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And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:24:09 AM   
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This recent dirt tactic by Nacy Pelosi and other tops dems is in direct violation of the first ammendment and strikingly similar to policies enforced in Stalinist Russia.
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By The Prowler
Published 5/14/2007 12:09:36 AM


SALEM'S WITCH TRIAL
According to two members of the House Democrat Caucus, Reps. Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have informed them that they will "aggressively pursue" reinstatement of the so-called Fairness Doctrine over the next six months. In January, Democrat presidential candidate Rep. Dennis Kucinich announced that he was going to pursue the Fairness Doctrine through his Government Reform subcommittee. That announcement was greeted with silence. But now, Pelosi has moved things to the front burner.

Much of the doctrine, regulated through the FCC, was largely dumped in 1987. Other parts of it, related to "personal attack" rule and the "political editorial" rule, remained in place until 2000. The personal attack rule required anyone "attacked" over the airwaves to be notified beforehand and given an opportunity to respond. A similar rule was followed for the political editorial, where a broadcaster endorsing one political candidate or issue had to give similar time for a response from those not endorsed or supported.

The decision to press for re-establishment of the Fairness Doctrine now seems to have developed for two reasons. "First, [Democrats] failed on the radio airwaves with Air America, no one wanted to listen," says a senior adviser to Pelosi. "Conservative radio is a huge threat and political advantage for Republicans and we have had to find a way to limit it. Second, it looks like the Republicans are going to have someone in the presidential race who has access to media in ways our folks don't want, so we want to make sure the GOP has no advantages going into 2008."

That last comment appeared to be a veiled reference to former Sen. Fred Thompson, who appears to be gearing up for a presidential run. Over the past year, he has built a following both over the AM airwaves through the ABC Radio network, as well as through almost daily appearances across cable TV on the TV show Law & Order, where he plays a tough-talking district attorney.

According to another Democrat leadership aide, Pelosi and her team are focused on several targets in the fight, including Rush Limbaugh and the Salem Radio Network. In fact, Kucinich's staff has begun investigating Salem, one of the fastest growing radio networks in the country, which features such popular -- and highly rated -- conservative hosts as Bill Bennett and Michael Medved, and Christian hosts such as Dr. Richard Land.

"They are identifying senior employees, their political activities and their political giving," says a Government Reform committee staffer. "Salem is a big target, but the big one is going to be Limbaugh. We know we can't shut him up, but we want to make life a bit more difficult for him."
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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:27:19 AM   
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I do not agree with censorship no matter who does it

Can you site the sources for this thread?

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:34:43 AM   
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A balanced media is good for democracy. Most people do seek out the comfort of media that confirms their perception of the world but do they get a balanced view? I doubt it. American media by any standard is skewed to the right. What most Americans call liberal is conservative in most other western countries. It can't be good for America to have an electrate that doesn't have access to both sides of an argument, it makes sense for democracy for the population to have access to a range of views.

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:38:03 AM   
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grr...sorry though I included the URL,   http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=11427

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:44:45 AM   
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Exactly HOW is insisting on BALANCED USE OF THE PEOPLES AIRWAVES "Censorship"?



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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:45:06 AM   
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quote:

Much of the doctrine, regulated through the FCC, was largely dumped in 1987. Other parts of it, related to "personal attack" rule and the "political editorial" rule, remained in place until 2000. The personal attack rule required anyone "attacked" over the airwaves to be notified beforehand and given an opportunity to respond. A similar rule was followed for the political editorial, where a broadcaster endorsing one political candidate or issue had to give similar time for a response from those not endorsed or supported.



I do not see this as censorship. No one is saying that people cannot say what they like, what they are saying is that they have to allow others to respond to attacks and show the other side of an issue. I support this because unfortunately the political discourse has become completely skewed. The Fourth Estate exists to inform people so that they may take part in the public discourse and contribute an informed opinion to it. In a democracy a free and balanced press is crucial, because the media is in very few hands we do not have that. Because political discourse is treated like a product to be sold to listeners, and audiences are a product to be sold to advertisers, we have lost balance. The airwaves are ours, the FCC has a responsibility to the American people that more voices be heard with diverse opinions... and we just do not get that right now

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:45:58 AM   
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And last time I checked, you can BUY however much airtime you want and broadcast whatever you care to....



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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:50:24 AM   
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I doubt it. American media by any standard is skewed to the right. What most Americans call liberal is conservative in most other western countries. It can't be good for America to have an electorate that doesn't have access to both sides of an argument, it makes sense for democracy for the population to have access to a range of views.
I thought government mandated programming was considered propaganda?

There is access to a wide range of views. This latest attempt by the left is a direct result of Air America dieing a natural death due to lack of interest. When the market doesn't bear the cost and generate profits any company or idea deserves its death. But its not "fair" that people listen to what they chose to listen? What's next; monitoring our viewing habits to make sure we hear equal amount of left and right wing propaganda? People would support this concept as a goal?

Good thing I'm old and won't have to worry about growing up where any watching of Bugs Bunny had to be offset by equal time with Mr. Rodgers!

I don't remember, was censorship and the elimination of "right wing' radio one of the platforms of this new Congress?

