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Level -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 6:24:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

    I never liked him.  I can't think of any statements he made that I ever agreed with.  It was fun to watch him debate though, and he was gifted as a speaker.  I'm glad he won't have any firther influence, but he didn't have to die for that to happen.  I'd have settled for hearing that he and Rosie O'Donnell were lost at sea together.


lol Rich. Oh, yes, if I never saw sweet, bellowing Rosie again......




minnetar -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 6:25:48 PM)

lmao Thank you .

minnetar




minnetar -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 6:29:09 PM)



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ORIGINAL: spankmepink11

Other than the fact that theres one less  hate mongering zealot in the world, i have absolutely no feeling one way the other over his death.   I'm sure he had loved ones who will mourn him.. To be honest....death, in old age, is as natural as life.  The secret, is leaving reasons for those you leave behind, to celebrate your life. 


whatever.  i feel sorry for his family as i am sure he was loved and as i said before i did not agree with any of his beliefs.  lol but you know what,  you have to deal with your higher power and stating those thoughts.

minnetar




spankmepink11 -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 6:34:09 PM)

I was replying in general, not to you specifically. And thank you, i have every faith in facing whatever higher power there may be with my head held high..   I also said that i'm sure there were people who would mourn him, i do not deny them that right or have disregard for what they feel.  If they find reason to celebrate his life, then  good for them.

You seem to enjoy taking others to task for stating opinions that differ from your own.  I promise, i neither need nor desire you attempting to be my moral compass.




spankmepink11 -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 6:44:08 PM)

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dcnovice -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 6:56:50 PM)

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I have always found whenever you see Hitl...It is time to stop reading....Or comparing the right side to Nazis....There is no comparison....


Godwin's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.




minnetar -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 6:57:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: spankmepink11

I was replying in general, not to you specifically. And thank you, i have every faith in facing whatever higher power there may be with my head held high..   I also said that i'm sure there were people who would mourn him, i do not deny them that right or have disregard for what they feel.  If they find reason to celebrate his life, then  good for them.

You seem to enjoy taking others to task for stating opinions that differ from your own.  I promise, i neither need nor desire you attempting to be my moral compass.


roflmao i love folks who are hateful as hell who can live with themselves.  More power to you as i cannot.

minnetar




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 7:05:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: simplyangelic1

wait...So christianity doesn't revolve around the death of Christ?  Damn sunday school had it all wrong then.  Someone should tell them...I elect Level since he seems to know it all.


No.  Christianity revolves around the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  If one does not accept, with faith, the resurrection and what that represents, then they don't have the complete message. I am sure your Sunday School had it right, but you didn't quite absorb the whole thing.  It is easy to do when young 'uns are sent to Sunday School for a few years, and there is no real follow through or reinforcement of the basic tenets at home.    
 And I do not mean that in a mean or sarcastic way.   
I am personally of a mind that Mr. Falwell did not have the complete message himself, since that messag would not, in My opinion, tolerate such accusations as the man made.  However, only he knows where he stand now, and I hope only the best for him and move on with My own life.




spankmepink11 -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 7:08:36 PM)

Normally i could not care less but i'm incredibly curious as to what you found hateful about my post.

Was it the fact that i considered Mr Falwell a zealot?

Was it that i ackowledged the fact that he most likely had family that would mourn him?

Oh  gosh, maybe it was hateful of me to suggest that death was a natural part of life, and that we should all leave reasons for our loved ones to celebrate our lives.
hate·ful  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif[/image]  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image][image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif[/image]  /ˈheɪt[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]fəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[heyt-fuh[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]l] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective



1.
arousing hate or deserving to be hated: the hateful oppression of dictators.



2.
unpleasant; dislikable; distasteful: She found her domestic chores hateful.



3.
full of or expressing hate; malignant; malevolent: a hateful denunciatory speech.



[Origin: 1300–50; ME; see hate, -ful[image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]]
—Related forms
hate·ful·ly, adverb hate·ful·ness, noun

—Synonyms 1. abominable, execrable, abhorrent, repugnant; invidious, loathsome. Hateful, obnoxious, odious, offensive refer to something that causes strong dislike or annoyance. Hateful implies actually causing hatred or extremely strong dislike: The sight of him is hateful to me. Obnoxious emphasizes causing annoyance or discomfort by objectionable qualities: His persistence made him seem obnoxious. His piggish manners made him obnoxious to his companions. Odious emphasizes the disagreeable or displeasing: an odious little man; odious servility. Offensive emphasizes the distaste and resentment caused by something that may be either displeasing or insulting: an offensive odor, remark. —Antonyms 1. likable, agreeable; commendable, praiseworthy. 
Sorry for the hijack folks...just wanted to be sure i was clear on the definition of "hateful"




dogthing -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 7:51:54 PM)

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If a race of Aliens...Ilegal or not....Was viewing this thread and somehow they proved to be weaker than us...We would find away to justify killing them.
 

