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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 11:40:45 AM   
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Selfb, there are only three "races", Negroid, Mongoloid, Caucasoid.



Ummm.

Which race do Sicilians fall under?  They are a cross-breeding of caucasoids and negroid peoples during the Moorish conquest of southern Europe.

I look forward to your lucid racial analysis.

Sinergy

On a related note, hispanics from Mexico are a cross-breeding of caucasoids (Spanish predominantly, which are also cross-breeds of Caucasoids and Negroids from the Moorish conquests) and Mongoloids (crossed the ice bridge from Asia and settled southwards).




Sinergy, unless they're Negroid or Mongoloid, Sicilians are caucaision. (And I wouldn't advise you to go into an Italian neighborhood in Boston or N.Y. and bring up that argument, some of them are very predjudiced.)
Look at most of the people in India. Are they Negroid? No, are they Mongoloid, no.

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 12:56:20 PM   
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Sinergy, unless they're Negroid or Mongoloid, Sicilians are caucaision.



Not really.

Olive skin and dark hair.  The caucasoids and negroids intermarried a thousand or so years ago.

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Look at most of the people in India. Are they Negroid? No, are they Mongoloid, no.



Are you saying people from India are caucasoid?

Hrm.  Anthropologists would disagree.

However, I was talking about the Caucasoid / Negroid Spaniards intermarrying with the mongoloid native Americans.

While I understand racist individuals want to believe otherwise, anthropological studies prove otherwise.

It is a situation where, on the one hand, we have people who stridently believe there are only 3 races.  These people are an example of the sort of mindset that Steve Martin describes in his book Pure Drivel, where he talks about his bird bath by a 15th century Italian sculptor.

On the other hand, we have people who study genetic and racial sub-groups and migration patterns and use DNA studies to determine racial characteristics.

You can believe whatever you want, this does not actually make it true.

Sinergy

Let me ask you something, what "race" are O.J. Simpson's children?

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 1:32:03 PM   
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If anyone wants to delve into the incredibly complex world of population genetics, a world in which the concept of "race" (the definitions of which, by the way, were never entirely agreed upon) has been abandoned in favor of other, more meaningful groupings of traits (e.g., clinal variation), this link provides a good starting point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race#Current_views_across_disciplines

Wikipedia, like any other encyclopedia, is not the final authority on anything, but this highly technical article does provide a good overview. That old 3-race idea is a relic from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Anthropologists still occasionally use the terms as a form of shorthand, but with the knowledge that they are nothing more than that. Kinda like the difference between Newtonian physics and...uh...the other kind.

Bob

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 1:34:00 PM   
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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 1:37:09 PM   
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Buchanon said
"In 1960, 18 million black Americans, 10 percent of the nation, were not fully integrated into society, but they had been assimilated into our culture. They worshiped the same God, spoke the same language, had endured the same Depression and war, watched the same TV shows on the same four channels, laughed at the same comedians, went to the same movies, ate the same foods, read the same newspapers and went to schools where, even when segregated, we learned the same history and literature and shared the same holidays: Christmas, New Year's, Washington's Birthday, Easter, Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Columbus Day. Segregation existed, but black folks were as American as apple pie, having lived in this land longer than almost every other group save the Native Americans.


am i the only one who has some real problems with both what this guy said and his logic, facts, and basic understanding of this issue of blacks in the 50s society? watched the same tv shows? how many had tv in each group? same comedians? same musicians? how many ate the same foods? how many foght the war side by side? i don't think so. american as white apple pie? please. and what about the chinese who were brought over to work on the west coast? the mexicans who were from the southwest, but not native americans? this whole thing just doesn't fly for me. the french and spanish might have something to say about it as well; new orleans, st. augustine, etc. were around a fairly long time ago.

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 1:54:02 PM   
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and...uh...the other kind.



Quantum mechanics.

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 1:55:36 PM   
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am i the only one who has some real problems with both what this guy said and his logic, facts, and basic understanding of this issue of blacks in the 50s society?

 
I have problems with it. It's a whitewash (get it? heh, I crack myself up) and shows a remarkable degree of cluelessness. Yeah, they were there for the depression and all that other stuff, but to say their experiences resembled those of my parents is quite a reach. Maybe I'm missing his point, but, if so, I think that's good. Missing a point made by Buchanan can't be a bad thing, can it?

