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TheHeretic -> The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 9:25:29 AM)

         I had the same fwd e-mail show up in my box three times this last week.  It was one of those stories that keeps rolling, no matter how often debunked, of an 11 year old girl who killed a couple of armed intruders with Daddy's shotgun, while home alone.  Somebody did a "reply all" with a link to Snopes, but it won't stop the thing.

       It's a hot topic around here right now.  A man was murdered in town this week.  Husband, father of three, younger than I am, heard something downstairs a bit after midnight and was shot and killed when he went to investigate.  The house where it happened is right around the corner, by local standards, in a better neighborhood than I live in.  Details are in short supply so far.  The unanswered question is; was it a random act, or did the victim live a life that made such a thing more likely?`  Either way, I bet the local gun stores are doing brisk business today and a lot of larger dogs in the pound will find homes.

    The e-mail is bunk, but sends a message of comfort all the same, "These things don't have to happen."

    It got me thinking about how people react to tragedy.  When I was driving big trucks, I'd pass the scene of a bad accident, sometimes before the guys with the yellow sheets got there, and I would always be trying to puzzle out how it happened, who screwed up and how, so I could tell myself, "that wouldn't happen to me."

     Is this how you deal with tragedy?  How do you handle explaining it to the ____'s, if they are in the car?

    Let's not do guns again, ok?




cjenny -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 9:37:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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   The e-mail is bunk, but sends a message of comfort all the same, "These things don't have to happen."

   It got me thinking about how people react to tragedy.  When I was driving big trucks, I'd pass the scene of a bad accident, sometimes before the guys with the yellow sheets got there, and I would always be trying to puzzle out how it happened, who screwed up and how, so I could tell myself, "that wouldn't happen to me."

    Is this how you deal with tragedy?  How do you handle explaining it to the ____'s, if they are in the car?

   Let's not do guns again, ok?


When I see a bad accident I do something weird (for me it is weird). I send out a prayer, hoping that this particular potential tragedy doesn't destroy families or loved ones. I am not a believer in God, I just sorta send out a hope to 'somewhere'.
Luckily I haven't had to explain to a little one how and what the accident means, I don't know what I would say actually.
Messages of comfort.. can be a good thing or they can feel utterly false and empty.




Level -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 9:44:16 AM)

I no longer say "that couldn't be me", Rich, and the only comfort I find right now is that of the handful of people that love me, and that of my faith. Even if that last one is a myth, at the very least, when I go on, if nothing else, there'll be peace, at last.




Level -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 10:28:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

I no longer say "that couldn't be me", Rich, and the only comfort I find right now is that of the handful of people that love me, and that of my faith. Even if that last one is a myth, at the very least, when I go on, if nothing else, there'll be peace, at last.


Okay, Level, kinda morbid there [>:]. (Oh look, he's talking to himself LOL)




bandit25 -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 10:31:36 AM)

Ya think?  Jeez, Level, go for a walk and look at all the beautiful things this world holds.  Give yourself a hug from me.




TheHeretic -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 10:36:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level


Okay, Level, kinda morbid there



       Don't go scaring us guy, this board needs all the rational people it can get.




Level -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 10:39:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

Ya think?  Jeez, Level, go for a walk and look at all the beautiful things this world holds.  Give yourself a hug from me.


Okaaay, but that means I'd be talking to and hugging myself...... keep the guys with nets away, bandit. [;)]

Seriously, you're right, the world is wonderful, and all is well.




Level -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 10:40:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Level


Okay, Level, kinda morbid there



      Don't go scaring us guy, this board needs all the rational people it can get.


Exactly, my friend. We'll be here a while longer [;)].

Okay, I'm interested in how others answer your questions, Rich, it's a solid thread.




bandit25 -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 10:41:39 AM)

Hey...we're all about kink here, right?  So, ya got a little self love going on.  It's all good.




Vendaval -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 10:46:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

   It got me thinking about how people react to tragedy.  When I was driving big trucks, I'd pass the scene of a bad accident, sometimes before the guys with the yellow sheets got there, and I would always be trying to puzzle out how it happened, who screwed up and how, so I could tell myself, "that wouldn't happen to me."

It is human nature to want to control the outcome of our lives.
I find it quite sensible to plan for the worst and hope for the best.

Is this how you deal with tragedy? 

I recognize the frailty of life and the chaos of change.
To paraphrase an old saying,
"There, but for the grace of (whatever you believe in) I could go".

