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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/15/2005 8:48:22 PM   
Faramir


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Status: offline 		What a pleasantly respectful thread.

At B.com this kind of topic woudl be very acrimonious, with virulent posts from people of different religious beliefs bashing each other. Almost every post in this thread was supportive and respectful.

For what it is worth, the OP asks about resolving the conflict between Christianity and BDSM, and like many here, I don't see a conflict. Loving, consensual intimacy, even if it is hella kinka, doesn't conflict with anything I kmow of in the spirit or word of Christ.

I'd also point out that CS Lewis, a prominent Christian Apologetics writer, was a kinky, SM kinda guy (see his private letters to Arthur Greeves, The Four Loves and Pilgrim's Regress). I think he was conflicted over it, but I think God loved him anyway.

Anyway, this was a nice intro to collarme forums.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/16/2005 12:56:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm kinda blown away with the responses i've recieved from this thread. You've all given me alot to think about and discuss with my Dom. I thank everyone whos contributed to this, and appreciate everything youve said.

The reason I posted this thread is I posted my opinions on faith in a thread on another forum and was flamed for believing what I believe. My Dom then questioned me about how what we do and my beliefs actually fit. I didn't know what to say. He then asked me which one i'm prepared to give up.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/16/2005 7:00:15 AM   
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Greetings again Princess...

I truely believe without question, you don't have to give up either - the only reason to remounce your faith, would be if that is something you Dominant had requested, then - You have to make that choice as to whether you can submit to that, or whether the faith you have is stronger. You can be a Christian and be a practising BDSMer/submissive/ Dominant/slave....

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/16/2005 2:02:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have dealt with this topic for many years as i was raised as a fundamentalist Christian and attended a Christian liberal Arts University for two years in Southwest Missouri ( Evangel University ). my sexuality , Femdom, caused me some conflict and guilt.

However, during the following years i discovered and explored other spiritual paths and the following are my personal opinions and i do not claim to have the "correct" and sole reasons many American people in the scene go through siimilar conflicts.

The three Abrahamic religions are very patriarchal and somewhat misogynist. Leaving out Islam and Judaism i would like to concentrate on Christianity. St. Augustine was the first Christian to introduce the doctrine of "original sin" and the teachings that sin, beginning with Eve, is passed on through the female and sex itself was sinful. Centuries later St Thomas Aquinas taught that females are similar to dogs in that they have no souls. The Christian church went on to persecute women in many ways and to teach sex was meant only for procreation.

America then was founded by puritanical Calvinists who were almost Taliba-like. So to this day many Americans are squimish about sex and Sado- Masochism is especially perverted.

Many of the Dommes i have met are very comfortable with paganism, Goddess religions, Wicca and other non- Christian religions. Whereas Christian Dommes are hardly ever immersed and active in their Christianity, Wiccans, for example, always seem to have totally integrated their spirituality with their Femdom. i believe this is because Wicca, paganism, etc. are Female centered and even incorporate sexuality as part of their practices.

Flagellation is a perfect example.The use of flagellation in a religious context is of extreme antiquity.Ancient writers such as Plutarch, Cicero, and Seneca wrote of the flagellation of young males in front of the altar of Diana in Greece.Lucian and Silenus relate how priestessesheld up a small statue of the Goddess while boys were lashed with whips..Following this, priests inspected the lash marks on the flesh, using them to discern omens from the Goddess. Purification arose from a combinationof mental enduranceduring the act itself, along with the effects of various secretions into the blood stream as a result of the pain stimulation. Egyptian tomb art depicts certain female deities carrying a whip. Some of the murals in Pompeiidepictwhips being used in initiation rites. Telete, the Greek and Roman Goddess of initiation, carried a whip. In Telete we find that suffering leads to enlightenment when willingly endured for a personal purpose----as to please and show devotion to a Dominatrix/Goddess.