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 2:01:01 PM   
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and...uh...the other kind.



Quantum mechanics.

Sinergy


Yeah, that kind. Damn it, Jim! I'm an archaeologist, NOT a quantum mechanic!

Bob

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 2:12:54 PM   
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Sinergy, unless they're Negroid or Mongoloid, Sicilians are caucaision.



Not really.

Olive skin and dark hair.  The caucasoids and negroids intermarried a thousand or so years ago.

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Look at most of the people in India. Are they Negroid? No, are they Mongoloid, no.



Are you saying people from India are caucasoid?

Hrm.  Anthropologists would disagree.

However, I was talking about the Caucasoid / Negroid Spaniards intermarrying with the mongoloid native Americans.

While I understand racist individuals want to believe otherwise, anthropological studies prove otherwise.

It is a situation where, on the one hand, we have people who stridently believe there are only 3 races.  These people are an example of the sort of mindset that Steve Martin describes in his book Pure Drivel, where he talks about his bird bath by a 15th century Italian sculptor.

On the other hand, we have people who study genetic and racial sub-groups and migration patterns and use DNA studies to determine racial characteristics.

You can believe whatever you want, this does not actually make it true.

Sinergy

Let me ask you something, what "race" are O.J. Simpson's children?


Sinergy, the Picts had olive skin and jet black hair. So what?
Race isn't determined by skin color, it's determined by anatomy.
OJ's kids would be half Caucasoid and half Negroid.
I'm starting to like that "one race" thing!
It doesn't matter what your race is, we're all the human race.
But, if you're here illegally you STILL have to leave!
The only ones who like to argue "race" always seem to have some type of "immigration issues." What "race" has to do with that I don't know.

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 2:14:44 PM   
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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 2:21:07 PM   
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But, if you're here illegally you STILL have to leave!


not having read all of these posts, except for some fairly abhorent ones, i'm not going to get into semantics, but i will ask this: at what point do we decide people in another country "illegally" have to leave? i suppose we could go wayyyyy back, and all just leave quietly if we're not native american, inuit, mexican, or other natives.

it's a global world out here. might we be better off trying to find solutions to problems in the world's countries (oh, i don't know, how about hunger, poor water, no education, limited access to health care to start) instead of how to isolate them all or divide them all up yet another way again? it's a thought, anyway.

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 3:09:15 PM   
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I think Kyle said it best.

"You know, I think we all learned something today. It's fine to have your own beliefs and your own traditions, but as soon as you start excluding people from your ways, only because of their race, you become separative. Being a separative sucks ass." - Kyle, South Park, Episode 309: Jewbilee
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 3:10:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think we want to create a world where there are not a significant number have-nots lest the have-nots try to have what the haves have :) This is usually by force. If one looks at various community strifes or people that come from "war-torn" countries, we see that it's usually those that have nothing to lose that cause all the crap.

On a side note about immigration, it is rather ironic that some "immigrants" have contributed greatly to our enjoyment of the internet, the arts, or our understanding of the scientific world....

Examples: Zubin Mehta (NYPO), Norah Jones, Sabeer Bhatia (Hotmail), Dr. Sanjay Gupta (CNN), Deepak Chopra (self-help), Pradeep Sidhu (co-founder of Juniper Networks), Vinod Khosla (co-founder Sun Microsystems), Tony Kanal (No Doubt), Kim Thayil (Soundgarden), Amar Bose (Bose Corporation), Har Gobind Khorana (Nobel Prize - medicine), Amartya Sen (Nobel Prize - economics), Subramanyan Chandrasekhar (Nobel Prize - physics), Narinder Kapany ("father of fiber optics"), Steven Chu (Nobel Prize - physics), Jen-Hsun Huang (co-founder Nvidia), Daniel Chee Tsui (Nobel Prize - physics), Jerry Yang (co-founder Yahoo), Victor and Janie Tsao (founders of Linksys), Michael Chang (French Open), Michelle Kwan (Olympics), Amy Chow (Olympics), Kristi Yamaguchi (Olympics), Yao Ming (Basketball), Mikhail Baryshnikov (ballet), Henry A. Kissinger (Politics), Severo Ochoa (Nobel Prize - medicine), Jerry Garcia (Grateful Dead), Oscar De la Hoya (boxing), Mario Molina (Nobel Prize - chemistry), Carlos Santana....






