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Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/17/2007 6:17:00 PM   
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Meet "Generation Plastic"
 
Credit cards are being marketed to kids as young as 3:
by college, many are thousands of dollars in debt
 
" (CBS) Today's crop of college graduates has been dubbed "Generation Plastic." Here's why.

CBS News correspondent Nancy Cordes met with a group of college seniors and asked how many of them would be graduating with credit card debt. Most of the students raised their hands.

"Quite a bit!" one woman laughed.

A group of University of Colorado students are the norm these days. The average senior graduates with $3,000 in credit card debt and at least four credit cards.

One student Cordes spoke with said she had "about 10" credit cards.

"They set up stands on campus like, 'oh, hey, you get a free T-shirt,' you get a free this or that," if you sign up," one student said.

"I had Visa, Visa MasterCard, First Financial Bank, Visa, Gap, Target" says college senior Sara Magee. She was lured at 18 by the promise of a free Frisbee. A dozen credit cards later, she's working three jobs to pay down $6,000 in charges, fees and interest.

"I didn't understand interest and what a high APR was — I really just didn't understand the concept, and it seemed like a good idea — like (I) can't afford it now, but I will pay it off later," she says.

But these days, the sales pitch starts long before freshman year. The new version of the iconic game of Life is replacing fake cash with fake Visa cards … while "Cool Shoppin' Barbie" prefers MasterCard and American Express.

"Kids today get marketed at the age of three," says Robert Manning, author of "Credit Card Nation." He says lenders are getting more aggressive, hooking youngsters now so they sign up once they turn 18.

"The assumption is the first card is going to lead to some degree of loyalty in that banking institution and that credit card will lead to a student loan, to a car loan, to a mortgage," Manning says.

Speaking to a high school class, Cordes asked how many of the students had gotten a credit card solicitation in the mail. All of the students raised their hands
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Nearly all of the high schoolers she talked to from Denver said they wanted one — until they got a lesson on how credit cards actually work.

"You’re paying them more," says Tanya Breeling of Young Americans Center for Financial Education. "They're making more money off of you."

Breeling educates kids about credit cards. But how many kids that she's talked to have learned about credit from their own parents?

"I would say in a classroom of 20, maybe 1 or 2 of them," she says.

The latest product from lenders: debit cards like Visa Buxx and the PAYjr. MasterCard for kids as young as 13. Parents prepay and can monitor their child's spending. Critics call them credit cards with training wheels. The companies say they're a life lesson.

"The reality is that my kids, and really any child or teenager today, is likely never to write a check or even use cash, for that matter," said David Jones, CEO of PAYjr.


That's even more reason for parents to make sure they get through to their kids about credit — before the marketers do. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/17/eveningnews/main2821916.shtml

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/17/2007 6:21:00 PM   
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I don't think this is a student issue, or a marketing issue, or an evil corporate bank issue.  The plain fact is that most Americans are functionally illiterate.  They cannot read.  They cannot write.  They don't understand money.  And worst of all, they reject the notion that they should ever, ever learn.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/17/2007 6:23:06 PM   
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I don't think this is a student issue, or a marketing issue, or an evil corporate bank issue.  The plain fact is that most Americans are functionally illiterate.  They cannot read.  They cannot write.  They don't understand money.  And worst of all, they reject the notion that they should ever, ever learn.



i disagree.  i think the banks are getting students to use plastic to increase profits.  Keep them using the credit cards to make sure they have the high interest rates by paying the minimum.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/17/2007 7:03:56 PM   
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Sure they are, but that's their job.  Parents ought to be teaching kids how to do business, but most parents don't know how to do that themselves.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/17/2007 7:10:42 PM   
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No credit cards here. If  I can't buy it I can't afford it. I stopped helping the Credit Card Companies / Banks  get Richer years ago.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/17/2007 7:18:43 PM   
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What revolts me is, in addition to seeking to make high interest loans to a vulnerable population, is that banks successfully lobbied for changes to the bankruptcy laws, making it impossible for many P/pl to discharge credit card debt.
 
i think they are evil, blood sucking, good for nothing companies who need to be investigated and prosecuted by someone with balls.  ("Balls" in the generic sense of being gutsy.)

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/17/2007 7:39:08 PM   
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lol me too.  If i put something on a credit card, i pay it off right away.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/18/2007 2:01:37 PM   
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I have 1 credit card from my local bank with a fixed limit.
Normally I use it for tuition, books and gasoline rather than
paying by cash or check.  That is much easier than carrying
around lots of cash and refunds are simpler with a credit card
than with a check.
 

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/18/2007 2:44:02 PM   
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Besides car payment we are debt free


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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/18/2007 9:08:08 PM   
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Oh..well when I worked in a Mental Health Hospital..these same credit card companies sent preapproved credit cards to residents.  When I went to outpatient case management you would be surprised at the number of clients with credit card problems.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/18/2007 10:32:14 PM   
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Oh..well when I worked in a Mental Health Hospital..these same credit card companies sent preapproved credit cards to residents.  When I went to outpatient case management you would be surprised at the number of clients with credit card problems.


No... I don't think I would be surprised.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/19/2007 7:26:23 AM   
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illd rahter do thrift stores and dumster dive,

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/19/2007 8:43:27 AM   
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"They set up stands on campus like, 'oh, hey, you get a free T-shirt,' you get a free this or that," if you sign up," one student said.