Aliens don't have Jesus. Aliens must be Evil! Kill the Aliens! Kill them All!




dcnovice -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 7:59:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dogthing

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If a race of Aliens...Ilegal or not....Was viewing this thread and somehow they proved to be weaker than us...We would find away to justify killing them.
 

Aliens don't have Jesus. Aliens must be Evil! Kill the Aliens! Kill them All!


They might have oil, though.




sublimelysensual -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 8:09:42 PM)

You all don't know how lucky you are..i live 20 minutes outside of Lynchburg, flags here are already at half mast, and i'm sure for at least the next 2 weeks, it's going to be the most over-reported item on and in the local news. And the reaaaaaally exciting part?? At least two of his three sons are all groomed and ready to step right into his place.
 
As for how "hateful" and morally wrong everyone is for not shedding tears for his family, he put himself into a position to be reviled and to me it's no shock that there aren't a lot of people, in the bdsm-D/s community especially, that have a lot of sympathy for him and his. i don't think it makes anyone less of a person for it. The people i feel sorry for are the ones that have actually subscribed to his line of hatred and intolerance for so many years...i wouldn't wish death on anyone, but i'm not going to pretend i'm unhappy about it either..
 
 




Invictus754 -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 8:11:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
First late term and partial-birth abortion

So women who are raped deserve to have a child of their attacker. 

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then physician-assisted suicide, 

And no one deserves to die with dignity when they choose, but rather they should die a limp brain-dead veg after a horrible disease - even though their organs could have been used to help others who want to live before they wasted away.

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then celebrate the death of those you disagree with.

And that is bad how?
 
I would add euthanasia to the list, if I had my druthers.  Some people just need to be dead before they reproduce. 




farglebargle -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 8:13:53 PM)

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If they find reason to celebrate his life, then good for them.


Even Adolph Hitler had mourners.





domiguy -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 8:27:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

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ORIGINAL: spankmepink11

I was replying in general, not to you specifically. And thank you, i have every faith in facing whatever higher power there may be with my head held high..   I also said that i'm sure there were people who would mourn him, i do not deny them that right or have disregard for what they feel.  If they find reason to celebrate his life, then  good for them.

You seem to enjoy taking others to task for stating opinions that differ from your own.  I promise, i neither need nor desire you attempting to be my moral compass.


roflmao i love folks who are hateful as hell who can live with themselves.  More power to you as i cannot.

minnetar



Minnetar there is nothing at all offensive about what spankmepink posted it was accurate.  What makes her "hateful as hell?"

Falwell caused pain and grief to so many people with his attacks...I can totally understand why there are people who do not "mourn" his passing....I believe there is a verse in the bible about "judging others" I wouldn't want to be in your shoes right now....Isn't it funny how the blade cuts both ways.....

I think the bible is an interesting book especially the New Testament....It is unbelievable to me how a man such as Falwell, and there are many others, who seem to miss the messaage of compassion and love but mange to "use' the book as a platform for malicious attacks and persecution....I think the world is now a better place in his absence....I hope he helped more people than he hurt and I imagine that is probably the case....So long Jerry I always thought you were a pompous piece of shit.




juliaoceania -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 8:29:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: simplyangelic1

wait...So christianity doesn't revolve around the death of Christ?  Damn sunday school had it all wrong then.  Someone should tell them...I elect Level since he seems to know it all.


What I do know is that it doesn't revolve around people "getting their jollies" out of his death. Pretty simple.


I remember a certain thread about Saddam being offed and a lot of people running around basking in the rays of his rotting corpse. I did not like that, and to be honest, I am not one to "get my jollies" on anyone's death. I will say Mr Falwell lived a average length life, and he died of natural causes. It seems a lot more ghoulish to get thrills off an execution than a natural death.

I did not like Reagan, I do not like Falwell, I will not cry when Pat Robertson kicks the bucket either. All of the above mentioned men probably lived longer than they should have, but only the good die young, right?

