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darkinshadows -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 10:31:10 AM)

If you are using the examples as you say, then I would suggest/assume you are looking from the annhilationist/hellenistic POV - which comes from the greek philosophical account/teachings (Augustine etc) rather than the bible itself - rather than the 'traditionalist' POV which is where I am coming from (which doesn't mean I necessarily agree 100% - just another POV).
 
Not sure about anyone else.  Some people might just be coming from a personal standpoint.
That it was debate is I guess - the differing POV and not just coming from one single standpoint like a mindmap.
 
Peace



Termyn8or -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 10:33:18 AM)

This is the worst hijack I've ever seen, and I didn't do it.

Why is the existence of God, or more aptly put here, the non-existence of God so important ?

I was once told by a Chistian that I should believe just in case it's true. The indicator of my internal idiotometer went into the red zone. That would be a lie of epitomic proportion. And to even suggest such a thing, just how strong is his faith ? Or is it simply fear of the fairytales ?

One thing's for sure, genius' will go crazy arguing faith. Let's go back to politics ( L-O-L).

T



Real0ne -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 10:36:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

He could even be right. He certainly provided those in this country with a repressive political agenda a perfect opportunity. In fact, the whole thing could even be a massive, far-reaching plot to give the Right an excuse to take away our freedoms and change America as we know it into something closely resembling the repressive religious society of Saudi Arabia... with a Christian slant of course.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The US government will lead the American people into an unbearable hell and a choking life.--Osama bin Laden, Oct, 2001



i have posted many threads on how this country is losing its inalienable rights to "everything else" for lack of a better term, and becoming subjects rather than sovereigns, but either people do not see the big picture, or do not understand the implications and writing on the wall, or feel helpless to change it so why try, or simply do not care, but its not very popular regardless of the importance of the message.  then of course there is the other side of the coin, those who cant see a conspiracy if it bit them in the ass LOL  interesting angle i never thought of the religious angle, will ponder that some.



LadyMorgynn -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 10:41:02 AM)

You missed the REAL reason:  People are completely blind to the warning signs, because such a thing as you and I perceive, they believe CANNOT happen, because this is AMERICA. Such things don't happen HERE. Can't happen HERE.

Except... they are happening here. And when these people finally realize it, it will be too late.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

He could even be right. He certainly provided those in this country with a repressive political agenda a perfect opportunity. In fact, the whole thing could even be a massive, far-reaching plot to give the Right an excuse to take away our freedoms and change America as we know it into something closely resembling the repressive religious society of Saudi Arabia... with a Christian slant of course.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The US government will lead the American people into an unbearable hell and a choking life.--Osama bin Laden, Oct, 2001



i have posted many threads on how this country is losing its inalienable rights to "everything else" for lack of a better term, and becoming subjects rather than sovereigns, but either people do not see the big picture, or do not understand the implications and writing on the wall, or feel helpless to change it so why try, or simply do not care, but its not very popular regardless of the importance of the message.  then of course there is the other side of the coin, those who cant see a conspiracy if it bit them in the ass LOL  interesting angle i never thought of the religious angle, will ponder that some.




Real0ne -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 10:41:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

If you are using the examples as you say, then I would suggest/assume you are looking from the annhilationist/hellenistic POV - which comes from the greek philosophical account/teachings (Augustine etc) rather than the bible itself - rather than the 'traditionalist' POV which is where I am coming from (which doesn't mean I necessarily agree 100% - just another POV).
 
Not sure about anyone else.  Some people might just be coming from a personal standpoint.
That it was debate is I guess - the differing POV and not just coming from one single standpoint like a mindmap.
 
Peace




you got me!  i am trying to dredge my memory i mean its been over 30 years since i was into this and there have been literally zillions of gallons of water over the bridge since then LOL  sounds familiar tho...   so i am hesitant to get to deep into this as i have several other research projects on my plate right now LOL   i just dont think anyone will get to far until you all find a common ground for which version you all want to use...  then again maybe that in itself is the issue





darkinshadows -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 10:42:39 AM)

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I was once told by a Chistian that I should believe just in case it's true.

Just have one thing to say on that - [:'(]
 
As for politics... blergh - religion is politics[;)]
I think it is all pretty relevant, though.  As RealOne said - about seeing if people can come to a common agreement (its his thread afterall).  To me, that kind of seperates a genuis from someone who is not - the greatest geniuses were able to stand by their own viewpoint even though they were branded wrong or insane.  Maybe sticking to ones own view is what makes people become labeled insane, simply because they are not sheep?
Maybe individuality is viewed as insanity?
 
Peace



dawntreader -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 10:52:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


I was once told by a Chistian that I should believe just in case it's true. T


i can relate to this - i have had many tell me this when i stopped considering myself a christian...it doesn't bother me and i don't feel the need to defend my beliefs to them.

And darkinshadows - i agree with this line of yours
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  Maybe individuality is viewed as insanity?


If this is a true statement...count me in amongst the insane - and gladly so!



