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Old Ownership marks ? - 5/18/2007 4:18:28 PM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		If a Mistress took on a submissive with old ownership marks, would You insist they were removed or altered ?
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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/18/2007 4:31:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Probably not.  What kind of mark?


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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/18/2007 4:33:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would most likely alter them if I collared the submissive.  However, before  that I would have had several conversations about the markings and how the submissive feels about them and why.   There are a few reasons I would allow them to remain.
I would also make sure I was very aware of my feelings about the markings.

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/18/2007 4:44:53 PM   
Politesub53


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Probably not.  What kind of mark?


Say it was specific, such as an initial, or a mark that had significance ? I understand "property of Mistress such and such" in 4 inch red letters across the back would probably be unacceptable.

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/18/2007 4:54:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		For me it would still depend on what it meant to the submissive.  If it was hanging on to a former commintment and not truly moving on .. he could keep the mark and not have me lol.

If it was just fond memories and didnt scream anothers ownership every time I saw it .. it could stay.   Lots of communication about it needed.



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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/18/2007 4:56:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it would be a personal choice and sometimes it is good to have a reminder of your past so you can more fully appreciate your present.  If the submissive hated it, I would be helpful and encouraging of its removal but I don't put a lot of stock in that so I likely would not demand it be removed as a condition of our continued relationship.

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/18/2007 5:02:30 PM   
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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/18/2007 6:20:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Honestly I'd want to know why someone who was permentantly marked wasn't currently with their previous owner.

If it is because of death, then I'd be cool with them keeping the marks as a nice reminder.

If it was just because things fell apart, I'd wonder why they still had the marks at all. I'd also wonder what made them feel that permenant marks were an appropriate idea and then decide that the relationship was over.

Permenant marks are something I'd take more serious than a collar or a wedding ring because unlike an item they are not easily removed.

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/18/2007 7:57:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would probably want to have it altered unless my sub had a deep need to keep it. My sub and I have matching tattoos at which sometime down the road we may have each others names or intials placed onto it. But for now just the tat will do just in case.

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/18/2007 10:55:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The boy wore a bracelet that was more of a "family" bracelet. His ex and his daughter all wore them...but his had his ex's name on it. Even though it was not given to him or had any D/s significance to him, it made me uncomfortable and I brought it up and we talked about it and talked about it...and we came to the conclusion that if/when we were at a stage where I'd give him a bracelet of consideration, he would remove the bracelet and wear mine. He surprised me by removing it shortly after that conversation, even though we had no immediate plans on being at that point.  I'm pleased to say that we appear to be close to that point now. :)

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/19/2007 4:53:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Honestly I'd want to know why someone who was permentantly marked wasn't currently with their previous owner.

If it is because of death, then I'd be cool with them keeping the marks as a nice reminder.

If it was just because things fell apart, I'd wonder why they still had the marks at all. I'd also wonder what made them feel that permenant marks were an appropriate idea and then decide that the relationship was over.

Permenant marks are something I'd take more serious than a collar or a wedding ring because unlike an item they are not easily removed.


I completely agree with this.

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/19/2007 5:09:52 AM   
Enyo


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Status: offline 		Communication is the best way to address this, I think it's going to depend largely on the Domina and the nature of the marks.  Personally, if they were marks of ownership I would have expected a potential sub to have had them removed before they attempted to pursue a relationship with me.

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/19/2007 9:21:48 AM   
MstrssPassion


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This topic reminds me of a sub I was interviewing. Early on (about the 3rd date) he told me that he had a mark from a previous owner. So I asked as to what it was & he said it was a brand on his cock with her 3 initials. He said I figure you would eventually see this if our relationship developed & felt it would be best to inform you prior to actually finding it.

I kind of smiled one of my crooked smiles & looked him in the eye & said... I'm sure that she & I don't have the same initials but even if we did the only way we are going to resolve this issue is for me to scribble out the old ones & then apply my own.

Needless to say...

The look of horror on his face was priceless.

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/19/2007 9:34:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not exactly the same situation, but prior to getting married, I did have My husband cover a tattoo with his ex-wife's name.  At the time, I told him that it was part of his past, but if he wanted Me for his future, it would have to go.  Now, My husband is not a submissive, so there is a little different perspective there.  Oh, I should mention that it was a situation of the relationship 'falling apart' rather than a death.  In the instance of death, I wouldn't have had a problem with it.  I also wouldn't have had a problem with it had it been a symbol, rather than a name.  Today, he has My name on his chest, and a bear claw on his arm.
 

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/19/2007 11:33:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		What are Your feelings if those previous "marks" were piercings?

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 5/19/2007 12:24:13 PM   
tade


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Status: offline 		Hate to post an I agree message but Tammy Jo hit it right on the head. If their other isn't dead and you have a permenant mark on you then I'm questioning someones judgement at the very least. Being the sadistic prick that I am I would probably have them keep it, but use that spot as a target for my belt, but that's just me. As far as a piercing goes, they can always be removed and repierced if desired.

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 6/1/2007 1:50:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Honestly I'd want to know why someone who was permentantly marked wasn't currently with their previous owner.

If it is because of death, then I'd be cool with them keeping the marks as a nice reminder.

If it was just because things fell apart, I'd wonder why they still had the marks at all. I'd also wonder what made them feel that permenant marks were an appropriate idea and then decide that the relationship was over.

Permenant marks are something I'd take more serious than a collar or a wedding ring because unlike an item they are not easily removed.


That sums up my thoughts to a "T."
Permanent markings are something that should be given a great deal of thought, not lightly gone in to.

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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 6/1/2007 3:19:31 PM   
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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 6/1/2007 3:27:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		My husbands exwife has a brand on her leg which is his first initial. It was an ill concieved idea from the egt go and they will both acknowledge that. She was a pain whore and wanted a brand more than the initial. However seeing that left a very clear guide in my mind about marking subs.
Piercings are one thing, brands and tattoos another. I have honestly never reached the stage with a sub where I want to permanently mark them. With the experience of my husband and his ex in my mind, if I ever did it would be a very long thought out process.


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RE: Old Ownership marks ? - 6/1/2007 4:06:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is an interesting question, Politesub.  I would need to evaluate each case individually as to the type of mark, the meaning, the memories and the potential future between the new sub and myself.  Tattoos can be altered, piercings removed, but I do not know about old brands?

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