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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 4:12:34 AM   
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As much as I detest Rev. Phelps and his ways, I still do not think free speech is a bad thing.  The things he says SHOULD have the bright light of day and logic shined on them.  His demented ego centric insanity is quickly and easily evident.  Its much better than it quietly, stealthily seeping into the public consciousness.  Sure, what he has to say may sicken you.  Good.  It should.  Better than to continue in the belief that there are not people this sadly delusional in the world and that this sort of mentality is not something we have to be on guard about.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 4:31:35 AM   
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agirl, how does the word indoctrinate offend ? I meant no offence. But I do believe I used the correct word, we may have to agree to disagree. So be it.




Hello Termyn8or,

You used the correct word and I was agreeing with you. I may have expressed my thoughts badly.

Indoctrinating children into religion offends me.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 6:01:24 AM   
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It wouldn't be much of a Constitution if it only protected speech or conduct that was inoffensive.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 6:22:55 AM   
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We can't deny that free speech is going to produce things that we would rather not hear, that even offend us mightily, such as the hate, delusions and disrespect this particular person spews.

That being said, how ironic and so very just, that this zealots hate....has only fueled peoples love and respect for our soldiers and one another by causing groups like the  Patriot Guard  Riders to form.   I've been brought to tears on more than one occasion when seeing clips of them forming a protective, non violent,  human barrier between the zealots and the mourners.

Edited to add the link to the Patriots
http://www.patriotguard.org/AboutUs/OurHistory/tabid/145/Default.aspx

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 7:09:08 AM   
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Yeah the PGR rides have been a real good thing. They have been to several services up here in maine and a few politicians are memebers as well. As for Phelps getting really out there and his followers leaving not likely. WBC is made up of immediate family, extended family, and like minded individuals.

The church is a part of the Phelps family home. Many of the parishoners live in close proximaty. Personally idon't think i would care nearly as much but there are children invovled in this. I don't know if they have the picture on the site still but the kids are wearing WBC's shirts. And theses are not simple everyday shirts these are bright tie dye shits with big bold letter stating GOD HATE FAGS.

Now here is my thing more than anything i want them shut up BEFORE someone really gets violent and forgets there are children invovled in their parent's crap and get hurt as well. As I said out of his numerous children, only 3 have turned away from him because they refuse to deny the hell he put them through as kids as the rest do. The man pushed his wife down the stairs and over the banister and then denied her the surgery needed to fix her should problems.

Aparently most of his kids and a few members of the flock have their bar licenses so they will not be messing up anytime soon. They will just stay on the otherside of the line.

my extra two cents

Its not just the expression its the manner and way they express it that fuels my fire. They have the right to those opinion but when they target grieving families and use children to hold their signs up makign them lil targets. THEN there is a big problem.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 7:15:41 AM   
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phelps method is NOT free speech it is harrassment.

for what it is worth PA has already began the procews of making a law.  on this. basically- let teh dead rest in peace. how hard is that??

even still - i find it odd that people buy the "free speech" claim. it is harrassment.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 7:19:05 AM   
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and yet- look at the t-shirt incidents lately. a few have been thrown out due to the t-shirts they wore....

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 8:04:09 AM   
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What's sad is that they came to our town about two years after Hurricane Charley and went to the local high school known for having lots of homosexual kids there. They proceeded to tell those kids that the hurricane was their fault, and that they will never get into heaven if they don't repent. We had to have the police call in back-up because even the straight kids wanted to fight. We have some mean looking homosexuals here, don't let the stereotype fool you. This man is ridiculous, even the local churches hate him because they believe that you should tell the truth "with love". So basically yes, you're going to hell, but in a nice way...whatever.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 8:15:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ClosetSinner

What's sad is that they came to our town about two years after Hurricane Charley and went to the local high school known for having lots of homosexual kids there. They proceeded to tell those kids that the hurricane was their fault, and that they will never get into heaven if they don't repent. We had to have the police call in back-up because even the straight kids wanted to fight. We have some mean looking homosexuals here, don't let the stereotype fool you. This man is ridiculous, even the local churches hate him because they believe that you should tell the truth "with love". So basically yes, you're going to hell, but in a nice way...whatever.


factually north America has always been a land of inclement weather.

this meanspiritedness is the very thing that turn some gays into campy in your face instigzator screammin faoooo type. 

on the otherhand a good bj can be a force similliar to a herricane.