MissPlease -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 11:08:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
yes without giving it away the part on rehab imo was a total gut buster!  LOL

Hrmmm. ... don't remember that part.  Contrary to seemingly popular beliefs, IQ has nothing to do with being able to immediately remember everything and relate everything immediately or spell correctly or be right all the time. O.o 
I used to wonder if the use of any  prescribed or regulated drug could also make someone genius or cure someone of being genius - but I think Freud proved that one wrong already.  We ended up calling things pipe dreams when we negated ideas and embracing calling things genius when we agreed that it's a wonderful idea and ignored that it was drug induced in some fashion.  But, I have a theory on that one, too.  I'm not on any drugs except coffee, which by a recent study, makes people temporarily smarter.  Why not give it away? Are you afraid of ridicule :(  ?  Actually, I'd be afraid of the law.and ridicule.  Good thing I don't have much to be afraid of, but...people WILL use anything against anyone when they think it will gain them something, the nasties that we are.  
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Why is the existence of God, or more aptly put here, the non-existence of God so important ?

I was once told by a Chistian that I should believe just in case it's true. The indicator of my internal idiotometer went into the red zone. That would be a lie of epitomic proportion. And to even suggest such a thing, just how strong is his faith ? Or is it simply fear of the fairytales ?

One thing's for sure, genius' will go crazy arguing faith. Let's go back to politics ( L-O-L).


Hummmm......I think the thread is a tangent because everything is relative, Termyn8or.  That's one thing we all have agreed on, it seems.   *smiles* 

Politics, you say?  ohhhh, you ARE twisted!  The only time politics was ever genius is when the politicians decided NOT to use some genius concept for the destruction of humankind.

Respectfully,
MissPlease



HybridMoments -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 11:12:40 AM)

 
Heres an interesting little snippit of conversation regarding America in comparison to China,
Tell me what you think, I'd be interested in knowing.

Isaac: "China is the last sovereign country in the world. Authoritarian but willing - unlike U.N.-governed countries - to give its people the freedom to do what they want.
JC Denton: "As long as they don’t break the law."
Isaac: "Listen to me. This is real freedom, freedom to own property, make a profit, make your life. The West, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only financial power."
JC Denton: "Our governments have limited power by design."
Isaac: "Rhetoric--and you believe it! Don’t you know where those slogans come from?"
JC Denton: "I give up."
Isaac: "Well-paid researchers - how do you say it? - 'think tanks,' funded by big businesses. What is that? A 'think tank'?"
JC Denton: "Hardly as sinister as a dictator, like China’s Premier."
Isaac: "It’s privately-funded propaganda. The Trilateral Commission in the United States for instance."
JC Denton: "The separation of powers acknowledges the petty ambitions of individuals; that’s its strength."
Isaac: "A system organized around the weakest qualities of individuals will produce these same qualities in its leaders."
JC Denton: "Perhaps certain qualities are an inseparable part of human nature.
Isaac: "The mark of the educated man is the suppression of these qualities in favor of better ones. The same is true of civilization."



Real0ne -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 11:25:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

This is the worst hijack I've ever seen, and I didn't do it.

Why is the existence of God, or more aptly put here, the non-existence of God so important ?

I was once told by a Chistian that I should believe just in case it's true. The indicator of my internal idiotometer went into the red zone. That would be a lie of epitomic proportion. And to even suggest such a thing, just how strong is his faith ? Or is it simply fear of the fairytales ?

One thing's for sure, genius' will go crazy arguing faith. Let's go back to politics ( L-O-L).

T



g1!  i am laughing so hard i have tears in my eyes!



Real0ne -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 11:51:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

You missed the REAL reason:  People are completely blind to the warning signs, because such a thing as you and I perceive, they believe CANNOT happen, because this is AMERICA. Such things don't happen HERE. Can't happen HERE.

Except... they are happening here. And when these people finally realize it, it will be too late.


you know i didnt even bother posting it but AJ interviewed the police chief that was affected by the katrina disaster.   He was pissed.  Somehow the communications system for the police department were tampered with and one of his officers seen FEMA in there messing with it, only to look and find that several of the wires were cut!   The police shief is on record stating this!   but that cannot happen in america LOL   Fortunately one of his officers knew a bit about it and was able to get the police communications systems back up and running.

Now there are several out here that i have labelled non-conspiracy theorists that would write that off, as iff all these totally unrelated people throughout the us making these reports are all some part of a conspiracy even tho the the common link are these government organizations that are always at the center of this crap.

They will let things quiet down for a while till people forget and get involved with living while programming everyone with the words "terrorist" etc etc and the next step is martial law which we will ne4ver recover from.

How people cannot make the connection between germany, and the way the cia has inserted governments in other countries is so totally beyond my comprehnsion.

But then you know how it is, the people of this country and the governments of other countries are all liars and the us government is the only one who ever tells the truth...  one sec i have to stop choking... cough cough...

Anyway you get the picture....   like you said cant happen in america.



CuriousLord -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 11:59:21 AM)

Time applies to everything.  It's not some physical attribute- it's a construct.  It's very basic Physics- how we begin to see things.  A "God" would be included.

