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OsideGirl -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 9:31:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

When I see "under consideration", I wonder, what is being considered?  If he likes you?  If you are suitable?  Does he think maybe, but not quite sure .... yet?  I don't understand why it is necessary. 
  I feel the same way. Especially because men far outnumber women in the lifestyle. Due to supply and demand, women (whether Dom or sub) are the people actually in the position to pick and choose.

I've always considered dating to be the "I'm deciding if I like you" phase.

It's always seemed to me that "under consideration" is way for many Doms to get a commitment from the submissive, while they're free to keep looking.




daddysprop247 -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 9:43:01 AM)

while i can understand in a distant sort of way what the term means to some, for me it means nothing as my relationships just don't progress in that way.  in the vanilla world, i never "dated"...either i was single, or i was in a committed relationship...no in-between, no period of being with a person and feeling them out, testing whether or not we would be suitable for one another.

in D/s, i immediately knew that a slave was all i wished to be, so either i would be free and single (no commitments or attachments), or i'd be someone's property. with Daddy, literally one day he was my good friend and Mentor, and the next he was my Master for life. He didn't "consider" me and i didn't "consider" him. before the moment when we actually became Master and slave, we had no commitment of any kind to one another, and neither of us had even considered the other for a partner. it is just one of those things where you just KNOW...even if the idea had never occured to you before, suddenly to your very core you know it's exactly what must be.




KatyLied -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 9:57:01 AM)

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It's always seemed to me that "under consideration" is way for many Doms to get a commitment from the submissive, while they're free to keep looking.


Yep.  As in I am considering you until something better comes along.




OsideGirl -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:02:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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It's always seemed to me that "under consideration" is way for many Doms to get a commitment from the submissive, while they're free to keep looking.


Yep.  As in I am considering you until something better comes along.



Kind of like the Bloomies clearance sale..."I'm holding this sweater because I don't want someone else to grab it, but I'm looking to see if there's a cashmere one on the rack."[;)]




KatyLied -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:04:19 AM)

If some of them only realized that cotton can often be a better choice!




slaverosebeauty -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:07:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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It's always seemed to me that "under consideration" is way for many Doms to get a commitment from the submissive, while they're free to keep looking.


Yep.  As in I am considering you until something better comes along.



Waiting for a BBD {bigger better deal} so to speak.

It's  just like a small child who will carry a toy around all day, and NOT play it, they JUST want it so that someone else won't play with it.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:21:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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It's always seemed to me that "under consideration" is way for many Doms to get a commitment from the submissive, while they're free to keep looking.


Yep.  As in I am considering you until something better comes along.



Waiting for a BBD {bigger better deal} so to speak.

It's  just like a small child who will carry a toy around all day, and NOT play it, they JUST want it so that someone else won't play with it.


If I may, allow me to give you a different vision of what "under consideration may mean". 

There is a very great temptation to move a d/s relationship further and faster than may be wise. How could it be otherwise? You have one party who's greatest desire is to be in command of another and another party who's greatest desire is to be commanded. It is this desire which leads to a form of serial monogamy that has lesbians saying "what the hell is their hurry?"

Before you can know someone well enough to really talk about ownership, long term submission, whatever term you wish to use for it, it is necessary for the parties to get to kow one another. This means going beyond a good first date or first play experience. This means knowing what the person believes, needs, wants and offers. It means being able to answer from expereinence questions like "What is this person like after a rotten day at work? When they're sick? When they're sad? What are they like after the first month's euphoria wears off and the real work of a relationshi begins? Until all those things are determined, talking about ownership relationships is like getting married through the mail. It may work out, but it's not the best way to maximize one's odds of sucsess.

The term Under Consideration works well for both parties. It keeps the wolves somewhat at bay, "Sorry....can't go meet you in a vacent alley, I'm under consderation." It gives the sub a chance to consider the Dom as well as the Dom the sub. And it gives them both enough satiation of the desire to comitt and be comitted (and so many of us in this lifestyle deeply need to be committed) while recognizing that there is a long way to go to get to a place of talking "yours forever".

Just a thought on the matter...I could be wrong....Nahhhh...I'm never wrong :Grin:




m0rgan -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:30:12 AM)

it means "you're on the shortlist, not the shit-list"!!




dawntreader -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:30:26 AM)

Well said!




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:33:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
The term Under Consideration works well for both parties. It keeps the wolves somewhat at bay, "Sorry....can't go meet you in a vacent alley, I'm under consderation."

What about the person they are under consideration with?  They aren't a wolf?

Do they need a shroud of "consideration" to feel confident in their judgement and to say no to someone?

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 It gives the sub a chance to consider the Dom as well as the Dom the sub. And it gives them both enough satiation of the desire to comitt and be comitted (and so many of us in this lifestyle deeply need to be committed) while recognizing that there is a long way to go to get to a place of talking "yours forever".

Just a thought on the matter...I could be wrong....Nahhhh...I'm never wrong :Grin:
Again, this only works if everyone posts that they are "under consideration"  Otherwise, it's just something for the sub to be kept separated from the herd.




