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Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/13/2005 5:22:23 PM   
silverchaoslt


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Status: offline 		Apparently on Tuesday there was a piece of legistlation passed in Congress called the Real ID act. It won't go into effect until 2006/2007, but the gist of it is that all citizens of the usa will have to carry this national id card around with them, even in order to get a driver's license. all the names and numbers will be linked in a database that all the state governments as well as the federal government will be able to access.

why does it seem that when we're supposed to be fighting terrorism for the freedom of our country, the rulers of our country want to make it less democratic?

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/13/2005 5:47:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I have heard of it...there is a pretty interesting article on it here.

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/05/real_id.html

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/13/2005 5:49:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not exactly. The Real ID Act does not call for a national ID card system. You can find an outline of the provisions, along with an explanation by the act's sponsor (House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.) here:

http://judiciary.house.gov/newscenter.aspx?A=430

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Edited to add: The link that mistoferin posted is very interesting, but although Schneier makes a lot of good points, I still think it's misleading to characterize the scheme as a national ID system. Schneier also embeds two very important links, namely the text of the bill and the Congressional Research Service's analysis of it:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.00418:

and

http://www.eff.org/Activism/realid/analysis.pdf

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ORIGINAL: silverchaoslt

Apparently on Tuesday there was a piece of legistlation passed in Congress called the Real ID act. It won't go into effect until 2006/2007, but the gist of it is that all citizens of the usa will have to carry this national id card around with them, even in order to get a driver's license. all the names and numbers will be linked in a database that all the state governments as well as the federal government will be able to access.



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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/13/2005 9:32:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The reason for the real id act is that they are having trouble enforcing the national id card law.
I say law because it was passed from a bill into law in 1996.And was going to be in place by 2001 and that didn't work so they changed it to 2003.But many states like the one I am from (Maine) wouldn't go for it.
Your S.S.# would be on your license.But it isn't a license it is all purpose id called the national id card.
With out this card you wouldn't be able to get a job.
So now with the help of 9/11/2001 they can get more anti- American bills passed into law.Just like they did after Ok. City.
They are not concerned with with our rights.Except for taking them away so they can bring us down.The U.N wants all countries to be equal.
That is why we have all these military base closings.So when we have an uprising to take our country back we will have to fight U.N. troops.
When you join the military they ask you if their is an uprising will you fire apon fellow citizens.And only about 3% will off other Americans so they know they will need the U.N. troops.That is why we have all these anti gun laws.
And that is why we have the second amendment.
As I said in another thread people need to be informed but only about 4.5% of the population knows the truth.The truth is not hidden.It is all public,Everything that is said in congress is a public record..But you have to want to know and look for it.It won't be spoon fed to anyone on CBS,NBC,ABC,CNN or FOX news.
Why do any of you think we don't have real boarder patrol yet they want to make laws that take away our rights??
I don't have a link to the 1996 national id card but you can find it.
I don't save everything.I would need a where house.I do have some things saved on paper.
I took out the K word and put in off.
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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/13/2005 10:37:34 PM   
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That is why we have all these military base closings.So when we have an uprising to take our country back we will have to fight U.N. troops.


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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 6:09:21 AM   
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That is why we have all these anti gun laws. And that is why we have the second amendment.


Honestly, I'm not trying to hijack this thread... But I have to add something to this. These anti-gun laws, aka the Brady Bill, are trying desperately to eliminate the second amendment all together. I had a friend that worked as an independent political analyst, she did tons of research and a little known fact (I saw the newspaper article myself) is that most of the gun laws that Brady is/was trying to pass are verbatim of the Nazi laws against Jews, only the gun owners are now the Jews.

And please do NOT get me started on the OK city bombing...... I'd like very much to know what happened to the "other" guy that they had a sketch of, you know.. the one with the military hair cut that looked nothing like Terry Nichols?

Youtalkingtotome, we could probably have hours long conversations.... would be great!

