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What to say? - 5/14/2007 8:36:35 PM   
ownedandcollared


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Status: offline 		A friend of mine asked me for some advice. She is currently living away from her Master (he is moving to be with her)  and another dominant has "fallen in love with her." Since she is owned and he wants her any way he can get her, he is offering to set her up with a place to live (of her own), a job, and training until her Master moves there. After he moves, the second guy is willing to find the Master a job, too, and asks for "visitation" rights (no idea who's term this is...i kinda think its funny). She likes the idea, likes the second guy, and loves her owner. She doesn't know what to do, and I don't know what advice to give her.

Should she present the idea to her Master? She has permission to talk to the other guy, so she isn't being sneaky (that was my first thought). It seems like a totally wierd situation to me, so i thought I'd ask y'all for some advice.
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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 8:51:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's the him falling in love with her and "wants her any way he can get her" that bother me really.

She should respectfully but firmly decline.  Even if the offer were completely legit (which would mean she is hardly an independent adult at the moment), it would be IMO simply the wrong choice to make on SO many levels down the path.

I'm sure she likes the idea of being so well courted and sought after and spoiled and whored- she should prefer to like the idea of making the right choice when it smacks her dead on the face and allow another the freedom to mourn and move on and stay true to the life she made a commitment to.

Unless she really doesn't want to be with her dom, in which case she could use it as a convenient excuse to begin the path to destroying that relationship AND get spoiled all while on the surface being not held responsible for the direct path of destruction.

Not very adult or ethical really, but it's certainly happened a few million times.


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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 8:52:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can only offer what I would do and what would be expected of me in this situation. I would tell my Daddy everything that this other dominant had said and done in relation to me. I would tell the dominant hell bent on acquiring me that he could speak with my Daddy about it, and then I would think of it no more, knowing that my Daddy would deal with it in the way he wanted to... end of story.

Recently my former dominant asked me to pen some articles about GMOs and organic crops in my area for his site on holistic health. I told my Daddy of his desire to have me write for him. I was instructed to ask my former dom how much he was willing to pay me for my work (which would have required a massive amount of time and research). I am still waiting for a reply...smiles.

I would just tell my friend to be honest with her Master, and if she finds herself rethinking him moving out to be with her and going with this new dom, it would be advisable and honorable for her to share that bit of information with the person she plans on establishing a complete commitment with

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 8:54:31 PM   
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quote:

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OK have to say it- one of the best parts of Wayne's World :)

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 8:57:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
"Once you label me, you negate me" ~ Soren Kierkegaard

OK have to say it- one of the best parts of Wayne's World :)


Ah, Wayne's World...Those were the days--My dad used to use that movie as a babysitter for us rugrats.

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 9:00:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The key is in her reticence to speak with her Owner about it. Sounds like decision time.

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 9:02:57 PM   
ownedandcollared


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Status: offline 		I dunno...I guess what strikes me as so strange is that I've never heard of a slave having two Masters. Outside of the Story of O, I don't think I've ever come accross an instance like that.

Which seems kinda strange. I mean, if a Master decided to aquire another slave, most people would shrug that off completely. Even I would, and have.

Thanks for any and all input here, she's left me dumbfounded

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 9:06:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		A slave having two masters is nothing new (Twice?)

A slave becoming the concubine of another master who clearly wishes to seduce her while under pretense of being owned by another master in which the slave is even CONSIDERING not informing of this entire affair is something completely different.

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 9:07:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		For reference sake (of my post only, of course):
The original Master is "Master"
The slave will be "slave"
The Dominant offering jobs and houses is "Dom"
 
How long has this slave been away from Master?  How much longer until slave is back in Master's arms.  How much talking has she been doing with Dom?  Has she become Dom's sub? If so, how does Master feel (assuming he knows).  How deeply is everyone into the lifestyle?
 
It isn't unheard of to share a slave, if both Dom and Master can be ok with it.
 
Slave loves Master.  Slave likes Dom.
 
I have a semi-vanilla view of ownership.  I feel the slave has one choice, who their Dominant is.  Finding someone slave likes is not too hard.  Finding someone she loves is more complicated.  I would suggest she stay loyal to Master, pending her Master's opinion about this Dom.  Trust in Master's judgement.

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 9:15:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

A slave having two masters is nothing new (Twice?)

A slave becoming the concubine of another master who clearly wishes to seduce her while under pretense of being owned by another master in which the slave is even CONSIDERING not informing of this entire affair is something completely different.


Concubine. There's a good word you don't hear very often. She's not exactly not telling her Master about it. He knows she talks to the other guy. He knows the other guy is all enamored with her (that is, according to her He knows all this) she just doesnt know whether to ask Him or to turn it down flat without bugging the Master about it.

