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CuriousLord -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/25/2007 10:21:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Statistical laws hold as a matter of scientific observation. Have to disagree with you there. They may hold as a matter of mathematics or logic. It's scientific. Being able to flip a coin's simple enough proof for that. For more information on experiments, I'd check Wikipedia. quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice But no law related to infinity can be based on observation. Who's observed infinity? Disagreed. Infinity is simply a large number without bounds. From Calculus, we can see numerous, direct implications of this. But, in the very basics, they're self-evident truths that follow from observing the approaches of increasing finitie values. Further, to observe, one might observe indirectly. We have observed- and failed to observe- many phenomina in nature about infinity. Edit: We better continue this in private. Real's brought up our highjacking.

dcnovice -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/25/2007 10:27:59 PM)
quote: We have observed- and failed to observe- many phenomina in nature about infinity. Such as?

dcnovice -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/25/2007 10:30:20 PM)
quote: We better continue this in private. Real's brought up our highjacking. Has he complained? The thread he started for you and someone else (not me) is about the speed of light, I think. However, I actually do need to go to bed, so I shall lay the topic to rest. Good night, all.

CuriousLord -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/25/2007 10:45:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Such as? Lack of particles traveling at c (to tease Real :P). Number of lines possible to draw perpendicular to a figure defined as all the points equildistant from another in more than one diminsion. The inverse of the chance of any impossible event. Number of posts I've answered today. Edit: Ohh, you're right about Real's new thread. I forgot about someone here having an alias with "girl" in it, and I didn't know your gender, so I thought he may've been referring to you (as it seemed likely since I thought we've done the biggest hjiack of this thread in the last couple pages). My bad.

girl4you2 -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/25/2007 10:54:06 PM)
fast reply: i'm the girl; the green one. i did admit to hijacking this thread last night, and i've been a party to kinda helping it go that way again today. it's also sorta blending with the other one about literal translations and acceptance. never had a thread named partially for me before gosh

luckydog1 -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 3:01:08 AM)
"Wouldn't you say you're confusing faith with fact..? " Show me something I have asserted as fact, except for the fact that your proof is based on a couple of untested hypothesis on informnation with absolutly no hard data. There is no basis for assigning God characteristics of life as we know it. To do so is to misstate Chrisitian theology, which is a strawman argument. Where again on the page you assert agrees 100% with your description of Christian Theology, does it say God has Micromeres, hence is goverened by the rules of life as we know it? I challenged you on this before, and you ducked the question. Time is part of our universe, and was created with it, many scientists believe this. Is it true as a fact? I can not say, neither can you. Gods existance ,by theological definition predates the existance of our universe. And theology holds that he will ocntinue to exist after our universe is no more. Is our universe perhaps simply a part of a larger multiverse, perhaps, but there is no basis to assert it as fact. I continue to assert that your proof is based on misdefining theology (strawman) and substituting opinion for Fact (error B), hence is not a valid proof. I am going to be off line for the weekend, going up to camp and perform at a Music Festival out in the woods. Hope everyone has a great weekend.

luckydog1 -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 3:03:30 AM)
Last thought, you assert there is no chance of things happening that can not, regardless of how many times it is played out. Perhaps it is not an acutal possabillity for God to die, that is what Christian theology would hold.

Real0ne -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 4:38:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Statistical laws hold as a matter of scientific observation. Have to disagree with you there. They may hold as a matter of mathematics or logic. It's scientific. Being able to flip a coin's simple enough proof for that. For more information on experiments, I'd check Wikipedia. quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice But no law related to infinity can be based on observation. Who's observed infinity? Disagreed. Infinity is simply a large number without bounds. From Calculus, we can see numerous, direct implications of this. But, in the very basics, they're self-evident truths that follow from observing the approaches of increasing finitie values. Further, to observe, one might observe indirectly. We have observed- and failed to observe- many phenomina in nature about infinity. Edit: We better continue this in private. Real's brought up our highjacking. nah i wouldnt try and put the kabash on you all having fun :) That was a note to CL that i put up a vid for him in the other thread about some of the amazing things he may that will defy reasoning if they ever figure it out. LOL

mnottertail -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 4:49:15 AM)
I am not insane, just terribly misunderstood. Ron

Real0ne -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 5:27:41 AM)
i do not recall god ever being related as a "force" in christian theology i think the force is out of the first episode of star wars. 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CuriousLord -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 6:23:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: girl4you2 fast reply: i'm the girl; the green one. i did admit to hijacking this thread last night, and i've been a party to kinda helping it go that way again today. it's also sorta blending with the other one about literal translations and acceptance. never had a thread named partially for me before gosh This is a big responsibility! We're going to have to love it, feed it, and make sure it practices safe-hijackings (for reprodutction) when it's older! Plus, he's gotta play <insert name of random sport> in the major leauges some day!