OsideGirl -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:34:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales


It keeps the wolves somewhat at bay, "Sorry....can't go meet you in a vacent alley, I'm under consderation."
  Or they could just say "No". You should be able to do that with out citing "under consideration".




KatyLied -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:35:56 AM)

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Do they need a shroud of "consideration" to feel confident in their judgement and to say no to someone?


Why can't people just get to a grown up place and say "no thanks, I'm exclusive" or "no thanks, I'm a relationship" or "no thanks, I'm not interested."




bliss1 -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:36:55 AM)

I love the answer SpinnerofTales gave. It is solid and has foundation.
Since so many of us met our mates online (be it bdsm or mainstream) it does seem the way to go.

I need to change my profile so that it shows I wear a protection collar (and believe me the Dom and I talked along time about my reasons for wanting it) online.

Some may see them as foolish - but for those of us who take them - it is for vaild reasons. Not many I know take them to be players.




MadRabbit -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:36:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: happypervert

I got a BDSM decoder ring in a box of Cracker Jacks, and "under consideration" translates to "we're dating".


*sighs*

My work is already done...




dawntreader -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:37:43 AM)

So what would be the vanilla equivalent of "under consideration"?




bliss1 -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:38:44 AM)

A promise ring.




KatyLied -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:42:09 AM)

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So what would be the vanilla equivalent of "under consideration"?


dating




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:42:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied
Why can't people just get to a grown up place and say "no thanks, I'm exclusive" or "no thanks, I'm a relationship" or "no thanks, I'm not interested."

Same reason they love mentors/protectors/fake collars- anything to NOT take direct responsibility and have to bear the burden of telling someone "Not interested" or "No thanks."




LadyHugs -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:50:58 AM)

Dear pinksugarsub, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Under consideration was used as a term, before the "Internet" and the ability to network and find others from behind the monitor.
 
From my salad days in the lifestyle, many of my Gay Leather circles used this term as to give a chance to let a couple find out if they were compatable beyond the 'sex' and the Leather and or M/s.  In my mind's eyes I see -- the effort was finding out about the entire person, not the public persona where most met each other in bar settings and or on biker road trips or ralley. 
 
Those days, I do recall the use of a blue leather collar as to mark a boy under consideration.  It was the etiquette of the day to be hands off, not undermind the two in this exploring stage --giving them a real chance to discover beyond the lust, beyond impulse and beyond public package and or model and stand sorts.
 
It would be polite to inform others that you are in a 'consideration' phase and perhaps, adding that for this time--without those who interfere as to give the two of you a chance to really discover each other without distraction.
 
As for a slave to put dibs on a Master -- Well, it can be considered a notice to the Master, that a slave is interested.  However, both the Master and slave are independent individuals until they both agree to take it into the next levels.  We hear about slaves having to consent, well not enough is mentioned about the Master has to consent also.
 
If things did not work out, there was absolutely no harm done to either party, the collar off the boy was a free agent again.  But, I will also mention in those days, Masters were not so 'cut throat' and out to collect as to have numbers for a stable per se.  Masters talked with each other and would alert other Masters if they had a boy that might be worth consideration.  Those times were when people cared about the slaves and or boys deeply, as to be looking for anybody that would be a good match.  Everybody sought happiness.  The Leather men networked and did what they could to make that a possibility.
 
Please do understand, these times were the days where cell phones did not exist, not everybody had circles they could circulate in.  People were invited by reference and careful consideration was given before allowed into such circles, as discrete was the keystone for those days.
 
I do agree with the philosophy behind the 'collar of consideration' as well as the need to go more deeply beyond sex, play and parties--to develop some sense of who a person really is.  In their best of times and in the worst of times.  Relationships go beyond Leather, M/s and kinky sex--it really is about total individuals--flaws and all.  The patience level for all involved was much higher and longer in those days.  It was a big step, a big commitment.   Now days, people take more time in considering their automobile purchase then their relationships.  Slowing things down may be a wise thing to do in these days of 'on demand' and 'instant gratification and or demand.'
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 




HenryIX -> RE: "Under Consideration" (5/16/2007 10:55:59 AM)

For a while I've held -- and voiced in private -- quite strong views on this topic.  Nothing so far posted on this thread even begins to dissuade me from them.  As a Mentor, I always advise a sub as follows

If a soi-disant Dom wants you to post "Under Consideration" in your profile, I have two pieces of advice.  You should do both of them.  Rule One: insist that he do the same.  Rule Two: mention his ID in your profile, so that others can check that he is following Rule One.

This simply follows a principle that has always been central to my own credo. If I may, I'll quote it from my profile at another site.

What I do to you must always respect your limits as well as my own. Since my limits probably go further than yours, it follows that your erotic needs are more precisely important than mine (even when your chief need is to have your needs ignored -- perhaps in a way that others might regard as cruel!). Think about that principle. It doesn't diminish my domination over you. On the contrary, it means that the person I am dominating is in fact you, not just some idealised figure in my perverted head. Like any good Dominant, I am a dedicated caregiver. If you ever find one who is not, you have found a sociopath, a dolt or a wannabe (or all three); get out at once, and leave no forwarding address.

Love and stripes,

William
alias HenryIX





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