How do you handle explaining it to the ____'s, if they are in the car?

In dealing with the unmentionables, I vary the approach depending
upon their age and ability to understand and need for security.
 
I would acknowledge that bad things do happen and that their
caretakers love and protect them as best they can.
 
These are thought provoking subject for a Saturday, Rich,
my prayers for that family in your town.
 
 
Vendaval





KeirasSecret -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 11:35:04 AM)

Something just as tragic, in a different way, happened here recently. I have quite a few angry neighbors right now. Although equally not impressed with the situation, I have refrained from joining in with the "posse for justice".  
 
Two reasons:
 
First, my mind automatically starts looking for what good came out of it, and that is what I focus on.  Unfortunately, in this case it isn’t hard to find.
 
Second, I’m a firm believer in Karma, I’ve seen it. I have found, that Karma has a much better way of taking care of things, while my involvement is more likely to interfere.
 
k  




swtnsparkling -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 12:21:19 PM)

This turned out so long- sorry I've changed, I never  think " it'll never happen to me" anymore. Now it is- Yes that could very well happen to me. A friends father pass's away- I sincerely feel sympathy for her, I don't know she can handled it, I haven't lost a parent and of course it wont happen to me because my parents aren't ill   mom's young   dad's young. There are people much older than I and there parents in late 80's still going strong.  I was in my 40's before I lost my last grandparent- my daughter even had time to know them. Then that day out of the blue Happens, find out mom is rushed to the ER.Heart Failure/Stroke- ok  but she is going to fine- she is awake and although slightly paralyzed on one side and slurred words she is talking to us she is 64. Middle  of the night 2nd stroke/massive. Dr's say no brain function she is on a respirator- she is never getting better. No no, she was talking to me today- this can't be happening to me.She is taken off the respirator and passes quietly on Easter morning. My daughter- her granddaughter is 9 yrs old. 9! and her grandmother is gone. My daughter will never have those special times with her grandmother that I had for 40 yrs. Mom will never see her grown up graduate and have children. 3 yrs Later  called at work. Dad is dead. Sitting on couch night before watching TV has a heart attack and falls to the floor where he found that morning he is 72.  WTF is going on, no freakin way! this can't be happening to me I cant breathe I just loose it. What couldn't happen to me happened  twice My parents so young. Its not fair- doesn't make any sense and why them?  so n so's  mom and dad are in ill health much older and still alive. I actually find myself wishing it were them and not mine. ( how horrible a thought) Because of these two ( couldn't happen to me) deaths. my thinking started "don't ever say it cant happen to you because it can". So here comes the really weird shit,  yup I'm a odd duck in my thinking at times. My daughter, most important person in my life. She goes on a class trip whale watch.Yes I think it is wonderful for her and I hope she has fun. But she's on my mind., that trip is on my mind, those other classmates are on my mind.  What if- some classmates begin to rough house around ( you know like kids do) she gets bumped into and falls overboard. Or what if she is standing alone some where on that boat and slips falls over.  paranoid, I cant help but think of the "what if's" or the "cant happen to me" School trip again trekking thought the woods- what if she gets separated from the class. She's staying with her aunt and uncle in NH for a week. At night I jump out of bed and answer the phone- dial tone- phone never rang. Another night I hear her calling me I go to the door and open it.  No one is there. Hub tells me to stop worrying  I'm going to make myself nuts, she is fine. He even chuckles a bit and thinks I'm funny.   Now here is the weird shit my thinking: because I worried  so much about her and those ( I know paranoid thoughts) those  "what if's" no way "cant happen to me" thoughts were so strong- because I was aware that yes indeed at any time anything could happen- I actually kept her safe. Like I had some how blocked any of that from reaching her.  I know I'm weird. And this is so much longer than I had planned on for an answer. But's That's my way of dealing with The "it cant happen to me" is not a myth of comfort for me - it keeps me more aware because I know it's reality and because of that- it cant happen to me LOL




Quivver -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 12:27:51 PM)

I've often wondered who are those people that live such Charmed lives thinking things the bad things wont happen to them.  Is there really a segment of society who is immune?  Or are they simply quiet when bad things happen and not share it all the while keeping us in the dark?  Maybe they can move on quicker, forget while still looking forward, I dont know... but if it's any of those talents I would sure like to build them myself! 