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 7:08:05 AM   
Youtalkingtome


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Status: offline 		Thank you silverchaoslt for wanting to be more informed!
Thank you ShiftedJewel for being informed!
I wanted to add that if you look up the national id card that before it became law it was called the immigration bill.
I first read about the immigration bill in 1996 a few months before it was to be voted on in a magazine.My boss at the time didn't believe the magazine so he called then Senator now governer and had his office send him a copy of the bill.
Your drivers license/national id card is what is called a smart card.
The Brady gun laws come from handgun control incorporated.And they get thier agenda from the U.N..
Has anyone been to the U.N. building in N.Y.?
The statue on the lawn is a handgun with a twisted up and knotted barrel.

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 8:55:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is just something else to steer this country towards totalitarianism. But then again, when the voters voted the last bunch of hypocritical, lying politicians into office, knowing good and well they were hypocritical, lying politicians and voted for them anyway, I guess the will of the american public is to acquiese to a more totalitarian government uner the disguise of fighting terrorism while we buy our oil from the very folks who support the terrorists... Huh???

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 9:29:10 AM   
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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 10:05:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Youtalkingtome

The U.N wants all countries to be equal.
That is why we have all these military base closings.So when we have an uprising to take our country back we will have to fight U.N. troops.


I'm intensely curious about which conspiracy theory website you found that information on. Several of the base closings have been in the works for over 20 years. (USAREUR specifically.)

I am also curious about the paranoia people have about the UN. The UN hasn't taken away your second amendment rights and they never will. However, the current administration has taken away some of your first amendment, fourth amendment, fifth amendment, and sixth amendment rights.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

Who should you fear more?

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When you join the military they ask you if their is an uprising will you fire apon fellow citizens.

WHAT???
First off...who are "they"? Secondly, I have served the Army for the last 10 years and have never been asked that question. My soldiers have never been asked that question. Where do you get your information?
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And only about 3% will off other Americans so they know they will need the U.N. troops.That is why we have all these anti gun laws.

WHAT???
Again I say, where do you get your information? Who developed the statistics for your answer? We have anti-gun laws (which I personally disagree with...don't punish the guns, they just followed it's owner's instructions) to try and keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I think a 3-day cooling off period is not a bad idea, as it is in no way prohibiting you from owning a gun.

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As I said in another thread people need to be informed but only about 4.5% of the population knows the truth.


And 92.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot. State your source please.

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Why do any of you think we don't have real boarder patrol yet they want to make laws that take away our rights??


Most likely, because the people who make the laws that govern the protection of our boarders, like being able to pay their gardener, house keeper, etc less than minimum wage and Wal Mart needs people to put all that cheap plastic crap together.

I don't have a huge issue with the national ID, as I don't see it as a violation of civil rights. I don't like my SSN being posted on it for security reasons, but that's about it. Most countries throughout the world uses it's passport as a means for identification, but then, that's all part of the UN's Evil Plan.



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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 10:45:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Right, it's a little known fact that the Brady Laws mandate gassing handgun-owners and redistributing their property among wealthy party sympathizers.

Where do you get this crap?

Lam

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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

I had a friend that worked as an independent political analyst, she did tons of research and a little known fact (I saw the newspaper article myself) is that most of the gun laws that Brady is/was trying to pass are verbatim of the Nazi laws against Jews, only the gun owners are now the Jews.


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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 2:30:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some great posts on a very important subject!

I'd just like to add my two cents......


The National ID card would be the ''Death Star'' for this country and all civil libertarians.
Essentially what it would do is almost act like an internal passport within our country. It could virtually stop you from traveling within the US. Not to mention, it's very obvious that it's the next logical step towards a cashless society.
And I might add....I think that's the last thing we all want!

The Globalists that are pushing this idea / program are using some of the most brilliant PR people and social engineers that have ever been available to any organization.

Just like with the war,potential supporters of the national ID card theme are heavily encouraged to rely on their emotions, rather than logic and reasoning.



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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 4:41:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Right, it's a little known fact that the Brady Laws mandate gassing handgun-owners and redistributing their property among wealthy party sympathizers.

Where do you get this crap?

The one spewing crap here is you.

She said GUN laws, not all laws. Try reading for comprehension next time.