-nevertheless- i think most folks in 2007- would take on the attitude live and let live. as dad once told me- pick your fights carefully.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 9:33:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

It wouldn't be much of a Constitution if it only protected speech or conduct that was inoffensive.


I don't know if the above was directed at my post but I'll add that I have no real idea of what's in the US Constitution.

I don't like the indoctrination of children where religion is concerned, it's a personal thing and the only point I addressed.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 9:43:52 AM   
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My parents raised me to be open minded about new information and to evaluate it on its own merits, rather than to simply, blindly accept what was presented before me, and or that I am grateful, and I share your distaste of indoctrinating children with religious beliefs, agirl.

However, when saying that laws should be changed or that someone should enforce a law againsta situaton that it did nit previously cover, I am ... concerned. Such actions have the ability to backfire.

While in principle I'm against religious indictrination of children, in practice it becomes difficult to create a 'legal' definition of indoctrination that is not fuzzy enough to permit a child to simply learn and be exposed to their parent's religion without crossing such a legal barrier and the parent's become jailed, seperated from their child and fined just because they couldn't afford a babysitter on sundays for a month and had to take the kid to church.

(damn I can't type on a laptop keyboard.)

$0.02,

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 10:14:04 AM   
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Hello Dauric,

I couldn't agree more with all of your points.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 12:27:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: agirl

I don't know if the above was directed at my post but I'll add that I have no real idea of what's in the US Constitution.

I don't like the indoctrination of children where religion is concerned, it's a personal thing and the only point I addressed.

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I would say you have just amply demonstrated that my comment couldn't have been directed at you.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 1:14:09 PM   
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Vend, hang on one sec.......

agirl, how does the word indoctrinate offend ? I meant no offence. But I do believe I used the correct word, we may have to agree to disagree. So be it.

V, so you lay in wait until he does something to shut him down ? Is that your wish ?

Do you have the desire to silence hjim ? If so that is wrong. Let him spew his bullshit, in fact let him get more radical so his followers leave him, but don't silence him.

I am going to go out on a limb here, and I don't want to alieanate anyone, but I will give my opinion. Let's see how this gets taken.

Homosexuality is wrong. It is not wrong because of any bible or bullshit, or that some people think it is gross. It is wrong because it does not produce offspring and is not conducive to human life. I think homosexuals have a trait, a characteristic that some would define as a defect, but we do not know it is not nature's way of selection of some sort. Homosexuals are not bad or evil, these concepts are actually foreign to me, somewhat. They need to live their lives in the way the see fit, and you only go round once.

Do I think it is right ? No. Fact. And I do judge, but there are factors not yet brought into the mix. Personally I do not describe it as a defect. Perhaps an abberation, but it is their preference. If they engage in this, they will not contribute to the biomass, but so what. Perhaps this abberation is actually the human race's response to extant conditions.

There are indeed too many people in the world, in a way homosexuality helps us. If the world's population were say one billion, we would want to encourage as much heterosexual copulation as possible. But then what of us who delve into deviant sex acts ? I mean including oral sex, sex with toys, whatever. All of it will not result in an offspring, so many of us are just as guilty if there is any guilt to be had.

So if you believe these religious assholes I guess somehow you must have normal sex only with your Wife, never jack off, never eat her out, and somehow impregnate her without incurring any pleasure, for either of you. Can you smell Puritan ?

Y'know, even though it goes against my nature, at least my preferences, if they keep this shit up I might just go bi, just to say "Go fuck yourself" to these assholes. I doubt it, but I am one of those people you do not dare.

How about we mobilize a movement to educate people about what religion really is, a control method. The Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door. Actually I am pleasant with them, reason being is that they are trying to do good. They might be misled, but I have seen them do nothing against Christian teachings.

