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RE: Need Input Please - 5/14/2007 2:59:06 PM   
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I am abaslutly appaled at the bashing of an entire community that is happening in this thread, what ever happend to your way is not my way but thats ok, we have gone much ferther then the op and her Husband who i would not calssafie as any kind of Master and started bashing an entire sub group of these boards!! You all sound like a bunch of play ground bullies!!!
     And just for the record I am not Gor I dont beleave in their ways but I do beleave that they have the right to live their life the way they wish just as we have a right to live as we wish, as long as it is all consentual and not harmfull nothing much more matter.

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RE: Need Input Please - 5/14/2007 2:59:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Ah ouais? Tu parles francais, Piedro? (Pardon, je n'arrive pas a localiser la cedille sur ce clavier - ni les autres accents d'ailleurs).

It's true, I stir up shit, mea culpa. But a post from someody that's been abused by yet another Gor got my blood boiling. I do believe in certain things, you know.

Ben, salut, et bonne journee.

PS: oh, and I stand corrected at your beautiful semantic analysis of the expressions 'devil's advocate' and 'agent provocateur'. I like to learn :-)  Thank you kind Sir for your input.

PPS: I am bad... sowwwy.


Ah oui? je t'envoies des cédilles si tu m'envoies ces foutus guillemets anglais! J'trouve pas non plus sur mon clavier! rth (ris tout haut! lol) RL.

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RE: Need Input Please - 5/14/2007 3:14:12 PM   
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RE: Need Input Please - 5/14/2007 3:48:32 PM   
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You don't just wake up one day and "discover" that you're a Dom in the Gorean lifestyle, and you don't just suddenly "decide" to let your wife be a slave. 

He is acting out fantasies and self-delusions, not caring what kinds of train wrecks he is causing along the way.  I'm afraid you are in for a lot of unhappiness ahead unless he comes back down to Earth, but it really doesn't sound promising at this point in time. 

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RE: Need Input Please - 5/14/2007 5:32:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: windchymes

You don't just wake up one day and "discover" that you're a Dom in the Gorean lifestyle, and you don't just suddenly "decide" to let your wife be a slave. 

He is acting out fantasies and self-delusions, not caring what kinds of train wrecks he is causing along the way.  I'm afraid you are in for a lot of unhappiness ahead unless he comes back down to Earth, but it really doesn't sound promising at this point in time. 


Exactly!!. And until he comes back from 'gaga land' she has to get out of there... I'm not kidding, get out, she can always come back later after the idiot crashes and gets help himself. RL.

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RE: Need Input Please - 5/14/2007 8:57:26 PM   
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I wan to thank everyone for the reponses that have been offered. I have read them and some of them have hit a bit close to home concerning him. Yes, he is an "obsessive" personality. First it was religion...so much so he went online to obtain a "minister's license". He wanted to start his own church (rolling eyes here). He has always been a BIG sci-fi fan especially Star Wars and Star Trek, and some of the comicbooks of that genre. When he couldn't get the church thing off the ground, he thought he would try his hand at truck driving. 3 weeks into it, he decided it wasn't for him, and so on and so forth. I have dealt with his "obsessions" so much in the past that I have pretty much just rolled my eyes and went about my own business. I figure he will decide that he is either bored with it or that it isn't working out, and then he gets back to being his jolly old self again.
He is a great guy, don't get me wrong. He solely supports us due to medical conditions that prohibit me from working. He takes care of all the bills and such. He is very attentive to my needs on a daily basis. It is when he was in "master mode" with me that he became very agressive and quite strict.
He tells me he has always had these feelings, that they started when he was 13 or so and discovered the lifestyle in porno mags, but he never brought it up while we were dating and then subsequently engaged. He says it has always been a fantasy of his to be in total control of someone, and now that he has his slave he can live out that fantasy on a daily basis.
As for the sexual aspect of it all, he states that he is not intrested in that aspect...just the control part. "I have you if I want sex.." he has said. "To me this lifestyle is more than a way to get laid..." His statement as well.  He has self esteem issues and has had them for a number of years now, so I am thinking that this is his way of kinda dealing with those "inadequacies" that he seems to think are a major problem. Maybe for him, but not so much for me. I do love him dearly. He has never hurt me other than the cropping. He has been there for me thru all these years and some pretty bad things. It is now my time to be there for him. Sure, I know I am going to catch a lot of flack for it, but I feel that when we said, "thru good times and bad" we meant it.
He has had many chances to leave over the years, but he has remained by my side. I owe him the same regard.
All I ask is that there be someone there for me when I have questions, or if I need someone to talk to. I have come this far in this journey, don't turn your backs on me now.
Thank you all for your kindness and thoughts.
Robin

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RE: Need Input Please - 5/14/2007 9:05:25 PM   
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It's only normal to mock those who have devoted their lives to a work of fiction.... It is rather pathetic...This just one reason as to why I dislike Christians.

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RE: Need Input Please - 5/14/2007 9:39:07 PM   
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Hello Robin. Let me be clear on this, I am not saying you have to abandon him. He is sick. But if you want a good chance of bringing him to even keel, there is no other way than getting out, seek professionnal counseling for yourself and wait for him to want to do the same.

There is little hope of resolving this with your husband's present state of mind. You can't take care of this, it will go on to the point you may not even recognize him anymore. His 'personality' is changing and his behavior will change at the same time towards you. Do you think his behavior is getting better when it concerns you (as time goes on)? It will continue if you stay. It will stop if you go (negative behavior towards you). Only then will you have a chance of resolving this.

Don't choose (or ignore) advice to suit your fears. Please seek professional help, maybe they will tell you I'm full of it? Hell that alone should be motivation enough! What do you think? RL.