No one gets out of life alive, it really is not something to be all that sad over, unless one will miss the departed. I will not miss Falwell, he was not a great man, he caused a bunch of hatred, and he was every bit as evil as Saddam was, not to mention he had more of an impact on my life with his Christian Coalition hate mongering ass that hijacked our government for a few years.




TheHeretic -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 8:40:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

he was every bit as evil as Saddam was,



       Got a link to something about the mass graves on the campus of Liberty (HA!) University?  Is everyone you disagree with just automatically evil?




Marc2b -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 8:44:17 PM)

empresschaos said:
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... wait... correct me if I misunderstand, but isn't Christianity a whole, big religion founded by people getting their jollies off someone's death?

You get to eat candy, so don’t complain.

thompsonx said:
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Did you send the same condolances to hitlers family or to sodamned insanes family on the occasion of the deaths of those two individuals?

Ohhhh..... That’s a big fat juicy worm... but I ain’t bitting tonight.

Dauric said:
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Sometime around 1999-2000-2001, there was whis whole scholarly dissection of the bible kick, couldn't change channels, or walk down a newspaper stand without something coming out about Christianity. One of the interesting things that I found at that time was an evaluation, by secular and clerical scolars, of all the passages that were attributed to Jesus Christ, and that only about a third of them could actualy be linked to Mr. Jesus (with an average of 90% certanty), and another third were 50/50 maybe he said it, maybe he didn't.

Two books I think you’d like:
The Making of the Messiah
, by Robert Sheaffer.
The Bible Against Itself
, by Randel McCraw Helms.

Lashra said:
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...then he jumps around so his hairpiece looks like a rabid wolverine on his head.

[sm=biggrin.gif]... thanks for the laugh!

popeye1250 said
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said; "You guys(Evangelicals) are so screwed up no wonder the Protestants don't want anything to do with you!"

[sm=biggrin.gif]...thanks for the laugh!

domiguy said
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If more "bible thumpers" took the time to actually help others instead of investing their time to see what is going on in our lives and bedrooms this world would be a much better place to live.

The problem is, in their minds they are making the world a better place. This is the provlem with all ideologies.

TheHeretic said:
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I'd have settled for hearing that he and Rosie O'Donnell were lost at sea together.

Each would probably think they had died and gone to hell... for about two minutes... Rosie would then kill and eat Jerry. Oh yeah... [sm=biggrin.gif]...thanks for the laugh!

dcnovice said:
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Godwin's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

I’ve been guilty of this myself.




maybemaybenot -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 8:46:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

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ORIGINAL: simplyangelic1

wait...So christianity doesn't revolve around the death of Christ?  Damn sunday school had it all wrong then.  Someone should tell them...I elect Level since he seems to know it all.


No.  Christianity revolves around the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  If one does not accept, with faith, the resurrection and what that represents, then they don't have the complete message. I am sure your Sunday School had it right, but you didn't quite absorb the whole thing.  It is easy to do when young 'uns are sent to Sunday School for a few years, and there is no real follow through or reinforcement of the basic tenets at home.    
 And I do not mean that in a mean or sarcastic way.   
I am personally of a mind that Mr. Falwell did not have the complete message himself, since that messag would not, in My opinion, tolerate such accusations as the man made.  However, only he knows where he stand now, and I hope only the best for him and move on with My own life.


Well said, GoddessDustyGold !
I never understood Mr. Falwell's brand of Christianity. It certainly did not follow the Christian teachings or beliefs I learned and practice. I do hope the man RIP. I suspect he did not live this life in peace. Sadly I think he led the charge of anti Christian sentiment we have seen develope. He was the most counter productive Christian * leader* < used loosely>, that we have seen, IMO. I have serious issues with any clergy of any religion who use religion to divide vs unite.
But I will not revel in any persons death. Somewhere there is a person or perons who are suffering because of the loss, and out of respect to those who simply loved that person, I will not celebrate the death.

            mbmbn

                    mbmbn




juliaoceania -> RE: Jerry Falwell dies (5/15/2007 8:47:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

he was every bit as evil as Saddam was,



   Got a link to something about the mass graves on the campus of Liberty (HA!) University?  Is everyone you disagree with just automatically evil?


You see, all world leaders have blood on their hands, but an extremist like Falwell, he is evil in a  special sort of way.. right up there with bin Laden, just create enough hate and people will do the violence for you, like kill gay people for example, or bash "liberals" for another. He backed things like fighting holy wars too




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