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And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/17/2007 9:57:17 PM

mistoferin

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Tonight I had an interesting thing happen. I have a new baby Quaker Parrot that I am handfeeding. He is very young and not well feathered yet so I have him in a makeshift "incubator" box to keep him warm.

Well tonight I fed him and put him back into the box and then I sat down at the computer to do some things for my business. Well I have two Labrador Retrievers that are trained hunters....primarily bird hunters. They have been really curious about this new addition to say the very least. As I sat here at the computer, lost in the task at hand, my yellow Lab started pacing back and forth between me and the box that the bird is in, crying and whining. I could hear the little bird in there moving around and scratching. The dog just kept persisting. I absentmindedly told the dog to lie down several times thinking it was just going to take time for them to adjust to the new "family member". Finally, the dog came over and put her mouth around my wrist and tugged at me. She has NEVER done anything like that before. So I got up to see what it was that she wanted. She ran over to the box and I followed....only to find it empty.

Well my first thought was "Oh No...she ate the bird!" To my surprise though, further investigation found that the little guy had somehow managed to climb out of the box and had fallen on to the floor. That dog knew that baby was NOT supposed to be out of that box and was frantically trying to tell me. She also knew somehow that this bird is different from the other birds that she is more accustomed to coming in contact with and she knew enough to not try to put this one in her mouth. I really was pretty amazed.

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/17/2007 10:02:14 PM

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Animals are more perceptive and intelligent that we usually give them credit for.

Although that doesn't stop me from eating some of them.

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/17/2007 10:14:34 PM

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aawwwwwww

love this

thank you for sharing this with us

i have two parrots myself, and i always get a chuckle when they play with my two dogs...the four of them seem to be able to communicate with each other.

they play hide and seek with eachother....play chase the tail with eachother.....they are so really very cute

i hope Master will allow me to adopt a hyacinth macaw.....

maybe if all of you send Him a loving note to encourage Him???

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 2:40:00 AM

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Good for the dog.

Hope ya gave him a treat for that.

I'm liable to get flamed for this, but who cares. I firmly believe animals are much smarter than humans. Sometimes I think people should take lessons from them.

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 5:26:56 AM

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Awesome story, erin

Stories like these is why I NEVER say animals are "dumb".

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 5:43:04 AM

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Animals are more intelligent than most humans give them credit for. What a cool story thanks for sharing it.

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 6:00:25 AM

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That is an awesome story Erin, i agree 100% animals are not stupid in the least. Animals react on pure instinct, living with humans alters that . I think in some ways their instincs become attuned to activity that they observe from us. The dog has watched you care for the "baby" so his instinct is operating on the maternal vibe that surrounds situation. ( i could be way out in left field but hey...it's a thought)

When my dog is obviously trying hard to "tell me" something, i can seldom resist saying..."what is it Lassie....is Timmy in trouble???"

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 6:55:17 AM

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That is so sweet. What a good dog you have.

I love warm fuzzies in the morning.

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 6:59:17 AM

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a Quaker Parrot? Dost thou wanna cracker Polly?

Awwwwwwwwwwwwk!!!!! no damage done!

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 7:25:47 AM

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i have a similar story. my sister has 3 cats and a pet mouse and her mouse got out of the cage. We were sitting at the table and one of her cats came over and pawed her leg - when she looked down she noticed he had something in his mouth. she leaned down and put her hand to his mouth and he dropped her pet mouse into her hand. We were astonished! Not one little hair on his tiny body was harmed. He was returned to his cage. Unfortunately it was only a few months later and another of her newer cats, one who she rescued from a park and was more wild got the poor little fella.

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 7:42:25 AM

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What a lovely story Erin. i was always a big "Lassie" and "Rin Tin Tin" fan. i think though when some P/pl say "dumb" animals what T/they mean is that the animal cannot speak like a human. However some P/pl do fail to appreciate the intelligence of animals, more's the pity.

i myself have two parakeets who totally Dom me, and they themselves are a D/s couple. i just hope they don't lay eggs, lol.

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 8:35:38 AM

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I'm glad that everyone is enjoying reading this. This dog never ceases to amaze me. I have always said that I feel kind of guilty owning her as I think she has the perfect personality to be a service dog. She's the kind of dog that makes you think she is really a person trapped in a dog body. I have always thought she would have been a great mom...but I never imagined she would feel motherly toward an animal that she has been trained to hunt. It's funny but her demeanor changes around all kinds of babies...she just seems to *know* the rules are different when it comes to them.

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 8:52:46 AM

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Labs are highly intelligent animals, erin. I'm not surprised at all that she recognized your bird in trouble. I'm never amazed at what animals are capable of...well, ALMOST never! It's a good thing they can't talk...think of what they'd have to say about us! I swear, I've actually seen my cats roll their eyes at me!

Besides, who is the smarter? One species goes out to work all day to support the other, which is usually spread out on the bed snoozing once the dinner plates are empty, I know myself that I spend more money of them than I do on me! I wish I had their life!