So, in my opinion, the reason Dommes who embrace pagan religions seem fully integrated, and Christianity ( especially Americans ) struggle with guilt or are simply Christian in name only, is because Christianity is anti-sex as well as anti-female. Actually, Even St Paul says in the Boook of Romans that women should keep their mouths shut in church and the man is the "head of the house" etc.

These are, once again my personal observations and opinions and do not intend to denigrate Christianity. Simply put, BDSM ( especially Femdom ) and Chrisatianity are incompatible.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/16/2005 2:09:49 PM   
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These are, once again my personal observations and opinions and do not intend to denigrate Christianity. Simply put, BDSM ( especially Femdom ) and Chrisatianity are incompatible


I do comprehend what you are saying. I would take a different observation, however - the 'history' of the christian church that you have related is that of man.

I am a christian woman. A woman who doesn not fear of what fundemental christianity would want me to be, because I know that Gods Love is ultimate and infinity.

Therefore, I would suggest from my own observation that BDSM and fundementalist church movements are incompatable.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/16/2005 7:15:17 PM   
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the OP asks about resolving the conflict between Christianity and BDSM, and like many here, I don't see a conflict. Loving, consensual intimacy, even if it is hella kinka, doesn't conflict with anything I kmow of in the spirit or word of Christ.


Faramir, what do you make of this? All quotes from Jesus:

quote:

Matthew 15
18 But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man. 19 For from the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies. 20 These are the things that defile a man. But to eat with unwashed hands doth not defile a man.


http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47015.htm

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Mark 7
21 For from within out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile a man.


http://www.drbo.org/chapter/48007.htm


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Matthew 5
27 You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. 28 But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye scandalize thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell.


http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47005.htm

I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm pointing out that this is difficult. This isn't St. Paul, and I don't think you can seriously argue that these words were put in Jesus' mouth by some later writer, although that may be the only recourse to accepting the fact that Jesus didn't accept fornication or adultery. It looks like you have to give up either BDSM or Christ (at least in part). And I think He demands at least the attempt at total obedience. Boy, would I love to be proven wrong.

(This is from the Douay-Rheims version. I'm using it because the site is particularly easy to work with to find a passage.)

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 2:01:07 AM   
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I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm pointing out that this is difficult. This isn't St. Paul, and I don't think you can seriously argue that these words were put in Jesus' mouth by some later writer, although that may be the only recourse to accepting the fact that Jesus didn't accept fornication or adultery. It looks like you have to give up either BDSM or Christ (at least in part). And I think He demands at least the attempt at total obedience. Boy, would I love to be proven wrong.

(This is from the Douay-Rheims version. I'm using it because the site is particularly easy to work with to find a passage.)


How the heck do you get BDSM to equal fornication and adultery?


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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 2:12:41 AM   
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How the heck do you get BDSM to equal fornication and adultery?


Was wondering the same thing*

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 5:02:59 AM   
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Ultimately, I believe God gave Peter, the Popes, the Church, the authority to set standards -- rules -- and it's my duty to submit to them. It's so difficult, though...orig:CTclay


Martin Luther had the same problem. thankfully, he didn't just sit on his hands.

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...and Christianity ( especially Americans ) struggle with guilt or are simply Christian in name only, is because Christianity is anti-sex as well as anti-female. Actually, Even St Paul says in the Boook of Romans that women should keep their mouths shut in church and the man is the "head of the house" etc...orig:chuangtzu1952


not all "Christianity" is anti-sex and anti-female. Not all Christians base their faith on the loose translation of how Paul felt about women.

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Simply put, BDSM ( especially Femdom ) and Chrisatianity are incompatible. ...orig:chuangtzu1952


Simply put, generalizations like the one above are inaccurate.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 5:33:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		How is BDSM in and of itself fornication? If one chooses to have sex outside of marriage- now that is fornication. I don't see anything in the Bible governing the physics of a married couple and there sexual relationship. Is there a verse?
I think that you are simply twisting the context of the verse to bend to your own argument.

