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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 1:04:27 AM   
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Paul was wrong there but Bin Laden *did* say that the reason for the attack on 9/11 was that the U.S. had military bases in Saudi-Arabia.
Ron Paul and a lot of people in this country including me don't want the U.S. to be the world policeman.
Some politicians "say" that but we keep being the world policeman.
It's time for that stuff to end.
Guliani is in the wrong party, he's a Democrat.


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LOVE Ron Paul  (RUDEy should read up, Dr. Paul is correct) -  I guess Rudy Giuliani was too busy increasing adoptions in 1996 to read of Osama Bin Laden's declaration of war.

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I hope Paul sticks around, though he's in the wrong party.



Kudos to all three of you.

If either of those two shitbags McCain or Goon-le-onny gets elected, we're going to see more of this nuanced, preemptive war, fake-war on terror bullshit continue. And you can bet they'll pick-up where Bush has left off, spending the American people right into the slums.

I didn't watch the debate......but I love Ron Paul too, and I hope he hangs in there, also.


- R



PS -  No need to cave-in to any of the goony TV watchers.


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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 1:13:37 AM   
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United States had military bases there because Saddam decided to invade Kuwait and the Saudis feared Saddam would soon invade Saudi Arabia.



The book Cobra II disputes the claim that we have military bases in Saudi Arabia now.

Our administration only succeeded in allowing a US military presence in Saudi Arabia for as long as it took the US to force the Iraqi forces out of Kuwait.

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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 1:38:06 AM   
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I'm a Jew who doesn't support helping Israel.

They have their own Neutron Bombs... They don't need anyone's help.

So much for that hypothesis.




Thank you brother - I missed that one, but it was damn good lol!  ; }



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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 5:52:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Representative Paul certainly didn't hold back. To my view, his comments had a sense of correctness to them, but went a bit too far.
 
Somewhere between the "radical evil Muslims want to kill us" and, "we brought this on ourselves" ... is the truth. Last night we had nine candidates that supported the former, and one supporting the latter. I don't see any of them as entirely correct.
 
One thing for sure ... whoever this Ronald Reagan guy is, he really should be running for President, because he certainly could get the vote of all the guys on that stage last night.

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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 6:44:20 AM   
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I'm a Jew who doesn't support helping Israel.

They have their own Neutron Bombs... They don't need anyone's help.

So much for that hypothesis.




There are always exceptions but the majority of Jews are not going to vote for someone who doesn't support Israel.


I disagree with that hypothesis, too.

I doubt there's a "majority" of Jews who agree on anything. Until it's time to pick up rifles and repel invaders, arguing is perhaps the defining characteristic.

Of course, some would disagree...



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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 6:46:41 AM   
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United States had military bases there because Saddam decided to invade Kuwait and the Saudis feared Saddam would soon invade Saudi Arabia.



The book Cobra II disputes the claim that we have military bases in Saudi Arabia now.

Our administration only succeeded in allowing a US military presence in Saudi Arabia for as long as it took the US to force the Iraqi forces out of Kuwait.

Sinergy





I wanna see if I understand this.

Did BUSH SURRENDER TO BIN LADIN, AND GIVE INTO HIS DEMANDS TO WITHDRAW FROM SAUDI ARABIA???



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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 7:36:30 AM   
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Statistically I can tell you why Ron Paul came in so high on that poll...
You got a total of 10 candidates. One is anti-war. Guess who got all the anti-war votes...Ron Paul. Every other vote got distributed between the other 9 candidates. Not to mention the amount of liberals that most definately put in a vote for Paul because of his anti-war stance.
Text polls are also not scientific by any stretch.
In any case, Paul did not win that debate. And he would be a long-shot even if he ran as a Democrat since he is too conservative on every other issue for the Dems. He also would have no chance at the Jewish vote since he doesn't support helping Israel. Basically....he is one of those unelectable candidates.


Hey, I wasn't saying he won by any means. I was just enjoying seeing Hannity and Colms makes asses of themselves and the shock on their faces when the person they were bashing turned up the winner in their own little poll.  Puh-lease! I know there is nothing less scientific than a text messaging poll but that wasn't the point.  And here is another Jew who doesn't give a rat's ass if we "support Israel."