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:52:06 AM   
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"Good thing I'm old and won't have to worry about growing up where any watching of Bugs Bunny had to be offset by equal time with Mr. Rodgers!"

PBS Childrens programming was a direct response to the Commercial Childrens Programming.

( Which is why Sesame Street circa 1972 puts ANYTHING currently 'cast to shame... )



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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:53:16 AM   
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and another source:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244346,00.html  (bottom of page)

FB, did you read the article? It's not about balance, they are investigating employees of conservative radio stations, they are attacking them.  Because the liberals know their arguments dont hold weight in honest discussion, so they seek to silence their opposition. If they want balance they should start their own stations, instead of trying to shut down the ones on the right.

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:56:52 AM   
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That's not what the FCC Fairness Doctrine is about at all...

If someone has a claim of harassment, stalking, etc, then they should take it to the police, and let a Grand Jury handle the indictment.

Remember when the TV station used to run EDITORIAL CONTENT? And they'd follow with the tagline: "What's your opinion, we'd like to know?"

That's what the FCC Fairness Doctrine.

Rush Limbaugh is free to buy all the airtime he cares to, to broadcast whatever program he wishes.

The FCC LICENSEES, HOWEVER, AS PART OF THEIR LICENSE APPLICATION, AGREE TO GO ALONG WITH THE PEOPLE'S REGULATION.

It's not a "Free Speech" issue at all any more than you needing a Drivers License is a "Liberty" issue.

No-one held a gun to their head to APPLY FOR THE LICENSE.


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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:57:45 AM   
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I don't recall this whining from the right when it was discovered Bush was paying pundits to pundit their brand of bullshit.  I don't recall anyone whining that they gutted PBS.  I don't recall them whining when ABC broadcast that hit piece on Clinton.

I don't recall the right whining about the "K Street Project" which proceded to loot America.  Sorry but I just don't have any sympathy at all, somehow being called traitor too many times for having the termirity to suggest invading Iraq might require we spend money, it might turn into a mess and only benefit Iran and fuel terrorism sort of burnt me out on right wing noise.

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 11:59:31 AM   
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it might not be what the original one was about, but that is how it is being used now. Read the quotes! how can think they are not trying to shut down conservative radio?

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 12:02:45 PM   
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Liberals bitch about conservative censorsip, conservatives bitch about liberal censorship, just like anyone in power will have their dirty laundry aired in public.

The moderates stand in the middle, both needing to preserve their right to say what they want to say, and wishing desprately that both sides would shut the fuck up.

$0.02,

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 12:03:01 PM   
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Because RUSH CAN STILL BUY WHATEVER AIRTIME HE CHOOSES.

THE LICENSEES DON"T HAVE FREE SPEECH RIGHTS. THEY GAVE THEM UP WHEN THEY APPLIED FOR THE B'CAST LICENSE.

If it's been CONVENIENT for the LICENSEES to broadcast Rush as Editorial Content, and not have him pay, that's just too fucking bad. No-one needs to protect the buggy-whip-makers, once time moves on and renders them obsolete...

That's like some sorta communism...


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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 12:07:56 PM   
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you are taking the liberal tactic of avoiding the question, How do you justify those quotes into what you are saying? How are those quotes anything if not an attempt at censorship...

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 12:13:47 PM   
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In it's entirety, this is the text from the link you provided .

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Return of the Fairness Doctrine?

Some congressional Democrats are pushing to reinstate the old Fairness Doctrine, a regulation dropped by the FCC in 1987 that compelled over-the-air broadcasters to offer competing points of view on political issues.

Many critics feel the new push to not only restore the doctrine, but to write it into law, is aimed at muzzling conservative talk radio. Those critics feel talk radio offers a balance to the liberal bias in the mainstream media and especially print media, where the doctrine does not apply.

A spokesman for the National Association of Broadcasters tells Cybercast News Service that the Fairness Doctrine is actually unfair because it inhibits broadcasters' free speech rights.

—FOX News Channel's Martin Hill contributed to this report.



ANALYSIS:

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Some congressional Democrats are pushing to reinstate the old Fairness Doctrine, a regulation dropped by the FCC in 1987 that compelled over-the-air broadcasters to offer competing points of view on political issues.


FACTUALLY INCORRECT. It compelled over-the-air broadcasters to provide equal time to differing EDITORIAL VIEWS.

Political programmers can buy whatever airtime they care to. Like Ron Popeil does.

quote:


Many critics feel the new push to not only restore the doctrine, but to write it into law, is aimed at muzzling conservative talk radio.


UNSOURCED WEASEL WORDS: Exactly WHICH CRITICS?

quote:


Those critics feel talk radio offers a balance to the liberal bias in the mainstream media and especially print media, where the doctrine does not apply.


UNSOURCED WEASEL WORDS: Exactly WHICH CRITICS?

quote:


A spokesman for the National Association of Broadcasters tells Cybercast News Service that the Fairness Doctrine is actually unfair because it inhibits broadcasters' free speech rights.