As for St. Paul and his 'writings' on women- Is it quite possible that the evil of man's heart twists scripture to mean what H/he intends it? Yes, sadly many fellow men who are believers read only the first part of the passage in Galatians(and other books) which speak about women submitting to men- but ask them the duties of a man in that same relationship and they squirm. The Bible presents marriage as a two-sided struggle- man turned it into a one side gets all struggle- and the results of those twisted beliefs are seen throughout the west, and especially in areas in Texas where 'woman hating' is almost ingrained and a norm.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 6:59:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's important to separate religion from docterine in your thinking. Religion only exists within you. It's what you actually believe in. Docterine is defined by a church (men that you pay to think about religion for you). For it to be against your religion would mean that you see a conflict between what we do and your sense of what is good, right, and moral. For it to be against the docterine of a particular church to which you might belong is a different issue. The docterines of various forms of Christianity vary. Some accept birth control. Others say its a sin. Some admit gays, and even allow them to become clergy. Others say they're headed straight to hell in a handbasket. One (the Shakers) even said that sex is a bad idea altogether. They're all gone now, but it was fun while it lasted.

At the end of the day, the important thing is to live your life with integrity. If you want to belong to a church that says what we do is wrong, then don't do what we do. In other words, stand up and make a moral choice. If, within yourself, you don't see this life as wrong, then it isn't against your religion, really. It just may violate the docterine of a particular church or religious authority that you have in mind. Reject membership in that church or the teachings of that authority, and find a body of people who do share your religion, if the fellowship of others that share your religion is important to you.

The struggle that you mention in your post is either a struggle with your religion, or with docterine. Figure out which it is, and act accordingly.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 7:43:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CTclay

Faramir, what do you make of this? All quotes from Jesus:

quote:

Matthew 15
18 But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man. 19 For from the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies. 20 These are the things that defile a man. But to eat with unwashed hands doth not defile a man.


http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47015.htm

quote:

Mark 7
21 For from within out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile a man.


http://www.drbo.org/chapter/48007.htm


quote:

Matthew 5
27 You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. 28 But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye scandalize thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell.


http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47005.htm

I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm pointing out that this is difficult. This isn't St. Paul, and I don't think you can seriously argue that these words were put in Jesus' mouth by some later writer, although that may be the only recourse to accepting the fact that Jesus didn't accept fornication or adultery. It looks like you have to give up either BDSM or Christ (at least in part).


As some others have already pointd out, you seem to have made a leap from BDSM to sexual purity.

Every religion I am familiar with: Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Judiasm, all have some standard of sexual purity* - an idea that sexuality is powerful, special, ties you to others and can't be engaged in wily-nilly; in some way there is a ruleset or guiding principle for how sexuality can be whole and hale.

So yes, I think Jesus had something to say about sexuality - nothing to say about the particular modality that sexuality is expressed in. My gateway to intimacy is through power, it is part of who I am, and I know I am lovable in his eyes.

I would also point out that all three of the passages you quoted aren't about sexual purity. They are about intent and the heart. The first two emphasize that it isn't about how clean you are on the outside, following pro forma ablutions to make yourself clean - it is about what is in your heart. We go right or wrong in what we have inside and is thus expressed. The last passage simply points out that we may have internal actions - that a genuine intent to do something has reality.

*I don't know enough about the Tao or neo-Paganism to comment on their stances (and I acknowledge that many wouldn't count acknowledging the Tao as religion).

