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Gas prices

I've cut back already

54% (40)

I won't cut back even if it's $10.00 a gallon lol

6% (5)

$4.00 a gallon is when I slow down

1% (1)

$5.00 a gallon is when I slow down

2% (2)

I need a @#$%! bicycle

10% (8)

I need a rickshaw pulled by a subbie

24% (18)

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RE: Gas prices - 5/19/2007 9:36:40 PM

Dauric

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As much as I'd like the rickshaw I don't have subbie to power it at the moment, Gota go with the bicycle...

Well, I would if I didn't have such a massive commute. Only problem in the midwest and the mountains, our infrastructure is built so heavily on the automobile, and so lightly on the public transportation, that it's difficult to get around without a car of some type. Then if you live somewhere it snows, you just about need something capable of 4WD and with a decent ground clearance.

As far as refineries and oil fields, and even wind-farms, it's a classic case of NIMBY. "Not In My Back Yard". Doesn't matter where you want to put it, the residents will put up a fight about not wanting it there. It has nothing at all to do with political leanings. Mind you, I have more understanding for someone that doesn't want to live next to an oil refinery than I do for someone who is fighting wind-farms. Personally I think windmills make for perfectly attractive scenery.

Of course, the moment anyone suggests a new power source, the industries and political action groups that want the energy method to be supressed go in to gear....

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RE: Gas prices - 5/19/2007 9:36:51 PM

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I can't believe there isnt more outrage about this rediculous increase in gas prices. Its criminal!

i believe that the oil companies had reduced the improvements to refiiniries or have done nothing to increase any based on the current consumption. i don't see the outside sources such as Opec have increased the prices. It was done domestically.

By the way, why not look at the quarterly profits in july from the oil companies and see if there is a correlation in reduced profits. i bet not.

minnetar

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RE: Gas prices - 5/19/2007 9:39:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar

quote:

ORIGINAL: imthatacheyouhav

I can't believe there isnt more outrage about this rediculous increase in gas prices. Its criminal!

i believe that the oil companies had reduced the improvements to refiiniries or have done nothing to increase any based on the current consumption. i don't see the outside sources such as Opec have increased the prices. It was done domestically.

minnetar

agreed...thats what i'm saying.....its out of control

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RE: Gas prices - 5/19/2007 9:41:04 PM

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OOHHH Pleaaaaase.. one gallon equals roughly about 3.8 liters ( for the sake of argument let round it up) so 4.0 liters.....
and according to my mom ( yes I am german) they pay about 5.5 dollars for 4 liters in germany right now......
and there is hardly any outrage over there about it too ......
So according to my mom we still have it good...
As long as we are willing to pay they will increase the price ....supply and demand
simple as that
Believe it or not.. my mom was bitching about the prices we pay over here for vegies and milk.....
according to her those prices were near highway robbery prices...
you don't hear anybody bitching about that over here now do you ??

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RE: Gas prices - 5/19/2007 9:42:19 PM

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The munches are are about 100 miles north of my area, so I only go on rare occasions. I also used to go out frequently on the weekends...lol...I don't do that anymore.

I stopped by at Sam's Club and the gas price there was $2.99, so I took advantage of that since the average here is $3.09. God forbid if you are a traveler coming off the interstate highway because the gas stations charge their gas at higher prices.

If I were living in Europe, I would probably get a Mini Cooper or opt for a hybrid car.

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RE: Gas prices - 5/19/2007 9:49:25 PM

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Oh, prices n veggies and milk are going to go up too. They have to be trucked in from the farm, and that shipping takes gasoline. There's onlu so much profit that the companies can absorb, only so much that they'll be willing to absorb, before passing it down to you and me.

Germany, and most of Europe for that matter, isn't built on an infrastructure based on people having readily accessable personal transportation. The cities are in most cases centuries, even milennia old, when people walked or took horses wherever they went. In the U.S., Especially in the mountains and the midwest, our cities are laid out with the assumption that people own, and are willing to freely use, automobiles.

I wish I had $93,000. There's a company, "Tesla Motors", that's supposed to be releasing the "Tesla Roadster" a completely electric car with gasoline-engine speeds and endurance sometime about October.

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 12:24:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar

i believe that the oil companies had reduced the improvements to refiiniries or have done nothing to increase any based on the current consumption. i don't see the outside sources such as Opec have increased the prices. It was done domestically.

By the way, why not look at the quarterly profits in july from the oil companies and see if there is a correlation in reduced profits. i bet not.

minnetar

Oil production was cut somewhat, which drives prices of crude oil up. The refineries in the US destroyed by Katrina lower the availability of gasoline. Etc. It is not one thing, it is a bunch of things.

For years, the Liberals and Conservatives in Congress have given in to public pressure to keep gas prices low. They do this by subsidizing the oil industry. I suspect these subsidies dont show up on profit / loss statements, but I cannot prove that one way or the other.

