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sub4hire -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/19/2007 8:36:07 AM)

Why are there fake dominants?




astarri -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/19/2007 8:47:58 AM)

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How do you know they are fake? Maybe they are brand new and looking for guidance; that does not in any way make them a fake though.

I agree with this, because often new subs question their own submission. They have heard several times about all the fakes. Maybe they do not enjoy the idea of being whipped and therefore someone has told them that they are not "real".
FemMiss it would depend how he came out on this ...was he laughing at you or was he confessing that he thought he was not worthy of you?




addicted2it -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/19/2007 9:56:30 AM)

I think that a Domme should take a slow and cautious approch to each applicant, because after all, this IS the Internet and one never really knows who they are corresponding with until they at least connect by telephone.  It makes no sense whatsoever to leap into a relationship (not that the OP necessarily did), but don't be so cynical as to assume that everyone this a fraud. 

I think that many good subs/slave are ruled out (their e-mails go unanswered) because a Domme has been perhaps tricked and disappointed one too many times.  This hurts both sides due to the fostering of distrust and frustration.  Let's face it, we have all shot ourselves in the foot and lost out on the possibility of something good coming our way, but it would seem to me to be wise and prudent to leave the past behind and go on with our lives. 




maledave7 -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/19/2007 10:58:16 AM)

I think that there is always going to be fake subs, slaves, Mistresses and Masters. That they have never live as a slave before. It might be they are afraid to live as a slave for real. They feel safe doing this online only.
I think we need time to get to know the other person. I think in the beginning of any new relationship, that we are cautious about the other person. We also need an opportunity to meet with the other person face to face.
We cannot change what happen in the past. We can learn and grow for the future.




FemMiss -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/20/2007 11:47:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: addicted2it

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ORIGINAL: FemMiss

I met a man who claimed to be a slave and then after some chat, he confessed that all what he said was untrue! I instanlty blocked him! So why there are ppl who pretend to be fake slaves? have u met any of them?


FemMiss,

How does one know that you are not being dishonest with regard to your self, since you have no profile here?



Im honest, and i know that, and thst's enough to me....

i dont have to justify to you why i dont have a profile here...





FemMiss -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/20/2007 11:50:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NakedGirlScout

Fakes will do it just for fun, for variety, out of boredom, to try and see how the other side lives, out of curiosity, or to "try on another hat". It isn't that mysterious or sick, even if it upsets other people. Many more of us than will admit it have at some point in our lives lied on a resume, cheated on our taxes, claimed job/college experience we didn't have, or puffed up our incomes in conversation. If we were all "sick" then there wouldn't be enough non-sick people to lock all of the rest of us up.


i agree with you, but he has no need to lie to me, it wasnt even a must for him to contact me in the first place...

yes, ppl lie and cheat but for logical reasons, not just for fun!!!! This is sick!!!




FemMiss -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/21/2007 12:05:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

Why are there fake subs and slaves?

How do you know they are fake? Maybe they are brand new and looking for guidance; that does not in any way make them a fake though. Of course, you can turn the question around and say also "why are there fake Dom's and Masters?"

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  thanks chia for ur answer.. i was surprised when he told me that... yes, it was good that he told me from the very beginning...... i just dont understand these sick ppl!!!!


AHhh, so now they are not fakes? They are just sick people? Interesting.

Either way it goes, as many have said before me...one person's fake is another person's real. I would suggest not worrying about those who don't fit your idea of what is real and instead focus on what you find pleasing.


he's sick cuz he pretended to be another one and for no logical reasons.. he admitted that all what he was telling me about him being a sub and want me to be his mistress blah blah blah.. were all lies! Cud it be me more convincing that he was a fake not just a brand new.... ?!




NakedGirlScout -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/21/2007 12:07:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FemMiss

i agree with you, but he has no need to lie to me, it wasnt even a must for him to contact me in the first place...

yes, ppl lie and cheat but for logical reasons, not just for fun!!!! This is sick!!!


Actually yes it is for fun. I should know, I know some of these fake people with fake profiles. It is absolutely for fun and kicks. Sorry this upsets you but that's the truth. They're really not too difficult to avoid if you do your proper background checking and take things slowly. It's more useful than screaming that they're sick anyway.




FemMiss -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/21/2007 12:09:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: addicted2it
I think that a Domme should take a slow and cautious approch to each applicant, because after all, this IS the Internet and one never really knows who they are corresponding with until they at least connect by telephone.  It makes no sense whatsoever to leap into a relationship (not that the OP necessarily did), but don't be so cynical as to assume that everyone this a fraud. 

I think that many good subs/slave are ruled out (their e-mails go unanswered) because a Domme has been perhaps tricked and disappointed one too many times.  This hurts both sides due to the fostering of distrust and frustration.  Let's face it, we have all shot ourselves in the foot and lost out on the possibility of something good coming our way, but it would seem to me to be wise and prudent to leave the past behind and go on with our lives. 

i totally agree with you, i dont take what they say for granted, but they are innocents till proven liars! :)
The most sentence that i like in this discussion is what you said: "leave the past behind and go on with our lives", this is exactly what really needed to hear.. not to make a big deal of it... i need to leave it behind my back and go on with my life :) Thanks...




ennaozzie -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/21/2007 2:02:40 AM)

wellcome to the big wide world, there are good and bad in every group, race, country, or lifestyle.