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 7:43:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Again, I would strongly suggest reading Sylvia Brownes trilogy, "Journey of the soul," it opens up a whole different way of thinking about God and our relationship to him. In it she explains the "God Head" as being made up of the two sexes, male and female, the male is the nonmoving side of God the thinker so to say, and the female is the compassionate, mover of the set, the female exsists so that God can experience, answer our needs and be complete, Jesus, was the result of the two of them merging and bringing the Holy Spirit about. Now she beleives that spirituality is the persons living out a predesigned life line. We come to earth to experience for God the many facets of life, since we all can experience the same thing, such as a car accident, but yet the experience is different for each of us, what I might see as horrible, to some may not be so bad as some other accident they had seen. How we perfect is indivigual and how we experience our relationship with God is very indivigual, she agress with the posters here that said that alot of the dogma that we have with religion, is due to man trying to control the mass', to bring in money to the church and make people fear for their souls . I hope I didn't ramble, but am trying to explain that alot of this did answer some questions in my own mine, I am baptist by beleif but yet something was missing, and now I understand some things clearer by reading this set of books by sylvia, why does religion have to be so hard I can't beleive God wanted it to be like that. And in the lifestyle of BDSM, perhaps God is experiencing this side of life, to see what can make us truely happy not what mankind says is exceptable, He created us as indiviguals, what works for one doesn't necc. work for another, you just have to sort out what works for you and do it.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 7:52:32 AM   
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So, in my opinion, the reason Dommes who embrace pagan religions seem fully integrated, and Christianity ( especially Americans ) struggle with guilt or are simply Christian in name only, is because Christianity is anti-sex as well as anti-female. Actually, Even St Paul says in the Boook of Romans that women should keep their mouths shut in church and the man is the "head of the house" etc.

These are, once again my personal observations and opinions and do not intend to denigrate Christianity. Simply put, BDSM ( especially Femdom ) and Chrisatianity are incompatible.


Despite your disclaimer, this is an offensive, denigrating comment that imposes your personal anger and conflict on others. It's disrespectful of other people's road and freedom to choose to decide in a blanket sense that any faith is insufficient.

I could post something long, half-right and without nuance here tracing the screwed up history of Buddhism, pointing out how incompatible Buddhism is with BDSM because it is anti-power exchange and emasculating, and that Christian Doms are capable, but Buddhist Doms are hesitant and conflicted, and blah blah bah. And it would be equally inappropriate and offense.

You haven't really said anything about Christianity or BDSM here. You are instead talking about yourself: your experience, prejudices, fears, anger and predilictions.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 8:02:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Paul did not have a negative view of women, neither in the church nor in the home. This is a common misconception due to misinterpretation of the text. Rather, Paul held women in the highest of regards.

Paul speaking out against women speaking in the church was merely an outcry against loud raucous women that went in to upset the proceedings. They would stand in the church and yell across the aisles asking their husbands what the teacher was talking about, disrupting the church. See, men would sit on one side of the church, women would sit on the other. Paul was telling the women of the church to wait until they got home to ask their questions, if any.

Paul also gave the strictest responsibility to men in a marriage. True, he told women to submit, but he gave men the more grave task of ensuring the well being of her and the family or answer to God.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 8:48:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chuangtzu1952
So, in my opinion, the reason Dommes who embrace pagan religions seem fully integrated, and Christianity ( especially Americans ) struggle with guilt or are simply Christian in name only, is because Christianity is anti-sex as well as anti-female. Actually, Even St Paul says in the Boook of Romans that women should keep their mouths shut in church and the man is the "head of the house" etc.


Chuangtzu, I am very happy that you escaped the fundamentalist hell that was suffocating you. Yes, there is no doubt that some branches of Christianity are very harsh and intolerant. But please do not write off all of Christianity. I think you will find that the values emphasized vary between denominations and even by congregations. I have found as a Catholic that some congregations are much more tolerant and care-focused than others.

There is much room for acceptance of diversity within Christianity.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 6:01:40 PM   
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Martin Luther had the same problem. thankfully, he didn't just sit on his hands.


Who's sitting on their hands? I just nailed my theses to the CollarMe door. I'm troubled, asking for the input of others and I'm not afraid to take the direction that my judgment leads me in after considering the views of my fellow theologians here.

What would you suggest I do with my hands? Merc & beth? (On second thought, don't answer that.)

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 7:18:04 PM   
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I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm pointing out that this is difficult. This isn't St. Paul, and I don't think you can seriously argue that these words were put in Jesus' mouth by some later writer, although that may be the only recourse to accepting the fact that Jesus didn't accept fornication or adultery. It looks like you have to give up either BDSM or Christ (at least in part). And I think He demands at least the attempt at total obedience. Boy, would I love to be proven wrong.