This reverend fuckhead here, on the other hand. What happened to do unto others as you would have them do unto you ? And perhaps that is precisely what should happen.

And we got something they don't, BRAINS. We can do this without hate, we don't need blood on the street.

Let me tell yall this, a threat is supposed to be a deterrent. Carrying out the threat validates the deterrent. Exacting revenge for torts like this is supposed to teach. Not to punish.

I am not talking about mowing them down with an AK47, I am talking disrupting their funerals, making it waaaaaaaaay worse, especially for people who may have flown thousands of miles to be there. Fuck that one chance. The last chance. After all, they think it is OK to do that to others.

Get it ? But no anger. No physical hurt. No violence.

What do you think they'll do ? I can tell you, they will prove that we are better than them. They will prove that they are farther from Christianity then us agnostics, atheist etc. Let them prove it. If the cops come, well what happened ?

I cannot stress this enough, you do not raise your hand in anger to anyone when it involves opinion, EVER. EVER. When you do you lose, you admit you lost when you do it.

And you never lie. I do not lie because to lie would be to admit that someone is out there to whom I have to lie. I'll tell you all about what the fuck I am all about. I don't have to lie to anyone except once in a while the government. I don't have to lie to you because you are not more powerful than me. And if you are I will not admit it. See why I do not lie ?

And let me tell you about the rest of it too. Constitution. Yelling FIRE in a crowded theater. Just how much money do you make doing that ?

If you're getting the gist of this you're getting 'result based action'. That is the cause and effect thing which is missing in people's beliefs today, and indeed their lives. Life is exceedingly unfair. It almost seems the harder you work the less you make. Congressmen make how much ? Just what is their work schedule. President having a blow job when he at work ? But that's OK with some people.

How freedom of speech applies is a complicated thing, I will illustrate.
(Mod11, I assure you this is not for real)

Deborah K. Smythe
1670 E. Bottom Rd
Lakewood, NV, 14673
SSN 255-60-8872
DL N15575234
CC 4128-0031-5127-4484
CC 5424-4422-0013-1175
C rating 785 (wow)
LIC DHL7383, red Ford Ranger, 2005.
EMP Till's factory, POS shift manager
EDU Lakewood HS, BIT trade school, ongoing
PH 344-432-6578
CELL 344-667-9987
FAX 344-983-4271

Now folks, I made ALL of that up, but what if it were a real person ? I assure you it is not but what if it were ? I have freedom of speech right ?

Do you get it ? It is a matter of decency. Freedom of speech, well, if Debbie was a real person that would be a most eggregious misuse of free speech, or any type of media. That is unacceptable to me, even the staunch Constitutionalist I am, that violates that person's (if they existed) right to privacy.

If you want to sleep tonight, read no further.

That guy that called you the other day trying to sell you new siding for your house probably has most of that info on the screen when the computer automatically dials your number. He might know how much you owe on it as well, along with your interest rate.

So who are these people who go and disrupt military family's funerals ? Because when their Mom dies, I want to be there to pay my respects. I'll tell them how good her pussy was. I will tear the place up, and I will bring bodygaurds who are literally tough enough to defend without harming.

Try me.

I mean you just don't do that. Try that shit at one of my people's funerals and you are going in the hole too, literally. It may be out of my hands. I mean, my Parents are quite loved by my closer friends, whom I call 'chosen family'. If a Parent of mine dies and we are all at the funeral and someone shows up and disrupts it, I won't lift a finger. I won't have to. They'll pulverize whoever it is, even a group. I would not be able to stop them.

See that is one of the reasons I don't go to my girl in AZ (she is a millionaire), I will not leave this. I try to avoid pity, really, but sometimes....... I see people don't have this, people who work twice as hard physically as me for a third of the money, people who have noone to turn to.

And my friends are tight. They will go to westboro and do my bidding, I know it, I have no doubt. And they are very strong people. I got a couple in mind, I can't afford to send everyone. All I need is names, dates and times. And nothing illegal. I would not ask my chosen family to get in a problem with the law unless the need was very severe, this is not the case here. We got some 60 year old fuckhead who thinks he's a preacher, who has found a critical mass of total assholes. He is nothing to us even with all his money.