"For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient. The world will follow our lead." - Adolph Hitler, 1935

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 6:10:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		MrThorns,
I will give you two answers.
The military asks this when you sign up.I have been told this by many people in the military including a reserve MP.Now he works for the D.E.A..
They started doing this in the 90s.If you know someone that has signed up resently maybe they don't do it anymore because they got their answer.Only 3%.It was published in a military newspaper.I don't remember the name since it was in the mid 90s when I found this out.
Second answer.
Same answer I have given before.
You have to want to know the truth and look for it.Most of it is public record.What our government does or says is public record and is stored.You have to look for it.
If you are to lazy to look or would rather piss on people that do look for it then their is no hope for you.
I am not going to go back through boxes of papers that I have from the 90s and dig for information and where it came from for lazy people.
Look it up yourself!!!
I didn't get any info. from places like you mentioned.
Look at my posts and then look at my other posts on the nation out of control.You will see where I get my info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 7:09:29 PM   
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Well, I'll tell you that the official newspapers that are published by the military are the Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times and never, in the history of their printing, have they published anything that would support any of your claims.

Militant publications, quite possibly...but not a U.S. military publication.

Is it laziness to ask someone to quote their sources? Perhaps you have no legitimate sources to reference, which is the most likely case. I'll try this method of yours the next time I submit a report:

Me: (Reporting) "Sir, Our sources state that the Nazi's preserved Hitler's brain in a pickle jar for the last 60 years and they have finally developed the technology to implant the brain into a large, Robot-Hitler chassis which also transforms into a Shetland pony (with Kung-Fu grip)."

Superior Officer: "Where did you get this information?"

Me: "Go do your own research, Sir."

Clever...very clever.

Although, I'm not surprised to hear that your research is based on hearsay.

"I have a friend who..."
"I know a guy who..."

I will continue to call "bullshit" on your claims until you can support them.

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Ranger,

I still don't see how this is a violation of one's civil rights. Does a state issued driver's licence keep you limited to that state? Aren't you still free to move about the country?

I think a standardized system is a good idea in that security measures could be taken to make counterfeit IDs more difficult to make. As it is now, people have little to know idea how another state's ID is supposed to look. In Arizona, if your are under 21, the license in printed vertically. If you are older than 21, it is printed horizontally. Does a bartender, security screener, customs agent, police officer, etc in Virginia know what an Arizona Licence is supposed to look like? My best guess...is no.

I haven't seen any flags on this yet, but I'm watching...

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 7:27:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

I had a friend that worked as an independent political analyst, she did tons of research and a little known fact (I saw the newspaper article myself) is that most of the gun laws that Brady is/was trying to pass are verbatim of the Nazi laws against Jews, only the gun owners are now the Jews.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Right, it's a little known fact that the Brady Laws mandate gassing handgun-owners and redistributing their property among wealthy party sympathizers.

Where do you get this crap?

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ORIGINAL: sfgrrl

The one spewing crap here is you.

She said GUN laws, not all laws. Try reading for comprehension next time.

"For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient. The world will follow our lead." - Adolph Hitler, 1935


As usual, you're WRONG stef. First, since the word verbatim can only be used as either an adjective or an adverb - but NOT as a NOUN, which is how ShiftedJewel incorrectly used it - the phrase that is in dispute here is not actually good English, but rather gibberish, therefore there is NO correct comprehension for what she wrote. That's bonk on the head #1.

Second, if we replace the expression "are verbatim of" with the more correct "are taken verbatim from" (which is surely what ShiftedJewel intended to write) then Lordandmaster's interpretation of the resultant phrase "are taken verbatim from the Nazi laws against Jews" is a very reasonable one. Certainly, it's a lot more reasonable than your jaundiced reading. As can be clearly seen, ShiftedJewel did NOT say that the Brady Laws were derived from similar Nazi gun registration laws, but rather that they were derived from "the Nazi laws against Jews" which is far broader in scope. Thus your own comprehension of what was written is much more questionable than Lordandmaster's reading. The latter was also sarcastically exagerated a little in order to bring out the full import of the ludicrousness of ShiftedJewel's claim. That's bonk on the head #2 for you.

Finally, the single sentence quote from Hitler in 1935 that you gave is hardly damning. If that is the only chunk of text in the Brady Laws that is verbatim then it hardly turns that particular piece of legislation into Mein Kampf! The fact that the Third Reich managed to achieve full gun registration is totally irrelevant to the evil pogroms that the Nazi regime instituted ... these pogroms did not happen because of full gun registration. You need to learn some history, dear girl, before you try and claim that WW2 and the Holocaust are all a consequence of Nazi instigated gun control laws.