Real0ne -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 6:32:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord quote: ORIGINAL: girl4you2 fast reply: i'm the girl; the green one. i did admit to hijacking this thread last night, and i've been a party to kinda helping it go that way again today. it's also sorta blending with the other one about literal translations and acceptance. never had a thread named partially for me before gosh This is a big responsibility! We're going to have to love it, feed it, and make sure it practices safe-hijackings (for reprodutction) when it's older! Plus, he's gotta play <insert name of random sport> in the major leauges some day! LMAO She is talking about this thread that i made specifically for her and you unless you are not CL LOL http://www.collarchat.com/m_1037499/tm.htm that and i put it up there as a result of our other conversation when i pointed out that you can wirelessly transmit enough power to run the battleship enterprise off the coast of india from new york, ot fot that matter all of bombay in teslas world but you cannot in einsteins world how can that possbly be?

CuriousLord -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 6:51:45 AM)
It's fine. As.. disengaging as this may sound- which I truly apologize for- I believe the concepts of mutual interaction, statistics, and time are things one should devote time and study to. Things that I, despite my opinion of myself, took a good while to think of. It is unfair to expect others to come to terms with such notions in far less time than it took me. For the matter of this discussion, I would like to affirm that time is not real- it's a construct; interaction is mutual, should it be intelligent; statistics hold valid. I fear, though, these are things one might learn in school, but not something I can readily say, 'Hey, this is why' in a sentence or two when there's an absent basis. Still, any feed back as to the problems with my argument, common, would be appreciated. I would like to understand why one might believe time to be real, and, should it be possible to elaborte upon, why one might believe a God to be a seperate entity, uneffected by the world. Yeah, I'll be a bit more on/off today. Some busy work to do about the house. Hope it goes well for you.

dcnovice -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 2:26:06 PM)
quote: Last thought, you assert there is no chance of things happening that can not, regardless of how many times it is played out. Perhaps it is not an acutal possabillity for God to die, that is what Christian theology would hold. I'm not sure if it's funny or sad or what that I was thinking about this thread during my pilgrimmage to the coffee shop today, but I more or less landed on the same point. It would seem to me that God's dying would have to be a perceived rather than an actual possibility. Time is still unfolding, after all, so we don't yet know what will happen. We're like people watching a movie (for the first time) who don't yet know if the title character will be alive at the closing credits. Thought of something else that has me a bit muddled, since I'm admittedly not a logician. A key part of the proof seems to be that God must die and thus is not immortal. But something that has never existed can't die, so the proof appears to be at odds with itself.

dcnovice -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 2:28:17 PM)
quote: Number of posts I've answered today. LOL!

Sinergy -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 4:20:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: We better continue this in private. Real's brought up our highjacking. Has he complained? The thread he started for you and someone else (not me) is about the speed of light, I think. However, I actually do need to go to bed, so I shall lay the topic to rest. Good night, all. I read something in either Astronomy or Discover a few months ago about the largest gamma ray burst ever recorded. It caused all sorts of havoc on earth. The source was determined to be some ungodly distant astronomical body, like a black hole or a neutron star. The distance was something ridiculous like 900 million light years away. The article made the point that the level of energy was so intense that had the source been in our galaxy, it would have killed every living thing on earth. Since we know how fast light travels. We know where and how far away the source of the gamma ray emitter was. This means that whatever it was that caused the gamma rays to shoot out happened 900 million years ago. Puts a bit of a damper on the theory that the universe was created 6000 years ago. Sinergy

Real0ne -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 9:27:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy The distance was something ridiculous like 900 million light years away. The article made the point that the level of energy was so intense that had the source been in our galaxy, it would have killed every living thing on earth. what i woudl like to know is how do they come up with this? i mean i get the impression these guys can look at an odometer or something LOL What procedure is used for that estimate or guess or whatever it is?

Sinergy -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/26/2007 10:48:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy The distance was something ridiculous like 900 million light years away. The article made the point that the level of energy was so intense that had the source been in our galaxy, it would have killed every living thing on earth. what i woudl like to know is how do they come up with this? i mean i get the impression these guys can look at an odometer or something LOL What procedure is used for that estimate or guess or whatever it is? http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-02/sy0rgf021706.php We have a number of detector satellites and gamma ray antennas. It is possible to triangulate between two of them and get the distance for the third point on the triangle. Sinergy

Real0ne -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/27/2007 10:50:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy The distance was something ridiculous like 900 million light years away. The article made the point that the level of energy was so intense that had the source been in our galaxy, it would have killed every living thing on earth. what i woudl like to know is how do they come up with this? i mean i get the impression these guys can look at an odometer or something LOL What procedure is used for that estimate or guess or whatever it is? http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-02/sy0rgf021706.php We have a number of detector satellites and gamma ray antennas. It is possible to triangulate between two of them and get the distance for the third point on the triangle. Sinergy bummer they moved the page, i am interested to see how they can get that kind of accuracy with vitually zero degrees minute of angle.

girl4you2 -> RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? (5/27/2007 11:08:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne bummer they moved the page, i am interested to see how they can get that kind of accuracy with vitually zero degrees minute of angle. or you could do a web search (google, hotbot, dogpile) and read about it yourself; just an idea.

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