalds are a different story. On the other hand, there is the other extreme. I'm sure people who are talking about fat people being healthier than skinny people are talking about the anorexicly thin people of the world. Malnurishment is obviously bad no matter what way you look at it. 100 pounds over your body weight however buts strain on your heart and other parts of your body and might be just as extreme as anorexic people. No one can really know for sure

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (6/20/2007 2:18:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNoName Don't tell me anyone is concerned about our health! This thread is all about bashing fat people and certain people wanting to decide for everyone what beauty is. And for the life of me, I cannot understand why it's so damned difficult for people to just let people be. Because for many people, this is a fetish/fantasy web site where the come to enduldge. Look MNN.... did it ever occur to you that some of the more vicious anti fat posts come from fat people posing as something else? That some BBW's who complain are masochists who thrive on the humiliation and put downs that follow their posts??? Why must you step on their kink?

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