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 9:36:50 AM

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WE own horses and dogs or should I say we belong to them,I am always surprised just how smart they are,do you know that horses learn 2 to 5 times faster them humans yes they are very smart creatures.OUR house dogs know their cats even the barn cats and never bother them but boy oh let a strange one wonder in then the shit hits the fan...bounty

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 10:31:26 AM

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I grew up on a farm in rural Idaho. One day the ditch rider came by with several coyote pups he had found where the mother had been killed, so we took one of the female pups as a pet. She was a little too old to get her to fully accept being handled. I could pick her up and hold her, but she always did a light "nip" on your hand or arm first. One day my mother was doing something with the coyote (Dusty) when Dusty got off her leash and ran under an outbuilding. Though she tried and tried there was no way that Dusty was going to be coaxed out. So my mother went in the house and got a big plate of scrap meat to use as a lure. She placed a large piece of meat several feet away from the base of the building, thinking that when the coyote came out to eat she could be caught. Instead, Dusty ran out, grabbed the meat, and ran back under the building to do her eating. My mother tried again. Same results. For the third try my mother thought she would be able to catch the coyote for sure. She left a trail of several pieces of the meat leading from the building, out several feet to where she left the rest of the plate of scraps. She just knew that Dusty would follow the trail of scraps and then stop at the plate to finish her meal. Mom backed up a few feet to give the coyote some room, then waited. A few seconds later Dusty dashed out from the building ignoring the "trail", grabbed the plate and pulled the plate, meat and all, back under the building to finish her meal in leasure!

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 10:36:44 AM

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Dear igor
my heart goes out to you, no one should be force to live in the land of the lost, hopefully you now live in a better place, and you are right the animals are not dumb but can not speak much for the people here,
take care and be safe
java

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 12:52:06 PM

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My sister's pomerian and chihuahua had a litter of pups. She also had a HUGE boxer/pit bull mix. The night the pom gave birth, the boxer mix checked the pups out thoroughly and then parked himself in the doorway to the room and kept the mean chihuahua dad out of the room so he wouldn't hurt the pups. He stayed there for days, protecting them.

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 1:41:30 PM

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Great stories everyone! Thank you for sharing about our "pets".

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 1:59:03 PM

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Great story Erin....

I'll add a couple about two cats I had.

Back in the 80's, I had an orange persian...It was a gift from me to my oldest daughter on her 1st birthday. K, so a couple years go by, my daughter is now getting ready to turn 3...I was in the livingroom, she in her crib sleeping and of course the cat laying beside her. I had left the back widow opne as it was a hot day...about 101 and the air was broke. A stray cat decided it wanted in out of the heat.....but made the wrong decision. It decided to climb in the bed with my daughter. I heard a horrible squeal....headed for my kids room....when I got there, I found the stray dead in her crib with my little girls persian standing stradled over her little feet still growling at the dead cat and it's neck in her mouth. She protected her little girl from a stray.

Another cat I had about 4 years ago was a white calico and to everyone else...a demon. I called her my watch cat. She would litterilly go after people. Me and my youngest was in the bedroom tussling. The noise woke my cat. When she saw what was going on, she took it as my daughter was trying to hurt me and attacked her. Left some pretty good marks on her. After getting my cat to calm and assuring her things were ok, she looked at my daughter as if to say.."I'm watching you." And walked away. We just sat there and laughed.

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RE: And they call them DUMB animals... - 5/18/2007 3:47:47 PM

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"and she knew enough to not try to put this one in her mouth."

Or you could say she didn't know enough and that's why she didn't eat it? Like when one of the big cats gives it's offspring some baby herbivore to practice on and the cubs don't know what to do with it.
As you are the leader of the pack, maybe the dog grabbed you to give you first bite? Or to find out if it was something to eat?
And if the dog was really smart, it didn't eat and grabbed you so you could feed the bird up and make it worth eating. But I'm sure you aren't going to suggest your dog was smart enough to begin agriculture.

"Animals are more perceptive and intelligent that we usually give them credit for."

Actually we often give animals far more credit than we can prove. Familiarity is often the source of any animals intelligence. You find it a lot when reading long term studies of animals. A parrot person will get excited about parrots, a horse person will get excited about horses, a chimp person will get excited about chimps. And yet it is the humble crow which has surpassed them all to reach a similar stage of tool development as early people, closer than chimps or any other creature.

"I firmly believe animals are much smarter than humans."

Many people believe many things. Proving what one believes is another matter. People have spent years trying to prove their favourite animal is intelligent, but none have succeded. In fact with animals like chimps which have had enormous amounts of study, the abscence of intelligence is the big (but not surprising) find.

"I think in some ways their instincs become attuned to activity that they observe from us. The dog has watched you care for the "baby" so his instinct is operating on the maternal vibe that surrounds situation. "

Is it the maternal vibe, or the pack mentality?

"i have a similar story. my sister has 3 cats and a pet mouse and her mouse got out of the cage. We were sitting at the table and one of her cats came over and pawed her leg - when she looked down she noticed he had something in his mouth. she leaned down and put her hand to his mouth and he dropped her pet mouse into her hand. We were astonished!"

Cats will do that with wild mice. Except after they have shown you and you don't pick it up, they play around with it and eat it. Except for picking it up, I've had cats do this many times, with mice, rats, rabbits, and lizards.

"but I never imagined she would feel motherly toward an animal that she has been trained to hunt."

She is trained to hunt featherless birds her owner is raising? Interesting. I would have thought she was trained to hunt live, flying, feathered birds, and to retrieve them or "point" to where they were?

"do you know that horses learn 2 to 5 times faster them humans yes they are very smart creatures."

If horses learn 2 to 5 times faster than humans, then that just highlights their lack of intelligance. Despite the speed they can't get beyond a small childs intelligence (if that).

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