You see money cannot defeat money. In the past I have cost an asshole about ½ million dollars in ten minutes. The money means nothing.

I have just realized the immensity of this post, and I kinda apologize for overwhelming you.

T


And this is why crack is illegial...

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/14/2007 11:36:53 PM   
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"And this is why crack is illegial"

Really.

How about alcohol, picture this. This year I have been offered a few times, for free to do the crack and/or coke, and I turned it down. You think I am on crack ? I most likely have a better credit rating than you, and am healthier than you and most likely make more money, LEGALLY, even though I drink like a fish. Actually a fish doesn't drink.

You think I do crack why ? BECAUSE I CAN TYPE ? you come up with a one line quip like that which shows your ignorance. Have you seen me do crack ?

I resent that, and you are nowhere near my intellectual equal, as evidenced by your own  statement. You put your own foot in it, not me.

Now, instead of feeling anger, because I am more advanced intellectually than that, I will revel in my superiority. Thank you MadRabbit. You made my day. I now feel good about myself.

Happy now ?

T

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/15/2007 12:05:54 AM   
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Personally I think these people should get all the air time they can handle.  Every instance where they can show the rest of the world exactly what type of people they are, and exactly how they behave, I believe only goes to hurt them.  Sure it's offensive, and if they keep on offending the majority of the people, eventualy their groups will dwindle.  Lets face it, would you rather have your neighbor to secretly to believe as this guy does, or would you rather know he is a nut job, and take the approiate action, like not trying to associate with him what so ever?  While it might be more tasteful to hide them away, out of sight, out of mind, that is a dangerous way to go. 

With freedom of speech, there is no hiding.  When a person believes in their heart a fundamental truth about the universe, they have that need to shout it out.  Personally I like that, since it helps me weed out the whack jobs :) 

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/15/2007 1:14:25 AM   
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sorokahdeen,
I choose my words carefully and keep in mind their context writing the sentence. Brevity is the key to communication.

I shall parse your exhibits:

caesar: empire failed
nazi germany: empire failed
stalin: empire failed
tito: empire failed

To elaborate:
pinochet: empire failed
pol pot: empire failed
conte, deby, jinto...

Countries will live on, for they are comprised of people and land. An empire seeks to rule over that which is tactile and therefore subject to the aforementioned polarization. No doctrine has ever been able to assign ownership over dichotomy. It can be, at best, the resolute authority for taxonomists and historians. At worst, it is a personal cock-fight with odds like a bellcurve.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/15/2007 4:33:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"And this is why crack is illegial"

Really.

How about alcohol, picture this. This year I have been offered a few times, for free to do the crack and/or coke, and I turned it down. You think I am on crack ? I most likely have a better credit rating than you, and am healthier than you and most likely make more money, LEGALLY, even though I drink like a fish. Actually a fish doesn't drink.

You think I do crack why ? BECAUSE I CAN TYPE ? you come up with a one line quip like that which shows your ignorance. Have you seen me do crack ?

I resent that, and you are nowhere near my intellectual equal, as evidenced by your own  statement. You put your own foot in it, not me.

Now, instead of feeling anger, because I am more advanced intellectually than that, I will revel in my superiority. Thank you MadRabbit. You made my day. I now feel good about myself.

Happy now ?

T


Very

If this is you not being angry lol, I hate to see you when your angry.

But I will take a minute to respond to your post since you have prompted me.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I am going to go out on a limb here, and I don't want to alieanate anyone, but I will give my opinion. Let's see how this gets taken.

Homosexuality is wrong. It is not wrong because of any bible or bullshit, or that some people think it is gross. It is wrong because it does not produce offspring and is not conducive to human life. I think homosexuals have a trait, a characteristic that some would define as a defect, but we do not know it is not nature's way of selection of some sort. Homosexuals are not bad or evil, these concepts are actually foreign to me, somewhat. They need to live their lives in the way the see fit, and you only go round once.


