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Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 12:59:21 AM   
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Lieberman Could Defect To GOP Over War
Connecticut Independent's Party Switch Would Wrest Senate Control From Democrats

WASHINGTON, Feb. 22, 2007

Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut told the Politico on Thursday that he has no immediate plans to switch parties, but suggested Democratic opposition to funding the war in Iraq might change his mind.

Lieberman, a registered independent who caucuses with Democrats, has been among the strongest supporters of the war and President Bush’s plan to send another 21,500 combat troops into Iraq to help quell the violence there.

"I have no desire to change parties," Lieberman said in a telephone interview. "If that ever happens, it is because I feel the majority of Democrats have gone in a direction that I don't feel comfortable with."

Asked whether that hasn't already happened with Iraq, Lieberman said: "We will see how that plays out in the coming months" — specifically how the party approaches the issue of continued funding for the war.

He suggested, however, that the forthcoming showdown over new funding could be a deciding factor that would lure him to the Republican Party.


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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 10, 2007

Lieberman Statement Urging Immediate Funding of the Troops

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Senator Joe Lieberman (ID-CT) made the following statement today on the floor of the United States Senate:

Mr. President, in the days ahead, this Congress and the President of the United States face a choice on the critical question of funding our operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is a choice between brinksmanship and statesmanship... a choice between continuing to stalemate largely along partisan lines or uniting across partisan lines in support of our troops.

We all know what our most important responsibility is. Our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are looking to us. They need the funding that only we in Congress can provide them. The money is running out.

I understand that many in this chamber saw the supplemental appropriations bill as an opportunity to force a withdrawal of our troops from Iraq, and that many of us argued vigorously against the amendments that attempted to do that. Each side has now had an opportunity to make its case, and the result is clear: there are not enough votes in Congress to enact a mandatory date for withdrawal of American forces from Iraq. The time for having debates and sending messages on this troop funding bill should be over.

It is time to get our troops the equipment, the training, the supplies they need—and without delay.

We in this chamber have a responsibility to make certain that—no matter what our disagreements and differences here in Washington—our men and women in uniform in Iraq and Afghanistan are not caught in the political crossfire.

Only a couple of months ago, the Senate confirmed a new Commander to implement a new strategy in Iraq, General David Petraeus. That new strategy is now being implemented, and it is achieving some encouraging, if early, signs of success. Indeed, progress has been won even though the full complement of troops has not yet arrived in Iraq.

Yet, now many in Congress would pull the plug on this new strategy and thwart the work of our troops before they are given a fair chance to succeed.

I am aware that public opinion has turned against the war in Iraq. The American people are deeply frustrated by the multiplicity of mistakes and errors that have been made. Progress has been too slow. The savagery of our enemy, which the American people witness on television every night, has been demoralizing. Many simply want to leave and wash our hands of what they perceive as a mess.

But, leadership requires sometimes that we defy public opinion if that is what is necessary to do what is right for our country. In fact, at a time like this, we are required to do what each of us believes is right, and that might not be what is popular.

And what is right, I firmly believe, is that we cannot allow our nation to be defeated in Iraq by the same terrorist enemy with which we are engaged in a world-wide conflict. The global war on terrorism which we are waging is a world-wide struggle against a barbaric totalitarian foe that is Al Qaeda. And today, it is Al Qaeda that we are fighting in Iraq. Al Qaeda itself has declared Iraq to be the central front of their larger war against our way of life.

All of us who are privileged to serve this great country in positions of leadership have a very serious choice to make.

Our judgment can be guided by the polls and we can withdraw in defeat. We can rationalize our action with the reassuring but falsely hopeful words like redeployment. No matter what we say, our enemy will know that America's will has been broken by the barbarity of their blood lust—the very barbarity we declare we are fighting, but from which we would actually be running. Mr. President, my main point is this: Now is not the time for more delay, for prolonged legislative posturing and bargaining over the supplemental appropriations bill. It is the time to do our duty to fund our troops, stand by our allies, and do everything we can to help them win the war against Al Qaeda in Iraq.

Rather than inventing new ways to vent our frustration with the war on Iraq, or with the President by handcuffing General Petraeus and undermining his strategy, let us give him and his troops our support as they and their Iraqi allies fight to win for us.

Thank you, Mr. President. I yield the floor. 

I gotta admit, when Lieberman was the VP candidate with Gore, I didn't think too much of him, because he changed some of the long-held views.  Didn't get him anywhere, and maybe it was a catalyst for him to take a firm stand here.

Wouldn't losing control of the Senate be a kick in the balls for the anti-war Dems?

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 1:21:15 AM   
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"I have no desire to change parties," Lieberman said in a telephone interview. "If that ever happens, it is because I feel the majority of Democrats have gone in a direction that I don't feel comfortable with."

Wow... that is a clear shot across the bow to the Democrat leadership.
 

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 1:58:38 AM   
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Wouldn't that be a hoot if Lieberman was the Vp on the Rep ticket in 08.

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 4:21:29 AM   
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Lieberman's a joke. No-one takes him seriously.

If you'll lie about your PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP AND OBSERVANCE OF THE LORD, what *won't* you lie about.



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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 9:27:23 AM   
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      Somebody sent me the full text of a speech Joe made on the Senate Floor.  Too long to post here (and I may have already deleted it) but it was particularly critical of Sentator Reid's recent remarks.