Should this God be living, and eternal, he'd be immortal.

Diamonds- nor their base components, so far as they are commonly known (Carbon)- are not eternal.  It was just a simplified analogy.  All matter will be destroyed in the future.  It'll just break down until nothing is left.  (This is pretty well known in the Physics community.)  I think it's about on an order not too many times off from 10^40 years.



Real0ne -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 12:05:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Diamonds- nor their base components, so far as they are commonly known (Carbon)- are not eternal.  It was just a simplified analogy.  All matter will be destroyed in the future.  It'll just break down until nothing is left.  (This is pretty well known in the Physics community.)  I think it's about on an order not too many times off from 10^40 years.


snipped the god components, so you are saying that the understanding of the convervation of energy is not true?  






CuriousLord -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 12:31:16 PM)

I mean no offense, Real.. but I sincerely doubt you'd be able to understand.. the idea is several orders of magnitude more complex than the extremely basic things I've said before that haven't been understood..

The following isn't technically accurate- so don't hold me to it.  But it's a simplified approximation.

The universe is going to split up into a huge number of child universes in which the micromers of reality, proper, are each going to be stuck in their own black hole.



Sinergy -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 12:38:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

I mean no offense, Real.. but I sincerely doubt you'd be able to understand.. the idea is several orders of magnitude more complex than the extremely basic things I've said before that haven't been understood..

The following isn't technically accurate- so don't hold me to it.  But it's a simplified approximation.

The universe is going to split up into a huge number of child universes in which the micromers of reality, proper, are each going to be stuck in their own black hole.



I hate it when that happens.

But then I am still puzzled how the mass that predates the Big Bang blew up in the first place.  Why wouldn't it's gravity prevent this from happening?

What is the fundamental mechanism driving the expansion of the universe?

I have way too much time to sit and think about stuff I read, and the books I have recently hit in my dock bag include Neitszche, so it will be a while until I get to cosmology.

Sinergy



darkinshadows -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 12:40:30 PM)

I guess your theory and a traditional christian theory just will never meld.  I believe to understand the concept, it assist to understand that eternal and immortal are not the same thing.
 
Using your physics theory that time applies to everything, everything will die in time, then nothing is immortal, nor will ever be.  Therefore God wouldn't be immortal.
 
But god exists outside of time as well as within it (from a christian POV) for he is omnipotent (which is why time does not apply).  Immortality appeals only to time and death.  Eternal doesn't because is exists before and after.
 
From a scientific POV, I can see your point, but time isnt important to eternal life, only to immortality.
Immortality is the opposite to mortality.
To be mortal is to be subject to death.  God did die.  Therefore he cannot be immortal. (But was incorruptable).
 
And if you believe that everything is god - then that diamond still cannot be immortal, but always eternal.
 
Peace and Rapture



darkinshadows -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 12:50:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

The following isn't technically accurate- so don't hold me to it.  But it's a simplified approximation.

The universe is going to split up into a huge number of child universes in which the micromers of reality, proper, are each going to be stuck in their own black hole.


If the number of child universes then each have it's own 'time', and if the child universes are made from this universe - then they existed before time.
Everything comes from something else?
Does that not make everything eternal? (Black holes aside)
 
Peace
 



CuriousLord -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 12:51:48 PM)

Kind of funny that my last post reminded you of the Big Bang.  It's quite relevant.

I'll be brief; I hope this surfices.

The distance between matter grows as time goes on.  Space, itself, is expanding.  One might consider, for simplified approximation, the universe to be defined as a set of all points equal-distant from a center point in four diminsions.  (This is to say, the universe is 3-D, wrapped around a point at the center like a circle (1D universe) or a sphere (2D universe) is about its center.)

The hypersphere (the shape just descriped) is gaining in radius.  (The equal distance of all points is expanding.)  This thusly increases distance between the points on the sphere.

For one adept at Math, I would offer:
w^2 + x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = f(t)^2; df(t)/dt > 0.

This is to say that, the distance of all points of our reality increases as a function of time, with time.

At the time of the Big Bang,
w^2 + x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = ~0.
This is to say, the shape just began- springing into existence- with all energy at a point.

It is important to note that mass is not considered to be at the very beginning.  Mass is the death-product of energy, being related by m = E c^-2.  (m == mass, E == energy, c == speed of light).

Or, more simply put, space itself didn't exist before the time of the Big Bang.  Then it began to exist- and grow, as it still does until this day (so far as we know).





CuriousLord -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 12:56:17 PM)

Well, you see, that's the problem with a simplified answer- that doesn't work with it.  It's very vague.. I'm giving it as to provide some sort of answer, but it isn't something you can start basing other things off of.

And, well; I don't know what existed before time.. but these "child universe"s are one thing that we're pretty sure didn't.  Actually, they're basically the main thing we know that didn't.  :P



dcnovice -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (6/3/2007 1:31:29 PM)

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Space, itself, is expanding.


Into what?



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