Okay so you have stated an opinion and provided logic to support that opinion...fair enough.

But then you turn around and compeletely debunk the logic behind the opinion right here...

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
There are indeed too many people in the world, in a way homosexuality helps us. If the world's population were say one billion, we would want to encourage as much heterosexual copulation as possible. But then what of us who delve into deviant sex acts ? I mean including oral sex, sex with toys, whatever. All of it will not result in an offspring, so many of us are just as guilty if there is any guilt to be had.


Or do you mean its ok for people to do wrong things because everyone is doing them?

Which is it? Is homosexuality not wrong because other sexual acts dont produce offspring or is it just ok to do wrong things because everyone does them?

Were you the kid who got smoking pot in the anti drug commericals and went "Well...gee...mom...everyone was doing it..."

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Y'know, even though it goes against my nature, at least my preferences, if they keep this shit up I might just go bi, just to say "Go fuck yourself" to these assholes. I doubt it, but I am one of those people you do not dare.


But clearly you are willing to do something that is wrong to show everyone else how wrong they are.

Moving on...

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Do I think it is right ? No. Fact. And I do judge, but there are factors not yet brought into the mix. Personally I do not describe it as a defect. Perhaps an abberation, but it is their preference. If they engage in this, they will not contribute to the biomass, but so what. Perhaps this abberation is actually the human race's response to extant conditions.



What extant human coniditions?

Homosexuality has been a part of human history since the Greeks who were quite infamous for their sexual relations with slave boys.

Its a bit hard to call something that has been around for the majority of our history an "abberation".

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This reverend fuckhead here, on the other hand. What happened to do unto others as you would have them do unto you ? And perhaps that is precisely what should happen.

And we got something they don't, BRAINS. We can do this without hate, we don't need blood on the street.

Let me tell yall this, a threat is supposed to be a deterrent. Carrying out the threat validates the deterrent. Exacting revenge for torts like this is supposed to teach. Not to punish.

I am not talking about mowing them down with an AK47, I am talking disrupting their funerals, making it waaaaaaaaay worse, especially for people who may have flown thousands of miles to be there. Fuck that one chance. The last chance. After all, they think it is OK to do that to others.


So...your going to teach the lesson of "Do unto others like you would have done unto you"...by doing to them what they have done to other people?

By teaching them that with such a lesson, your basically saying you want them to come and disrupt your funerals because...thats what you did to them?

My mind is spinning.

Its spinning even more when you said carrying out the threat is a deterent to the lesson...then turned right around and talked about carrying out the threat of messing up their funerals.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Get it ? But no anger. No physical hurt. No violence.


Yeah...because theres a lot better ways to get revenge on people then with violence and anger! Like messing up their funerals the say way they did to us. And then they can turn around and mess up our funerals! Its not that its the revenge thats actually the problem, but the means we use to carry out the revenge!

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
What do you think they'll do ? I can tell you, they will prove that we are better than them. They will prove that they are farther from Christianity then us agnostics, atheist etc. Let them prove it. If the cops come, well what happened ?


Yeah...we'll prove we're better then them by doing the exact same things they are doing to us...like messing up their funerals!

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I cannot stress this enough, you do not raise your hand in anger to anyone when it involves opinion, EVER. EVER. When you do you lose, you admit you lost when you do it.


Unless that hand is used to mess up their funerals!

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
And you never lie. I do not lie because to lie would be to admit that someone is out there to whom I have to lie. I'll tell you all about what the fuck I am all about. I don't have to lie to anyone except once in a while the government. I don't have to lie to you because you are not more powerful than me. And if you are I will not admit it. See why I do not lie ?


Doesnt lieing to the government prove there is someone out there you have to lie to...

Oh wait...you just dont admit it when there are more people out there you have to lie to...

Which is...lieing...

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
If you're getting the gist of this you're getting 'result based action'. That is the cause and effect thing which is missing in people's beliefs today, and indeed their lives. Life is exceedingly unfair. It almost seems the harder you work the less you make. Congressmen make how much ? Just what is their work schedule. President having a blow job when he at work ? But that's OK with some people.