The Versailles Treaty after WW1 was very strict about German disarmament, and consequently the 1919 Weimar Republic issued a total and complete ban on ALL guns in the state. After all the post-war civil unrest had died down, the Weimar Republic relaxed this ban somewhat, and around about 1928 even permitted some very controlled gun ownership and manufacture. Two of the main political factions in the country that were the most adversely affected by this ban on guns were the Nazi party and the Communists. Consequently, after gaining power in 1933, the Nazis effectively RELAXED the gun control regulations, albeit not for the Jews, who were later (as the Nazis achieved preeminent power in the late thirties) banned from owning any kind of weapons (i.e., not just guns, but knives, etc.). But the Nazis actually relaxed gun control for most citizens of the country, NOT restricted it.

So if there is to be any kind of causal connectivity that can be established between gun control and evil pogroms under Nazi rule it is that the pogroms resulted from the more relaxed gun control legislation instigated by the Nazis! For allowing yourself to be completely brainwashed by NRA propaganda you get a third bonk on the head, stef. That's three bonks and you are out ... thank you for playing!

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 8:08:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe it was the Army Times.
And I do have some information that is hearsay.And when I quote those sources I say that I can't proove anything.
But when it is not hearsay I can proove it as fact.
And yes,asking to proove is lazy.You don't have to look for any info. yourself because someone did it for you.That is why our country is in a mess.People have become lazy and greedy.
So you submit reports.
How many people do you have writing the report for you?
Doing the work for you. So you can take the credit for the work.
I am being sarcastic.......I assume you do your own work.Why would you want anyone else to provide proove??Do it yourself...........
Besides if I did work for you that you want me to do that would make me submissive to you.
I am not even submissive to my employer.I do what, when ,and how I want.
I have to guarantee my work and the only way I will do that is if I do it my way.
The customer is not always right.The customer can be right but it may cost them more if I do it their way.
Do you understand any of this???
As far as the I know A guy who or I have a friend who.
What post are you talking about???
I can give you names and you can talk to these people yourself But I don't think that the D.E.A.agent would be happy now that you know he is D.E.A..
And I don't need to give you the name of the Dr. from the other thread because if you really want to know you can look up the biodeversity treaty and the Dr. was on many talk shows talking about the biodeversity treaty.And it was up for vote in my state as I said before.So if you don't believe me then who would you believe??It is all public record!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that no matter where you got this info. from you would not believe it because it is the oppisite of what we have been told.
I have nothing to hide.I am always 100% honest.As I said if I can't proove I say I can't.If I can I say I can.
I suppose you want my neighbors name and phone # he is a U.S. Marshal.
But hey you wouldn't believe him either.
Tell me who would you believe???????????
You sound like you have the cop mentality.
Us against them.Meaning most not all cops don't trust anyone without a badge.
I am not saying you are a cop.But you have that mentality.
Meaning you only believe a certain group of people.
I am not mad at you...
Just disapointed in my fellow American.

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 8:20:57 PM   
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Lets forget about everything everyone said but one sentence you typed.That way we can see the real agenda of the anti -gunners.We need to see both sides of this meaning pro and anti..
When people are disarmed thay can't defend themselves.
As you said the Nazis banned guns and knifes from Jews.
If Jews had guns and knives their would be more Jews alive today.
That was the purpose of not allowing them to own them.

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 8:25:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		While we're at it, let's add the "little known fact" that gun-control laws require gun owners to wear yellow stars on their clothing, and that the businesses of handgun-owners have "Americans! Don't by from gun-owners" painted on their windows.

Please don't lecture me about reading for comprehension. The Brady Laws ARE gun laws. The only person who didn't comprehend is you.

Lam

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Right, it's a little known fact that the Brady Laws mandate gassing handgun-owners and redistributing their property among wealthy party sympathizers.

Where do you get this crap?

The one spewing crap here is you.

She said GUN laws, not all laws. Try reading for comprehension next time.