"I didn't understand interest and what a high APR was — I really just didn't understand the concept, and it seemed like a good idea — like (I) can't afford it now, but I will pay it off later," she says.

But these days, the sales pitch starts long before freshman year. The new version of the iconic game of Life is replacing fake cash with fake Visa cards … while "Cool Shoppin' Barbie" prefers MasterCard and American Express.


my first credit card was AmEx - the application arrived exactly the day i graduated from high school. i didn't understand that the bill had to be paid at once - good thing i didn't use it much while i was away at college. yet i was hooked into spending more than i made. then came, Lane Bryant, The Avenue and MasterCard however that was about 15yrs ago.  now i don't carry any credit cards.


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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/19/2007 9:37:57 AM   
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My old credit card was cancelled years ago, due to inactivity. When I finally paid it off, I just refused to use it. I had to get a new underground water pipe last year for 4 grand. I got a credit card with zero percent interest for a year. I am on pace to have it paid off in a year. Then I dont know, I might use it every now and then, to keep it active. I will not hesitate to get another card with zero percent for a year if I need a quick couple grand.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/19/2007 9:38:45 AM   
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I'd like to think that if someone is in college then they have enough brains to realize that anything they buy with a credit card has to be paid.  I got my first card on campus.  I still have that card and it helped me establish credit.  I also paid it off every month and never put more on it then I could pay.  Credit cards aren't bad.  Not having enough brains to use them effectively isn't the problem of the cards.  Once again this is a situation where people are finding reasons to not be responsible for their own actions.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/19/2007 10:50:01 AM   
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Are Credit Cards legitimate ways to deal wit money? Sure. I have an account that I use to deal with my health care expenses. I can deal with the $100 a month, it's the sudden shock of $2000 at once that kills my bank account.

Is the populace at large unaware of the ways that credit cards work? Yes. Who's fault is it? I think there's enough to go around. Parents don't teach their kids about the basics of interest, but then again many don't understand the basics of interest themselves. I think there's enough fault to lay at our public education system. I recall a "Home Economics." class that was a mandated class for the school, but was a throw-away, politically-correct feel-good class that had nothing to do with "Economics". I also place fault on the credit card companies for the arcane laws and privlidges that they place in their service agreements that make it harder for the typical consumer to use and understand.

Are the credit card companies unethical? "Technically" no. they have everything up-front in their agreements. Functionally, the agreements are so long and filled with arcane legal language that is almost designed to make the understandable. There are numerous recorded instances of a credit card company changing the due date of the bill, officially for obscuire financial reasons, unofficially to screw with the debt-holder and make them unable to know when their next payment is due.

There's a few Frontline shows on the Credit Card companies worth watching, though the titles escape me now.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/19/2007 11:12:50 AM   
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I agree with Aileen; there is nothing inherently wrong with the idea of a credit card, just as there is nothing inherently wrong with a pineapple.  If someone chooses to buy a pineapple and shove it in their nose because they never bothered to look up the real uses for it, I don't blame Dole, I laugh at the idiot.

Same with credit cards - lots of people use them responsibly, the info is there (The interest rate is directly beside the minimum payment on my bill), so the evil corporation aint lying.  The parents aren't being forced to get their toddler the credit card.  The students aren't being lied to, all the info is on the contract. 

I'm all for survival of the fittest; at least that way the idiots learn.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/19/2007 4:41:28 PM   
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quote:

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Are Credit Cards legitimate ways to deal wit money? Sure. I have an account that I use to deal with my health care expenses. I can deal with the $100 a month, it's the sudden shock of $2000 at once that kills my bank account.

Is the populace at large unaware of the ways that credit cards work? Yes. Who's fault is it? I think there's enough to go around. Parents don't teach their kids about the basics of interest, but then again many don't understand the basics of interest themselves. I think there's enough fault to lay at our public education system. I recall a "Home Economics." class that was a mandated class for the school, but was a throw-away, politically-correct feel-good class that had nothing to do with "Economics". I also place fault on the credit card companies for the arcane laws and privlidges that they place in their service agreements that make it harder for the typical consumer to use and understand.

Are the credit card companies unethical? "Technically" no. they have everything up-front in their agreements. Functionally, the agreements are so long and filled with arcane legal language that is almost designed to make the understandable. There are numerous recorded instances of a credit card company changing the due date of the bill, officially for obscuire financial reasons, unofficially to screw with the debt-holder and make them unable to know when their next payment is due.

There's a few Frontline shows on the Credit Card companies worth watching, though the titles escape me now.

$0.02,

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If your healthcare expenses are extreme, most allow you to setup payment plans without any interest.  i would ask the provider first before putting it on a credit card.

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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/21/2007 1:24:22 PM   
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That is a real shame, Nosathro. Unfortunately, I am not that surprised. 


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Oh..well when I worked in a Mental Health Hospital..these same credit card companies sent preapproved credit cards to residents.  When I went to outpatient case management you would be surprised at the number of clients with credit card problems.


No... I don't think I would be surprised.


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RE: Meet "Generation Plastic", credit cards - 5/21/2007 1:29:05 PM   
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I love credit cards and would be lost without them. I hate mall shopping and would rather order and have it delivered.

And yes, after having spent several years in the credit card business, I can say that people are HUGELY uneducated in this area.


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