But, to answer your question.  When I see bad things I send a blessing through (god, mother nature, grandfather, budda, alah or who ever)  but I also follow it with a huge thank you that somehow I escaped that one.  .....  when wee people are with me, I try to find a lesson in it that possibly they can grasp. 




TheHeretic -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 3:29:30 PM)

      Thanks for the replies.

     That's the thing, it absolutely can happen.  Telling yourself otherwise is a lie.  Perhaps one that gives some comfort, but a lie just the same.  Drunks run red lights, surgeons slip, I don't keep a loaded gun next to me on the couch when the dog is out in the yard.  Tragedy touches when and where it will.

     The myths are just a defense mechanism that some of us use to function.




gypsygrl -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 4:00:39 PM)

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The myths are just a defense mechanism that some of us use to function.


Heh.  I often say that its denial that gets me through the day.

If I stop to think about how things really are, I'd be crushed with the heaviness of it all.

But, to answer the op, I try to be respectful in the face of other people's tragedy.  Its all around me and I know I'm no different from the people who live next door or accross the street.  We've all got our stories to tell and each one's worse than the next.  If the shits not hitting my fan, its just a bit of luck and circumstance and I can be pretty sure that at some point it will.  Rough justice.

With my um's, I assure them that no matter what happens, I'll keep them safe.  Its a lie because I know that I'm not all powerful, but I think its a lie  that's worth telling. 




Sanity -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 4:07:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl
With my um's, I assure them that no matter what happens, I'll keep them safe.  Its a lie because I know that I'm not all powerful, but I think its a lie  that's worth telling. 


I tell mine that if I can't be there for any reason (and I am honest with her about what I mean) she will be okay, because the world is full of people who will take perfectly good care of her, and I know that it is. You see, her Grandpa passed away only a few years back, and so she knows that it happens, and we talk about it. Her Grandma will probably go next, and she knows it. To me, it's just a part of life, and that is what I teach her. Life is short, and it's magical in part because it is so fleeting...




slaveluci -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 4:10:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

That's the thing, it absolutely can happen.  Telling yourself otherwise is a lie.  Perhaps one that gives some comfort, but a lie just the same.  Drunks run red lights, surgeons slip, I don't keep a loaded gun next to me on the couch when the dog is out in the yard.  Tragedy touches when and where it will.
The myths are just a defense mechanism that some of us use to function.
Absolutely.  Tragedy strikes where it will and there is no rhyme or reason.  i don't go around scared of things, afraid that at any moment something bad is going to happen.  But, in the back of my mind, there is always that awareness that it can. 
 
i am very into reading about "true crime."  After years of reading every book i can get my hands on, i have come to a very morbid conclusion.  Those books are full of innocent victims.  People who got up one day, left their home (or who maybe even didn't), and the next thing they knew they were kidnapped, tortured, raped or killed.  No one EVER wakes up and thinks, "Gee, today i'm going to be the next victim of some psycho."  Everyone knows there are such victims but no one ever thinks it's going to be them.  Yet, then they are.  That's just the most clear-cut example i always think of when it comes to tragedy.  It just shows me that something totally unforseen can happen and often does.  So i guess the best thing to do is just live everyday like it could be your last.  Wow, cheery subject[:o]................luci






curiousexplorer -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 4:22:29 PM)

"The unanswered question is; was it a random act, or did the victim live a life that made such a thing more likely?`  Either way, I bet the local gun stores are doing brisk business today and a lot of larger dogs in the pound will find homes. "

That is an excellent question. Another excellent question is where did the shooter get their gun? Also will any of the guns purchased with fear now be used for a similar crime in the future? Or how many of these new gun buyers will end up shooting themselves or a family member?
With the guns and dogs being snapped up, I wonder how many locks and security systems will be sold, how much money will be raised to boost police numbers/performance or how many community watch style organisations will form?

"and I would always be trying to puzzle out how it happened, who screwed up and how, so I could tell myself, "that wouldn't happen to me."
    Is this how you deal with tragedy?  How do you handle explaining it to the ____'s, if they are in the car? "

I deal with it by simply feeling lucky I wasn't involved. Of course it could happen to me as easily as anyone else, but it didn't, so move on and hope if/when it does happen to me I at least don't see it coming. Pretty much the same as seeing other countries/cultures and considering myself in the group of luckiest people in the world, to be born in Australia.
Explaining to others in the car? Not a bridge I'm likely to cross, so one I'd have to work out if it ever happened depending on the level of understanding of those involved, and how they were raised. Some learn about death and no magic cloud man watching over them to save them from the randomness of existence very early, others merely need to be told the right story. Afterlives make it very difficult for death to be upsetting, at least for those who actually believe their stories.