"For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient. The world will follow our lead." - Adolph Hitler, 1935

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RE: Real ID..anyone else heard of it? - 5/14/2005 9:25:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Youtalkingtome

And yes,asking to proove is lazy.


In the judicial system of the United States, the burden of proof is upon the person making the accusations, is that not correct? When writing a thesis, term paper, etc., and you provide information that you have gleaned from other sources, you are required to cite those sources. You are making statements without supporting evidence. Maybe the laziness in this scenario lies in your unwillingness, or inability to provide any facts to support your statements.

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You don't have to look for any info. yourself because someone did it for you.

Who did the research for me? It certainly doesn't appear that you have. So far, you've cited "The Army Times" (A periodical for which I gave you the name) and "a guy". I don't call that research.

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So you submit reports.


Yep.
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How many people do you have writing the report for you?
Doing the work for you. So you can take the credit for the work.


Actually, I do the research. I look up facts, compare them, identify their source and determine the motive of it's author. Is the report editorial in nature? Who is the source? Who are they citing as their references? This goes on and on until I can assemble fact from fiction and provide accuracy in my reporting. The work is actually done by millions of people from every walk of life. I just compare their notes and cross reference their sources. It's research. They cite their sources...(But they must be doing it because everyone else is so lazy)

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Besides if I did work for you that you want me to do that would make me submissive to you.

What?!? (That's all I can really get out in regards to that statement at this point.)

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As far as the I know A guy who or I have a friend who.
What post are you talking about???
I can give you names and you can talk to these people yourself But I don't think that the D.E.A.agent would be happy now that you know he is D.E.A..


This post. That DEA guy. Does your saying he is DEA give him more credibility? Does your saying you know a guy who is in the DEA give you more credibility? No, on both counts.

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And I don't need to give you the name of the Dr. from the other thread because if you really want to know you can look up the biodeversity treaty and the Dr. was on many talk shows talking about the biodeversity treaty.And it was up for vote in my state as I said before.So if you don't believe me then who would you believe??It is all public record!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm talking about this thread...this time. I don't really care about anything that you have had to say in previous threads. I'm talking about here and now. Statements that you have made in this particular thread.

You stated that the military asks soldiers if they would be willing to shoot US citizens. This is false.

You went on to state that, "And only about 3% will off other Americans so they know they will need the U.N. troops.That is why we have all these anti gun laws. " Speculation, not fact.

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I think that no matter where you got this info. from you would not believe it because it is the oppisite of what we have been told.

More speculation. Don't presume to know what I believe, although, you can continue to speculate that I don't put much stock in what you have been saying so far...and I will be happy to tell you that your speculation is an accurate one.

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I have nothing to hide.I am always 100% honest.As I said if I can't proove I say I can't.If I can I say I can.

...Said the pixel on the screen.
If you were to provide me with something that would support your argument, I would have more faith in your honesty.

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I suppose you want my neighbors name and phone # he is a U.S. Marshal.
But hey you wouldn't believe him either.


Probably not. If I called your house and said, "Hi, I'm Lieutenant Duff from the Phoenix Police Department and we have a suspect in custody who has been stealing Social Security Numbers from people online. We need your SSN to cross reference it through our database to ensure that your private information is secure." Would you give me the information?
Why not? I SAID I was a Police Officer! Wouldn't you want something to cross reference from? A badge? An ID? Something? If not, I've got a great bridge I'd like to sell ya for next to nothing.

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Tell me who would you believe???????????

~Recruiting Statements
~Enlistment Contracts
~DA Forms
~DD Forms
~DA PAMS
~DOD Statements
~DA Publications
Bottom line: Documentation from a credible source.

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You sound like you have the cop mentality.
Us against them.Meaning most not all cops don't trust anyone without a badge.
I am not saying you are a cop.But you have that mentality.
Meaning you only believe a certain group of people.

Not true. I believe anyone who can support their arguments with facts cited from a credible source.
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I am not mad at you...

(shrugs) okay.
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Just disapointed in my fellow American.


Because someone has asked you to take responsibility for your statements? To cite your sources?
I guess you will have to get used to disappointment, because I'm still waiting for you to support your argument.

~Thorns


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~"Do you know what the chain of command is? Its the chain I beat ya with when ya don't follow my command."

"My inner child is a mean little fucker"

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