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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 11:41:43 AM   
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They'll keep us involved in Iraq for a *very* long time!
Also, when they say that we need to be "involved" in global affairs that's "code" for "we're going to keep doing what's going on now."
This isn't the time to be opening more embasseys, it's time to be closing a lot of the unneccessary ones.

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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 1:14:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I heard someone on TV say that the biggest winner may be the guys who were not even there...Fred Thompson and Newt Gingrich.

Fred Thompson posted a video that got 600,000 hits. Compare this to the amount of people that downloaded the Ron Paul vs. Rudy clip on the net (16,000) there seems to be a hope out there in the GOP that Fred Thompson runs.

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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 2:18:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, Fred Thompson? The guy who puts money in Fidel Castro's pockets but UNLAWFULLY IMPORTING Montecristos?

He's a fucking COMMIE SYMPATHIZER if you ask me.



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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 2:25:13 PM   
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Yeah, Fred Thompson? The guy who puts money in Fidel Castro's pockets but UNLAWFULLY IMPORTING Montecristos?

He's a fucking COMMIE SYMPATHIZER if you ask me.




Well its either him or Guiliani, so make your choice.

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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 2:28:55 PM   
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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 3:29:41 PM   
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Yeah, Fred Thompson? The guy who puts money in Fidel Castro's pockets but UNLAWFULLY IMPORTING Montecristos?

He's a fucking COMMIE SYMPATHIZER if you ask me.




Well its either him or Guiliani, so make your choice.


It won't be Guliani.

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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 4:01:57 PM   
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Yeah, Fred Thompson? The guy who puts money in Fidel Castro's pockets but UNLAWFULLY IMPORTING Montecristos?

He's a fucking COMMIE SYMPATHIZER if you ask me.




Well its either him or Guiliani, so make your choice.


It won't be Guliani.


So who do you think it will be?

Rudy is leading the polls right now. (29%)
McCain has been in a steady decline. (23%)
Fred Thompson shows 12%  even though he hasn't even announced he is running.
Romney (9%)
Tancredo, Brownback, and Huckabee each have 1%
Hunter, Tommy Thompson, and Ron Paul don't even register a single percentage point in the latest Gallup poll.

On the Democrat side....it shows Hillary with a now 10 pt lead over Obama. If you take Al Gore out of the calculation....Hillary is ahead by 13 points. Its looking more and more like Hillary is going to be the Dem's nominee.

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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 4:59:02 PM   
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Representative Paul certainly didn't hold back. To my view, his comments had a sense of correctness to them, but went a bit too far.
 
Somewhere between the "radical evil Muslims want to kill us" and, "we brought this on ourselves" ... is the truth. Last night we had nine candidates that supported the former, and one supporting the latter. I don't see any of them as entirely correct.
 
One thing for sure ... whoever this Ronald Reagan guy is, he really should be running for President, because he certainly could get the vote of all the guys on that stage last night.


Caitlyn....


I did didn't watch the debate.....but I don't have to to like Ron Paul. I think he's the candidate that would/could easily help the average American the most. Didn't Sinergy say something to the effect ''that you should clean your own house up first before you worry about someone else’s''? There's hellva lota truth in that -- I don't understand why that doesn't register with most folks.

Since you have worked for him and live in his state, I think it would be nice if you could educate us all on this great man.



- R


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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 5:05:59 PM   
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Yeah, Fred Thompson? The guy who puts money in Fidel Castro's pockets but UNLAWFULLY IMPORTING Montecristos?

He's a fucking COMMIE SYMPATHIZER if you ask me.




Well its either him or Guiliani, so make your choice.


It won't be Guliani.


So who do you think it will be?

Rudy is leading the polls right now. (29%)
McCain has been in a steady decline. (23%)
Fred Thompson shows 12%  even though he hasn't even announced he is running.
Romney (9%)
Tancredo, Brownback, and Huckabee each have 1%
Hunter, Tommy Thompson, and Ron Paul don't even register a single percentage point in the latest Gallup poll.

On the Democrat side....it shows Hillary with a now 10 pt lead over Obama. If you take Al Gore out of the calculation....Hillary is ahead by 13 points. Its looking more and more like Hillary is going to be the Dem's nominee.


Put your money on Fred  ...