NYMaster101 -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/21/2007 2:10:51 AM)

It takes all kinds.




pinksugarsub -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/21/2007 3:15:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FemMiss

I met a man who claimed to be a slave and then after some chat, he confessed that all what he said was untrue! I instanlty blocked him! So why there are ppl who pretend to be fake slaves? have u met any of them?


i'm sorry You had this experience; it's never pleasant to be lied to.  i have had many male subs contact me, stating that they are really Doms in disguise and btw do i think i could be their Domme?  It's frustrating to have A/anyone attempt to manipulate Y/you.




addicted2it -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/21/2007 9:50:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FemMiss

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ORIGINAL: addicted2it
I think that a Domme should take a slow and cautious approch to each applicant, because after all, this IS the Internet and one never really knows who they are corresponding with until they at least connect by telephone.  It makes no sense whatsoever to leap into a relationship (not that the OP necessarily did), but don't be so cynical as to assume that everyone this a fraud. 

I think that many good subs/slave are ruled out (their e-mails go unanswered) because a Domme has been perhaps tricked and disappointed one too many times.  This hurts both sides due to the fostering of distrust and frustration.  Let's face it, we have all shot ourselves in the foot and lost out on the possibility of something good coming our way, but it would seem to me to be wise and prudent to leave the past behind and go on with our lives. 

i totally agree with you, i dont take what they say for granted, but they are innocents till proven liars! :)
The most sentence that i like in this discussion is what you said: "leave the past behind and go on with our lives", this is exactly what really needed to hear.. not to make a big deal of it... i need to leave it behind my back and go on with my life :) Thanks...


FemMiss,

I am sorry that we got off to a bad start.  There was a person who I met here several years ago who I became very fond of, and her name was similar to yours.  She and I talked on the phone and I was hopeful, but for some reason she suddenly disappeared.  It was a tough lesson for me.  And when I saw your name and searched the database, I found that you had no profile.  I thought that everyone did, but I was wrong, because it is not a prerequisite to participate in the Forums.  Anyway, my response was triggered by emotion and not logic, and for that I do apologize to you.

There is deception and the possibility of being hurt on both sides, and to paraphrase what you said, it is better to find out early than later on in the relationship.

I am happy that something I wrote was helpful to you.  All in all, we have a pretty great community here.  There is nothing else like it that I am aware of, both online and off.  I hope you stay around, because you can always find well-meaning people here that have had similar experiences to yours.  I just happened to nail it for you this time, but others here will probably do that for you in the future, should you need us.

Maybe you are new to CM, or possibly new to being a Femmedomme; but in any case, there IS hope and a new beginning for you.  Finding the perfect match is not easy – especially if one has very specific needs.  It will take time, but it will be worth the wait.

There are many submissive men out there, and a true submissive is somewhere just waiting to fall at your feet.  You and other Femmedommes are very special.  You are a joy and a treasure, and our lives as submissives would be pretty much meaningless without you in them.

Be well.  :-)





badkittyamy -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/21/2007 11:32:11 AM)

There are fakes in every sub genre and lifestyle, fake rockers, fake punks, ake gays. People simply want somewhere to fit in. That or the just want to be trolls there probably have been since human culture started forming and always will be fakers. It's just something you have to sort through and deal with.




Celeste43 -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/22/2007 5:41:11 AM)

I'm not sure it was a lie the way you describe it. Sounds more as though he has some interest in WIITWD but got scared by what you were saying. The fact that he said he had no experience and wasn't interested in you for a mistress doesn't mean that he might not be interested in someone whom he felt he was more compatible with.

As far as why pretend to experience he doesn't have, well a lot of dommes don't want to take the time to teach a newbie. Of course this appears to be a Catch-22 situation, if he confesses to having no experience he is ignored and if he pretends to experience he doesn't have then he can't handle it. One hell of a problem.




AquaticSub -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/22/2007 5:56:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FemMiss

I met a man who claimed to be a slave and then after some chat, he confessed that all what he said was untrue! I instanlty blocked him! So why there are ppl who pretend to be fake slaves? have u met any of them?


I'm a fake.

Made of butterscotch candy to be precise.




mstrjx -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/22/2007 6:31:44 AM)

I'm not so concerned that you encountered someone who was less than genuine.

I'm curious as to why you felt compelled to block him.  Mail and IM's are just as easily gone unread or deleted.

Isn't 'blocking' the Internet equivalent of covering your ears and screaming 'La La La' so you don't have to hear the bad noises coming in?  Wow.

Jeff (who is more-or-less genuine, depending on your perspective, I suppose)




PrincessEllie -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/22/2007 7:32:31 AM)

I have a friend who says she wants to be a Sub, only without all of the powerplay and though she says she wants to be hurt, she can't even get a rugburn without putting five billion bandages on it and limping piteously. I think that like this friend, some people just want to try and be different and 'dangerous.' They like the idea of being bad, but not the actual act. 




addicted2it -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/22/2007 7:49:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

I have a friend who says she wants to be a Sub, only without all of the powerplay and though she says she wants to be hurt, she can't even get a rugburn without putting five billion bandages on it and limping piteously. I think that like this friend, some people just want to try and be different and 'dangerous.' They like the idea of being bad, but not the actual act. 


When you say "power play," are you referring to the psychological rather than the physical?  there a difference between subbing and bottoming to someone.  From what you say, I don't think she want's the physical pain as much as she wants to experience the mental aspects of being a sub.  Do you think she has the mindset for it?




AquaticSub -> RE: Why there are fake subs/slaves?! (5/22/2007 8:05:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

I have a friend who says she wants to be a Sub, only without all of the powerplay and though she says she wants to be hurt, she can't even get a rugburn without putting five billion bandages on it and limping piteously. I think that like this friend, some people just want to try and be different and 'dangerous.' They like the idea of being bad, but not the actual act. 


You really can't judge how well someone receives erotic pain from how they get a rugburn. Just because I like being flogged does not mean I like to get rugburn. Someone who likes needleplay may hate getting shots. It's a completely different enviroment and mindset.




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