With AnencephalyBoy's little fiasco in the desert, these subsidies are being cut back or removed in order to pay for our soldiers to go be blown up by people irritated by the US occupation of their country.

Oil companies profit motives have not changed. I suspect they are simply responding to our Government being unable to afford to keep bribing them to keep gas prices down.

Not sure how I feel about it. I simply wish the Republican Congress under Clinton was not so unwilling to find research into alternative fuels.

It is one of those little short-sighted things were a bunch of people with the ability to build a future refused to do so out of cynical and blatant self-interest.

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 12:33:51 PM

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Sinergy,
You spoke of the destruction to the refineries due to Katrina. At the time of the hurricane, the gas prices then became historically high as a knee jerk reaction. Then following that, the price of gas had declined where i even was able to purchase gas for $2.00 a gallon. So i have a problem with that being a direct effect.

Now the subsidy point is interesting. i will need to do more research to see if the oil companies are not getting the subsidies that you said that had been before.

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 12:44:39 PM

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Then following that, the price of gas had declined where i even was able to purchase gas for $2.00 a gallon. So i have a problem with that being a direct effect.

Gas prices declined in direct response to public outrage at the oil companies' historically elevated profits.

Then they trickled back up again even while the cost of a barrel of crude oil went down slightly.

Look at it from the oil companies perspective.

1) Public outrage in the United States against low fuel efficiency, the electing in of a Democratic congress and the likelihood of more Republicans getting fired next election. Congress may start doing their job and passing laws mandating efficient cars, funding research into alternative energy, etc.

2) Despite those who think there is enough fuel in ANWR, this fuel is both difficult to extract, refine, etc., as well as being rather limited.

3) The United States is really the only country on the planet which refuses to build efficient vehicles or is actively working to build an infrastructure which will not require oil.

4) Have you been reading about all the new technologies (wave power is my favorite) for generating power? The increase in energy storage for electricity? All of these bypass oil, and we now have a Congress that can actually vote to fund the research.

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that the oil companies have a very limited amount of time to screw the American public and dont want to take time out to lube up first.

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 4:37:01 PM

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fast reply:

in nyc they are now using bicycle powered cabs that are similar to rickshaws. they even sell advertising on the outside (capitalism-r-us). somehow i don't think they are slave powered, but ya never know. so you who want slave powered rickshaws will just have to take this successful business idea and run with it.

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 4:42:26 PM

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...so you who want slave powered rickshaws will just have to take this successful business idea and run with it.

Actually, I want to see the slaves running...in Manolo, Gucci, or Louboutin high heels!

Bob

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 4:43:53 PM

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That works for me girl4you2, a bicyle powered cab instead of a rickshaw.
It is a viable option.

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 5:03:31 PM

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they are also allowing handsome cabs in many areas of the city as well, not just around central park. another viable alternative (although the handsome cabs don't have advertising on them).

the bicycle powered cab and handsome cabs would work in many cities (mules can replace the horse in the hottest places like they did in n'awlins). there are just too many alternatives to hummers these days.

edited to add: sorry Bob, i didn't see any rickshaws powered by french or italian heels!

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 5:12:29 PM

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Now I make the subs come to me....Oh, by the way...You know there is that pizza joint along the way...Pick up a large pepperoni thin crust....My dry ceaning...My Proactiv Acne skin care system and that cute friend of yours with the big tits.

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 5:13:34 PM

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Now I make the subs come to me....Oh, by the way...You know there is that pizza joint along the way...Pick up a large pepperoni thin crust....My dry ceaning...My Proactiv Acne skin care system and that cute friend of yours with the big tits.

lmao You are so wrong

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 5:14:06 PM

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they are also allowing handsome cabs...

edited to add: sorry Bob, i didn't see any rickshaws powered by french or italian heels!

I believe they're called Hansom cabs, after the English architect, Joseph Hansom, who patented the design in 1834.

Bob

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 5:36:40 PM

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well, technically Bob, the design was altered after Hansom, but they let the name stick, kinda like with that "a lot" thing. it also can be spelled either way, but there are still no italian shoes running the thing.

edited to add: the idea of other powered cabs is still a good alternative to hummers and other environmentally unsound ideas

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 5:49:04 PM

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it went up to 3:06- egaads

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 8:02:53 PM

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www.gasbuddy.com

Can help you find the cheapest gas in your area.

I just came from the Dallas area today and paid $3.05 a gal there before I left. Got home and gas here is $3.29 a gal...less than a 3 hour drive and almost a quarter a gal difference.

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RE: Gas prices - 5/20/2007 8:23:15 PM

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www.gasbuddy.com

Can help you find the cheapest gas in your area.

I just came from the Dallas area today and paid $3.05 a gal there before I left. Got home and gas here is $3.29 a gal...less than a 3 hour drive and almost a quarter a gal difference.

thanks for the link!!

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