Here's that video clip of him responding to Michael Moore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds_GhRxivOI

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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 5:21:12 PM   
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I'm a Jew who doesn't support helping Israel.

They have their own Neutron Bombs... They don't need anyone's help.

So much for that hypothesis.




There are always exceptions but the majority of Jews are not going to vote for someone who doesn't support Israel.


Yanno....

I grew up with a ''teacher'' for a father....and one of the earliest lessons I can remember learning is one that is still very fresh and vivid in my mind. It was preached over and over and over.

That lesson was to never throw good money after bad money.

In other words, if you had a car and drove it for a while, and maybe the transmission went out, you fix it. But if after you replace the transmission and then drive it a couple of weeks and then the engine craps out, it's time to wash your hands of it and get rid of it and get a new car!!!

Do you understand that?

I see the Israel / Arab situation in much the same way I see the situation with the messed-up, broken down car.

It's time to quit throwing good money after bad, and wash our hands of both peoples. Let them eliminate each other.... and the world will be a much better place with both of them gone.



- R


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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 5:41:00 PM   
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I think everyone can read his bio for themselves, so I will instead tell a few things about him that may not be so obvious.
 
He is an amazing and highly sought after public speaker. The only other speaker I have ever seen, who was better at Q&A. was former President Clinton. I have been told, by someone that I would imagine knows these sorts of thing, that he donates his entire fee for speaking, to the United Way, and that this is something you can Google for the rest of your life and never confirm.
 
He is very popular with the college set, of both political persuasions. I worked on his phone bank and consider myself a Democrat. The people that volunteered to work for him ran a very wide spectrum. I've never worked for another candidate, so this may be normal, but we had everything from businessmen with Rolexs, to people wearing tie-dye.
 
While we are on the phone bank topic, I have a short story to tell. One evening, in walks Ron Paul. This is the only time I have actually met him, other than seeing him speak two other times. So, he walks in, and asks for some help from some of the guys. They all come back a few minutes later and have ten of those Starbucks pitchers, box after box of Krispy Kreams, bags of fresh fruit, party trays, and juice. Big deal ... right? Well, here is the thing ... he didn't send some staffer to get the stuff, or pay to have it delivered, or just give money to the volunteers to score the stuff ... he went and got it himself, and he must have made about four stops to do it. So, I'm watching and thinking ... dude ... U.S. Congressman, driving around town, scoring donuts and coffee ... oh, and just in case some are thinking healthy thoughts, lets stop at the grocery store and score some fruit and juice ... and you know, you never know when someone is going to need a sandwich. So, anyway, he hangs out for the rest of the evening just being friendly. He insists that everyone calls him Ron.
 
He sent me a hand written Christmas card.
 
There are a lot of things I don't agree with him on. He is really in to the notion that the Constitution, as originally written, is an almost perfect document. I'm a little less sure on that. There are also a wealth of particular issues where we aren't on the same side ... big shocker, I'm a Democrat.
 
But ... if you want the best man in the land to be President of the United States, vote for Ron Paul.

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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 5:51:48 PM   
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Most of those guys don't want to change anything, they want the status quo, certainly, McCain, Guliani and Thompson.

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RE: Republican Debate in S. Carolina tonight. - 5/16/2007 6:09:52 PM   
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Ron Paul is right about a lot of things and I think it made Guliani feel uncomfortable because it would mean *changing* the way we do things!
Most of those guys don't want to change anything, they want the status quo, certainly, McCain, Guliani and Thompson.


Im not so sure on that. From the experts I've been reading and listening to today, they are saying that Paul may have handed Guiliani the nomination last night. Not only did it distract attention away from the abortion debate, but it brought 9/11 back on the table which is Rudy's strength. Paul is not going to beat Rudy on that issue. It won't happen. He doesn't have the experience.
If you remember Rudy tore up a $10 million dollar check he got from Saudi Arabia because a Saudi prince said 9/11 was because American foreign policy. Ron Paul said basically the same thing last night and Rudy went into attack mode. And from what the pollsters and experts are saying....Rudy won.

Every candidate missed the mark last night. They all had a perfect oppertunity several times to attack Rudy on issues that he is weak with such as family morals and abortion. None of them were able to hit him with that. And that's why Rudy won this debate.

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