(This is from the Douay-Rheims version. I'm using it because the site is particularly easy to work with to find a passage.)


How the heck do you get BDSM to equal fornication and adultery?



"Raphael," "dark angel" -- obviously I'm not on the side of the angels here.

I get from BDSM to fornication the way most of us do, I guess. Get naked with someone of the opposite sex, concentrate on sensuality and you're either in a sauna in Finland or you're going to be having lotsa lustful thoughts, and one thing leads to another, and well ... fornication almost always seems to be a good idea at the time, doesn't it?

Yeah, I know you don't fornicate with everyone you scene with. And I've hardly ever become erect during scenes, especially in public, but would any of us really be in this without loving the sex, the thoughts of sex and the possibility of sex? Am I the only one who finds BDSM totally erotic? Even the chastity is erotic and supposed to be erotic, isn't it? Doesn't the anticipation of scening, watching scening and thinking about the scening you did previously lead to incredibly erotic thoughts in all of us? Maybe not every time, but inevitably a lot over time.

It may be something more than just erotic, but isn't the erotic integral to BDSM? Can you really separate it from "look(ing) on a woman to lust after her" (or on a man to lust after him)? Now to get to adultery from lustful thoughts, see my last Bible quote.

Maybe some of you are different, but for me BDSM, at root, is interesting mostly because it's erotic. It incites my lust. But maybe I'm just one weird perv and other people can have fun with it while maintaining their purity. If you can bottle the secret to that, sign me up for a case.

lust -- "Intense or unrestrained sexual craving."
http://www.answers.com/lust&r=67

If I had to choose a little picture to put next to this definition, it would be of a female dominant, seen from below as she raises her hand with some delightful instrument of torture in it, about to hit me. I'd better not think about this much more right now.

BDSM doesn't have to "equal" fornication to kind of grease the skids as you slide toward it.

How the heck do I get BDSM to equal fornication and adultery? Actually it's how I get from BDSM to adultery to heck that worries me.

Faramir wrote:
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As some others have already pointd out, you seem to have made a leap from BDSM to sexual purity.


I guess I'd call it a baby step (I take it you mean sexual IMpurity). Christ does equate lust with lack of sexual purity, because what counts is what's in your head and heart. I don't believe Christ thinks there's an innocent lustfulness (I suppose in marriage it's OK).

quote:

I would also point out that all three of the passages you quoted aren't about sexual purity.They are about intent and the heart.


Faramir, I think you mean something different than (lack of) purity.

pu·ri·ty (pyur'ĭ-tē)
"Freedom from sin or guilt; innocence; chastity"
http://www.answers.com/purity&r=67

Lust in your heart, adultery, fornication -- I think it's pretty clear that Jesus was saying these are all about intent of the heart. All impure. For you maybe BDSM isn't about lust. Seriously, I'd like to know more about how that can be done.

I've said earlier in this thread that I don't think I'd have a problem with BDSM within marriage. Maybe I'll just have to wait to get tied up after I've tied the knot, get my balls in chains when I get the ol' ball and chain, get my bondage within the holy bonds of matrimony, obey when I love, honor and -- OK, I'll stop.

And you know what they say: it's always fun until you get to the point where you have to pluck your eye out and cast it from thee... OK, now I'll stop.

Seriously, if I'm missing the point of something that's been said here, please point it out to me.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 7:30:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I simply stick to the interpretation of passages refering to pre-marital sex: I don't do it. Do I want to, yes. But I'm a guy, I always want to do it even if it's not in a BDSM context.

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RE: BDSM lifestyle VS Christianity/Religion - 5/17/2005 11:56:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		there should be no vs when it comes to Christianity and BDSM Lifestyle, since much of BDSM was initiated in the days of the Inquisitions by the Christian leaders of the times.

This is not an opinion, it is based on the historical accounts of those days, though not primary nor empirical since I was not there. I only studied about it.

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