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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

How long has this slave been away from Master?  How much longer until slave is back in Master's arms.  How much talking has she been doing with Dom?  Has she become Dom's sub? If so, how does Master feel (assuming he knows).  How deeply is everyone into the lifestyle?
 
It isn't unheard of to share a slave, if both Dom and Master can be ok with it.
 
Slave loves Master.  Slave likes Dom.
 
I have a semi-vanilla view of ownership.  I feel the slave has one choice, who their Dominant is.  Finding someone slave likes is not too hard.  Finding someone she loves is more complicated.  I would suggest she stay loyal to Master, pending her Master's opinion about this Dom.  Trust in Master's judgement.


Ummm...I think she's been away like six or seven months, no one is really sure when the Master will move. She's been 24/7 with her Master for several years now, and she has submitted in small things (dunno how big or small it goes) to the Dom guy. The Master seems jealous to me, but swears up and down he is not.

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 9:37:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedandcollared
she just doesnt know whether to ask Him or to turn it down flat without bugging the Master about it.


This line of thinking is so foreign to me.  Not bug her Master about it?  So she makes decisions about her life and future on his behalf? 

I'll echo Julia's answer.  I tell my Master all about it.  I tell the Dom to talk to my Master, and I think of it no more.  What Master decides is what happens.  It's not my job to protect my Master from Mastering me.

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 9:38:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedandcollared
and she has submitted in small things (dunno how big or small it goes) to the Dom guy.


Just saw this part.  If she is submitting, big or small, to someone other than her Master and her Master doesn't know it....well in my case the relationship is over. 

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 10:02:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Her reluctance to speak to her Master about it concerns me. She probably likes the attention and like the saying goes "the grass is always greener on the other side".  She need to tell her Master what is going on and make a decision. It isn't fair or right to all parties involved.

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 10:08:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedandcollared
and she has submitted in small things (dunno how big or small it goes) to the Dom guy.


Just saw this part.  If she is submitting, big or small, to someone other than her Master and her Master doesn't know it....well in my case the relationship is over. 


I don't know whether he knows or not

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RE: What to say? - 5/14/2007 10:32:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		The whole thing has warning signs all over it. how or why I am not sure. but be very very carefull

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RE: What to say? - 5/15/2007 4:06:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		What if the Dominant lied about what he was willing to do to get you as part of his "do anything I have to" mentality?  Where will that leave you?  It just seems like a "too good to be true" proposal.  And usually in these circumstances, it is.

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RE: What to say? - 5/15/2007 4:30:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Julia. She had permission to talk with this guy, which is cool. Now this situation has emerged, she should immediately (sooner, not later!) take it to her Master and lay it out before him, and waste no more of her time worrying about it. This is His decision to make, not hers.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I can only offer what I would do and what would be expected of me in this situation. I would tell my Daddy everything that this other dominant had said and done in relation to me. I would tell the dominant hell bent on acquiring me that he could speak with my Daddy about it, and then I would think of it no more, knowing that my Daddy would deal with it in the way he wanted to... end of story.

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RE: What to say? - 5/15/2007 6:11:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedandcollared

another dominant has "fallen in love with her."



It is at that point, in my opinion, she should have told her Master what the other dominant had said.  By continuing the conversation with the knowledge she has shown her Master disrespect.  Furthermore, if her Master is still unaware, she is being dishonest to him.  The other dom has also shown his true colours by talking to the point of infatuation with another Master's submissive.  If he cannot control himself, can he control others?

It stinks to me.

:: smiles ::

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RE: What to say? - 5/15/2007 6:16:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subsfaith

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ORIGINAL: ownedandcollared

another dominant has "fallen in love with her."



It is at that point, in my opinion, she should have told her Master what the other dominant had said.  By continuing the conversation with the knowledge she has shown her Master disrespect.  Furthermore, if her Master is still unaware, she is being dishonest to him.  The other dom has also shown his true colours by talking to the point of infatuation with another Master's submissive.  If he cannot control himself, can he control others?

It stinks to me.

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RE: What to say? - 5/15/2007 6:26:35 AM   
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I'm wondering if this owner was aware that his "slave" was engaging in conversations were suiters were wooing  her with gifts, planning a life together, romance... falling in love

quote:

She likes the idea, likes the second guy, and loves her owner.


For those of you who are still viewing this as an innocent mistake & she just needs to come forward & tell her master now... look at the above quote.... she knew what she was doing & I'm sure she has enjoyed every moment of stringing both these guys along.

my sniff-o-meter is pinging full alarm

I'm thinking the gal has potential of being a phenomenal "professional/financial/tribute/?" dominant... or is she opening a new market... "insert term" sub... I'll submit to you if you buy me a house, get me a job & while were at it... master needs one too..

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