PS: Don't think he will follow gorean 'precepts' for long. He will eventually found his   own 'church' and you may not like the new gospel...


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RE: Need Input Please - 5/14/2007 10:18:46 PM   
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Dear Rrobinlarkway, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
You know your husband best, as later posts you have made professes this fact.  On these forums, we're all prone to use our personal measure of right and wrong, judgments by personal standards, experiences, prejudice and ignorance -- even personality conflicts.
 
That said, the compulsive behavior you mention, the obsessed behavior and his insecurities are going to have tendencies to grasp at anything that may be a success. 
 
There is often a misunderstanding of what abuse can be/may be.  It isn't always physical harm but, emotional, mental and or spiritual as well.  Many a case has been presented of late, to where the external appearances of a happy home is not what is inside.  Dr. Phil seems to have a similar case that just aired, where the need to control was so great that he was dangerous.  Although it might not be 'as' bad; it still is a great concern of mine, looking from the outside per se.
 
As others have pointed out, it is not so much the style of Domination-submission that is the issue; it is the ethics and moral attitudes and behaviors, to which is preferred in many 'BDSM, D/s, M/s and or S&M practices; to include Gorean.'
 
It is unkind of any person to thrust something new onto their 'dearest one' to where they are unable to make an intelligent choice to commit or waive off the commitment.  Knowledge is power in this aspect, to which both of you should have researched and get a grasp of what Gorean meant to those who seriously practice it as a life's philosophy and style, with the exception of all the fantasy the books carry through, such as killing a slave has no consequences, men can treat any woman as the see fit, as men are not held accountable of abuse towards women yet, they are in battle and the like.  Gorean books have women who are of no consequence especially free, just a breeding cow per se and after birth, can be forced into slavery or worse.  Its sexually charged where men can rape, plunder and pillage and that is what Si-Fi series stories work on per se.  Sex sells--men buy it.  However, there are some who pluck some aspects out of the Gorean novels and can identify with more reasonable expectations and may be considered 'watered down' Gorean. 
 
In my mind's eyes I see -- your husband is struggling.  I highly recommend urging him to see professional help.
 
The need to look outside the marriage to help mend it or maintain it is the destruction of it.  Everybody has an opinion, to include me.
It reads like he is seeking a solution and more despirate as time goes about, the seeking is also now sneaking, domineering, controlling and this is why a woman was so scared of him--too strong, too much and isn't telling the whole truth if he had to lie even a crumbs worth.
 
In D/s, M/s, BDSM and or S&M, relationships are built on trust and communication.  If you aren't listening, he will find someone else who will and or forced to listen--as well as obey.  Although, some people come into BDSM as kink sex and control; most grow into something beyond sex and micro management.  Some come into BDSM to heal or find some form of mental, emotional and spiritual relief.  Unfortunately, some come into BDSM as to rape, plunder, pillage mentality. 
 
You can support your husband and at the same time not become a doormat to behaviors that upset you and or your marriage.  He will have to admit he needs help in order to allow help to come and give him the tools to be his own white knight.  This is where professional mental health comes in and where all of us wish we had the ability to help you both by, knowing our own limits and knowing when its time to seek professional help; marriage experts, mental health and or anything that helps the marriage within.
 
I do wish you much success dear lady.
 
Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Need Input Please - 5/15/2007 4:30:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

It's only normal to mock those who have devoted their lives to a work of fiction.... It is rather pathetic...This just one reason as to why I dislike Christians.


Wow - Domiguy and I think alike sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Need Input Please - 5/15/2007 6:43:54 AM   
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I only worry that he is possibly not being honest, with the OP, and possibly himself, when he insists that sex will not be a part of it.
Yes, I know there are some who do seperate the two, but, this guy has been all over the place, and I doubt even he knows what he will do next.
Every one of us wants to believe what our SO tells us, but, we have to be responsible with who, and what, we choose to believe.
One rule I have, if someone is doing something that I question, but, then he/she explains it in a way that sounds plausible to me, I force myself to tell a family member or close friend what has been going on. It helps me, even in the telling of it, to see it as 'the reasonable person' would.
Sometimes that's all I need.
I commend your commitment to your marriage and your husband. I only hope he lives up to his word.

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RE: Need Input Please - 5/15/2007 7:12:37 AM   
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OH Hell, just take in interest in something equally intense as your Husbands Gor interests.   Have you thought about becoming a Female Supreamist with a strong interest in turning men into sissy boys and cuckolding?  That should make things really interesting around the household.   I'm being totally sarcastic about all this, however the thoughts of you doing this should prove a point.


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RE: Need Input Please - 5/15/2007 12:05:05 PM   
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From what I can see, your hubby is not a Dom at all, so much as a control-freak sadist.  Though some D's may be both control-freaks and sadists, there IS a difference.  Whatever this guy is telling you, he's gonna be having sex with this other chick, I could almost guarantee it...

I am of the belief that Masters/Doms are born, not made... if it's in you, it's there, even though you may not discover or have a name for it until late in life.  He sounds like he's acting out, as others have said, fantasies and self-important delusions.  Get out.  Run away.  Find a better man.  There's plenty out there, trust me.  If your hubby is actively frightening and stalking other women, can you really allow yourself to be comfortable with the situation and the man you are with?

Someone else said (And I apologise because I can't really remember who you are, and am too lazy to run back through and read all of this again.) it seems as though you're interested in the lifestyle yourself, and not to allow yourself to be scared off by this one bad Master/man/husband.  Just because he happened to introduce you to it, and poorly, doesn't mean you shouldn't keep your interest and find the niche within it that suits you.. not all Masters/Doms are insane-o's, nor control-freaks. 

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