WHICH SPOKESMAN? IF THEY"RE UNWILLING TO GO ON THE RECORD, THAN THEY ARE NOT CREDIBLE SOURCES.

quote:


—FOX News Channel's Martin Hill contributed to this report.


That may be the only FACT presented.

So, it looks like the entire piece was just made up, with the reporters being too lazy to make up names to go along with their phony quotes.

You ACTUALLY thought this was true?


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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 12:14:01 PM   
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Washington Prowler
Her Royal Fairness
By The Prowler
Published 5/14/2007 12:09:36 AM
SALEM'S WITCH TRIAL
According to two members of the House Democrat Caucus, Reps. Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer have informed them that they will "aggressively pursue" reinstatement of the so-called Fairness Doctrine over the next six months. In January, Democrat presidential candidate Rep. Dennis Kucinich announced that he was going to pursue the Fairness Doctrine through his Government Reform subcommittee. That announcement was greeted with silence. But now, Pelosi has moved things to the front burner.

Much of the doctrine, regulated through the FCC, was largely dumped in 1987. Other parts of it, related to "personal attack" rule and the "political editorial" rule, remained in place until 2000. The personal attack rule required anyone "attacked" over the airwaves to be notified beforehand and given an opportunity to respond. A similar rule was followed for the political editorial, where a broadcaster endorsing one political candidate or issue had to give similar time for a response from those not endorsed or supported.

The decision to press for re-establishment of the Fairness Doctrine now seems to have developed for two reasons. "First, [Democrats] failed on the radio airwaves with Air America, no one wanted to listen," says a senior adviser to Pelosi. "Conservative radio is a huge threat and political advantage for Republicans and we have had to find a way to limit it. Second, it looks like the Republicans are going to have someone in the presidential race who has access to media in ways our folks don't want, so we want to make sure the GOP has no advantages going into 2008."

That last comment appeared to be a veiled reference to former Sen. Fred Thompson, who appears to be gearing up for a presidential run. Over the past year, he has built a following both over the AM airwaves through the ABC Radio network, as well as through almost daily appearances across cable TV on the TV show Law & Order, where he plays a tough-talking district attorney.

According to another Democrat leadership aide, Pelosi and her team are focused on several targets in the fight, including Rush Limbaugh and the Salem Radio Network. In fact, Kucinich's staff has begun investigating Salem, one of the fastest growing radio networks in the country, which features such popular -- and highly rated -- conservative hosts as Bill Bennett and Michael Medved, and Christian hosts such as Dr. Richard Land.

"They are identifying senior employees, their political activities and their political giving," says a Government Reform committee staffer. "Salem is a big target, but the big one is going to be Limbaugh. We know we can't shut him up, but we want to make life a bit more difficult for him."


FINANCING CHUCK
Nebraska's anti-war Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel on Sunday indicated that he is willing to join New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg in a third-party run for the White House in 2008. Hagel insiders say that Hagel would run on the bottom of the ticket, which would largely be financed by the man on the top of the ticket, Bloomberg.

Bloomberg, according to New York insiders, has been meeting with both Republican and Democrat political consultants, pollsters and media advisers. They informed him that a run would most likely require $100 million. "And probably a bit more," says one with knowledge of the discussion. "Bloomberg didn't even blink when he heard the number. He's ready to cut the check."

A Bloomberg-Hagel ticket would if nothing else rank in entertainment value with the campaign of Democrat Rep. Dennis Kucinich. It would also create a host of problems for Sen. Hillary Clinton and former Sen.John Edwards, who have steadily been turning their campaigns in an anti-war direction.
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What a credible source to get your news....Wow you must enjoy frequenting a site that regurgitates everything that you believe...it requires you not to have to think!

Lets look a little deeper at this article...There is NO author....Oh, it's by "The Prowler"...NO Bio listed....I always enjoy his work...lol.

Ok....Now we have the article stating..."According to two members of the House Democrat Caucus

What two members?...Hmmm suspiciously they don't seem to list their names!!!


Let's go a little further...""First, [Democrats] failed on the radio airwaves with Air America, no one wanted to listen," says a senior adviser to Pelosi."  ....

Who is this senior adviser to Pelosi?...Doesn't this person like the other two have a name?

 
 
"According to another leadership aide, Pelosi and her team are focused on several targets in the fight, "

Do any of these people have fucking names?

And another...""They are identifying senior employees, their political activities and their political giving," says a Government Reform committee staffer."

This is where you get your news???...this is a joke!! It says little about your ability to question or begin to understand the source that you utilize  to extol your views....Pathetic!!!

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 12:14:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NavyDDG54

you are taking the liberal tactic of avoiding the question, How do you justify those quotes into what you are saying? How are those quotes anything if not an attempt at censorship...


I hope you realize that you sound like a shill attributing every debate tactic that you find lacking to being "liberal".. people who do that sound like Hitler to me, just replace "Jew" with any other group of people in his speeches and you will see what I mean... people use that tactic... some of them are conservative, some are liberal, some are apolitical

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RE: And the liberals complain about censorship? - 5/15/2007 12:17:57 PM   
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I just let it slide. Anyone ignorant enough of my beliefs to call me a Liberal is simply not worth the effort to correct.



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