Oh I am getting the jist of this...

You mean..."hyprocicy based action"

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
How freedom of speech applies is a complicated thing, I will illustrate.
(Mod11, I assure you this is not for real)

Deborah K. Smythe
1670 E. Bottom Rd
Lakewood, NV, 14673
SSN 255-60-8872
DL N15575234
CC 4128-0031-5127-4484
CC 5424-4422-0013-1175
C rating 785 (wow)
LIC DHL7383, red Ford Ranger, 2005.
EMP Till's factory, POS shift manager
EDU Lakewood HS, BIT trade school, ongoing
PH 344-432-6578
CELL 344-667-9987
FAX 344-983-4271

Now folks, I made ALL of that up, but what if it were a real person ? I assure you it is not but what if it were ? I have freedom of speech right ?

Do you get it ? It is a matter of decency. Freedom of speech, well, if Debbie was a real person that would be a most eggregious misuse of free speech, or any type of media. That is unacceptable to me, even the staunch Constitutionalist I am, that violates that person's (if they existed) right to privacy.

If you want to sleep tonight, read no further.


Another way freedom of speech applies to a complicated thing is with "hate speech" like the Reverands...which is why the judical system decided that such speech wasnt covered by freedom of speech....which is why Vendval is right in wanting to silence him for when he does cross the line he is very clearly dancing around...

Much like the line you have presented in your privacy example...

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
So who are these people who go and disrupt military family's funerals ? Because when their Mom dies, I want to be there to pay my respects. I'll tell them how good her pussy was. I will tear the place up, and I will bring bodygaurds who are literally tough enough to defend without harming.


I can answer that...

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I am not talking about mowing them down with an AK47, I am talking disrupting their funerals, making it waaaaaaaaay worse, especially for people who may have flown thousands of miles to be there. Fuck that one chance. The last chance. After all, they think it is OK to do that to others.


You!

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I mean you just don't do that. Try that shit at one of my people's funerals and you are going in the hole too, literally. It may be out of my hands. I mean, my Parents are quite loved by my closer friends, whom I call 'chosen family'. If a Parent of mine dies and we are all at the funeral and someone shows up and disrupts it, I won't lift a finger. I won't have to. They'll pulverize whoever it is, even a group. I would not be able to stop them.


Sure you do!

As illustrated by your own words here...

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I am not talking about mowing them down with an AK47, I am talking disrupting their funerals, making it waaaaaaaaay worse, especially for people who may have flown thousands of miles to be there. Fuck that one chance. The last chance. After all, they think it is OK to do that to others.










< Message edited by MadRabbit -- 5/15/2007 5:27:29 AM >


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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/16/2007 4:29:58 AM   
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Homosexuality is wrong. It is not wrong because of any bible or bullshit, or that some people think it is gross. It is wrong because it does not produce offspring and is not conducive to human life. I think homosexuals have a trait, a characteristic that some would define as a defect, but we do not know it is not nature's way of selection of some sort. Homosexuals are not bad or evil, these concepts are actually foreign to me, somewhat. They need to live their lives in the way the see fit, and you only go round once.

Do I think it is right ? No. Fact. And I do judge, but there are factors not yet brought into the mix. Personally I do not describe it as a defect. Perhaps an abberation, but it is their preference. If they engage in this, they will not contribute to the biomass, but so what. Perhaps this abberation is actually the human race's response to extant conditions.

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jeez, I guess I'm defective because I didn't have any kids.  What about infertile couples?

Homosexuality's been around for most of recorded history.  Including society's that would just as soon kill them than have them around.  Seems to speak strongly toward a genetic/hormonal attribute.

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RE: Sometimes Free Speech Is a Bad Thing - 5/16/2007 8:35:42 AM   
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i detest the man and his conduct and speech, but i also know he's free to act and speak as he wishes as long as he doesn't cross the line and incite a riot or s'thing.  That's  why Y/you can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.  There are boundaries to free speech.

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