" and that of my faith. Even if that last one is a myth, at the very least, when I go on, if nothing else, there'll be peace, at last. "

It's a shame you didn't pick a myth which could give you some peace while you are alive, you know, when you could use it.

"Second, I’m a firm believer in Karma, I’ve seen it. "

Interesting. Is that the instant karma which seems to miss so many people, or the next life atonement karma which you can only experience through reincarnation?
Being a firm believer in karma is great if it gives you peace of mind, but it doesn't help anyone else in daily life without proof it exists, especially when there is abundantent evidence that it doesn't exist except in the minds of it's bellievers.
Karma is actually a concept for crowd control. The powerful, and smart, do what they like not believing the masses mythologies anyway. The masses accept whatever treatment their rulers dish out because they believe their rulers will be punished in the next life. They don't strike out against their rulers as how they handle adversity effects their progress in the next life, striking out is worse than inflicting misery. So the more beaten and accepting you are, the better the next life will be. Whether you like it or not, you've got to give credit to the people who maintained these systems to enslave populations, it is very effective.

"What if- some classmates begin to rough house around ( you know like kids do) she gets bumped into and falls overboard. Or what if she is standing alone some where on that boat and slips falls over.  paranoid, I cant help but think of the "what if's" or the "cant happen to me" School trip again trekking thought the woods- what if she gets separated from the class."

Sorry to add to your worries, but what if she slips in the shower, falls unconscious blocking the drain and drowns? I knew a girl this happened to. The home can be a very dangerous place.

"those  "what if's" no way "cant happen to me" thoughts were so strong- because I was aware that yes indeed at any time anything could happen- I actually kept her safe. Like I had some how blocked any of that from reaching her.  I know I'm weird."

It's not wierd, you want to control the bad things, and be ready to fix whatever goes wrong. But it is an illusion of control. Not only can you never control everything which may harm your daughter, but your not even looking at all the possibilities. It's probably an unconscious recognition of not being able to do anything, you only imagine something going wrong at events, not everyday. Class trips, staying with family, not internal unnoticed medical problems or household accidents, which are probably more likely than being pushed off the boat on a class trip. Again it is about the illusion of control.
And another thing to consider, how does constant worrying effect your physical and mental capacity? Could excessive worrying led to an oversight which created a dangerous situation?

"I've often wondered who are those people that live such Charmed lives thinking things the bad things wont happen to them. "

I wonder the same thing about people and their thoughts on religion. I think the two are very similar delusions.




Level -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 4:42:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: curiousexplorer

" and that of my faith. Even if that last one is a myth, at the very least, when I go on, if nothing else, there'll be peace, at last. "

It's a shame you didn't pick a myth which could give you some peace while you are alive, you know, when you could use it.



Of course, you and I will have to disagree on whether or not it's a myth I'm placing my faith in. And my lack of peace is my own doing, though I have gotten quite a bit of peace from my belief in God.




swtnsparkling -> RE: The Comfort of Myth (5/12/2007 5:57:19 PM)

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but your not even looking at all the possibilities. It's probably an unconscious recognition of not being able to do anything, you only imagine something going wrong at events, not everyday. Class trips, staying with family, not internal unnoticed medical problems or household accidents,


Oh I have thought of everyday things as well. In the tub for hours- did she fall asleep and slide under the water? lol no she loves long long bathes. Haven't seen her come out of her room all day its 6pm- is she still breathing?  Oh yeah fully engrossed in a new book she cant pull herself away from.
See I have thought of every day life and because I have - Ive kept her safe.
I'm not going to say any of my thinking is right. I know its a strange way to deal but it's worked for me. She has also had 2 back surgeries.
She is almost 20- beautiful, brillant,healthy.
I don't worry like I used to when she was younger, not to that extent. Those were the hardest years.
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And another thing to consider, how does constant worrying effect your physical and mental capacity?
worry didnt harm me in any way- it kept me in tune, aware, more observant parts of a job I love- being a mom.
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 Could excessive worrying led to an oversight which created a dangerous situation?
I suppose it could- But it never happened for us.





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