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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 3:49:12 PM   
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 i suppose we could go wayyyyy back, and all just leave quietly if we're not native american, inuit, mexican, or other natives.


Science is not allowed to proceed without succumbing to POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

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When the Army Corps of Engineers couldn't make one of North America's most exciting archeological finds go away, it decided to perform a massive cover-up operation. Literally. First it dumped 500 tons of rock and gravel from helicopters onto the Columbia River discovery site. Then the Corps layered the shoreline near Kennewick, Wash., with more than 300 tons of dirt and logs. Finally, it planted thousands of trees on top of the remade terrain, once a muddy beach. "The Corps destroyed as much as possible as fast as possible," says geologist Tom Stafford. "It's like they hit it with a nuclear bomb."

-break-

They are hoping Kennewick Man doesn't ultimately go the way of the so called Buhl Woman, nearly 11,000 years old, whose remains were reburied by the Shoshone-Bannock tribe in Idaho without extensive study. According to scientists who had limited access to her bones, she may have displayed features similar to Kennewick Man. Then there's the case of Nevada's 9,400-year-old Spirit Cave Mummy, another ancient skeleton with Caucasoid-like features whose thorough examination has been blocked repeatedly by the Bureau of Land Management.

Remains that old are extremely rare, making each one a priceless discovery for the scientists who probe them. Because of fiascos like Kennewick Man, however, there may not be anybody to do the research in the future. Robson Bonnichsen of Oregon State University worries that graduate students won't want to study prehistoric America because of the legal hassles. "We're going to lose talented young people," he says. "Our ability to know what happened here long ago will vanish."

Maybe that's the point.


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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 3:56:54 PM   
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 i suppose we could go wayyyyy back, and all just leave quietly if we're not native american, inuit, mexican, or other natives.


Except for the fact that all of them immigrated illegally from north-eastern Mongolia over the ice bridge.
 
Dont you people understand?
 
Everybody in the Americas immigrated illegally!
 
The only solution is for us to all pack up our tents and go home.
 
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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 4:16:09 PM   
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Except for the fact that all of them immigrated illegally from north-eastern Mongolia over the ice bridge.

 
okay, well then if you wanna go wayyyy wayyyyy back, yeah.
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Dont you people understand?
 
Everybody in the Americas immigrated illegally!
 
The only solution is for us to all pack up our tents and go home.
 
Sinergy

exactly. so why not focus on getting on and contributing to solutions rather than divvying things up into patches here and patches there, you stay on that side, and don't touch the line (didn't that get done when we were 6?)? people, we have a whole world out there with lots of problems, problems in the northern hemisphere and problems in the southern; it's time to start thinking globally or we're in for a heap more trouble than we already have.

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 4:26:07 PM   
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exactly. so why not focus on getting on and contributing to solutions rather than divvying things up into patches here and patches there
 

 
Well put.
 
Sinergy
 
p.s.  I think they should put a rider into the bill that anybody captured by INS or who applies for Amnesty needs to do an obligatory tour in Iraq.  They pass that bill, I imagine Mexico will complain about their overwhelming problem with legal returning ex-immigrants.


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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 4:27:41 PM   
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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 4:30:50 PM   
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Oh, goody, a global government. Let's all hold hands and sing the Sharia Law song...


Oh Sharia, my mullah, Oh Sharia
Oh Sharia, my Mullah, Oh Sharia

Someone's car is exploding, Oh Sharia...

Someone's calling for Jihad, Oh Sharia...

You mean like that?

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RE: Pat Buchanan vs Adolf Hitler - 5/23/2007 4:34:08 PM   
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Oh, goody, a global government. Let's all hold hands and sing the Sharia Law song...


Oh Sharia, my mullah, Oh Sharia
Oh Sharia, my Mullah, Oh Sharia

Someone's car is exploding, Oh Sharia...

Someone's calling for Jihad, Oh Sharia...

You mean like that?

Sinergy


That's kind of good, Sinergy. Yeah, I like that. You're okay in some ways... and that was sung to the tune of... what. My Sharona?

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