      Fortunately, the media was kind enough to make sure we all know that switching sides is a perfectly acceptable sort of thing back when Jefferds (sp?) did it a few years ago.

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 9:33:40 AM   
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quote:

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Lieberman's a joke. No-one takes him seriously.


It seems like many voters took him seriously. 

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 10:52:49 AM   
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Well, after Lieberman went to work on SATURDAY FEB 17, and cast a vote on Shabbos, ( despite SAYING he's Observant ) I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

He's a PROVEN hypocritical liar. And no amount of sucking up to people will get Jews to forgive him for lying about being Shomar Shabbos.





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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 10:58:31 AM   
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Well, after Lieberman went to work on SATURDAY FEB 17, and cast a vote on Shabbos, ( despite SAYING he's Observant ) I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

He's a PROVEN hypocritical liar. And no amount of sucking up to people will get Jews to forgive him for lying about being Shomar Shabbos.

Fargle, so that surprises you?
He's a Democrat. They lie.




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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 11:15:45 AM   
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This goes beyond Politics to the essential character of the person.

Joe Lieberman PROVED he was more obedient to his political masters than G-d.

End of discussion. He is UNWORTHY OF RESPECT. Spit on him when you see him.

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 3:14:25 PM   
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He wouldn't campaign for VPOTUS on Shabbos but he will go on the Senate floor to cast a vote? Was he trying to sabotage Gore or is he just a hypocrite?

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 4:21:52 PM   
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Some from column A, Some from column B?

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 4:39:07 PM   
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Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone was particularly critical of Leiberman.

While I dont always agree with what he posts, his comments on Leiberman were spot on.  The man is
a lifelong politician whose approach is to do whatever needs to be done to assure his political future.

At the moment, this involves butt-kissing AnencephalyBoy.  When his own constituency refused to send him
back to Congress, he ran as an Independant. 

http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell63.html

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/l000304/key-votes/

I tend to think he will not be picked as a VP candidate.  The Republicans face the loss of the Presidency unless they can mollycoddle the Religious Right.  I suspect it is going to be McCain or Giuliani (who the RR dont like) with somebody like Brownback (who the rest of the party dont like) who gets picked.

Leiberman is a lovely politician, but he lacks an active constituency of voters. 

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 4:53:17 PM   
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To support this war at this juncture shows a complete lack of understanding...This will be Lieberman's down fall tying in with a president who has rightfully lost all respect.

Call his bluff and let that motherfucker swing in the wind.


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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 6:47:56 PM   
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Libermann is a political opportunist, and he won't switch parties because he has nothing to gain by doing so.  He'll probably get a nice committee assignment as payoff were he to switch, but he could well lose his seat come next election.  Even if he didn't, it would take years for him to earn his wings within the Republican Party.  The way for him to maximize his power is to stay independent, forcing the Democrats and the Republicans to court him.

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 6:58:39 PM   
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Libermann is a political opportunist, and he won't switch parties because he has nothing to gain by doing so.  He'll probably get a nice committee assignment as payoff were he to switch, but he could well lose his seat come next election.  Even if he didn't, it would take years for him to earn his wings within the Republican Party.  The way for him to maximize his power is to stay independent, forcing the Democrats and the Republicans to court him.



Leiberman left the Democratic party to run as an independent.

Not sure what you mean by "switching parties."

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 7:10:40 PM   
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I hope the Dems and Repubs cancel each other out and the Green or Constitution Party wins.
There's just nothing "good" to say about "R" or "D".
I want to see a LOT of people be voted out in the next two elections.

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 7:15:20 PM   
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he lacks an active constituency of voters. 

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       No.  He lacks the support of the Democratic "base."  For the swing voters, that is his greatest asset.  I'll refer you to his win as an Independent and ask you (again, I suspect) to give us your insights on how Nixon might have achieved such a Landslide in '72.

     The American People do not hate their country, nor wish it to be defeated in the Middle East.  Too many on the far left suggest they do, by word and deed.

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 7:22:48 PM   
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Leiberman left the Democratic party to run as an independent.

Not sure what you mean by "switching parties."

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       Joe has remained on the Dem side of the aisle and caucuses with them.  He is counted as a Democrat to establish the majority.

     This is pretty basic stuff, Sinergy, maybe you should start reading The Economist instead of Rolling Stone for a while?

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 7:25:53 PM   
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he lacks an active constituency of voters. 

Sinergy
 

   The American People do not hate their country, nor wish it to be defeated in the Middle East.  Too many on the far left suggest they do, by word and deed.


My brother....The problem is our County is not in the Middle East. 

Now as far as our soldiers being in the Middle East being defeated.....It is not that they have been defeated it is that this administration has put them in a stuation that would never allow them to win....it is time to pull the plug.

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RE: Will Joe Jump? - 5/13/2007 7:31:54 PM   
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The American People do not hate their country, nor wish it to be defeated in the Middle East.  Too many on the far left suggest they do, by word and deed.



I am still waiting for one of you pro-Middle-East invasion supporters to define what a victory in the Middle East actually means.

I am willing to discuss this when you are capable of articulating your position.  Until then, snipe away.

Sinergy

p.s. I read the Economist, among other things, fairly frequently.  I tend to prefer to learn multiple sides of an issue, as opposed to simply parroting inarticulate maunderings of a particular political bent.  Feel free to cite source references from The Economist that support your position that we should remain in Iraq.



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