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How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 5:35:51 PM   
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I’ve seen and heard a number of stories about first meetings that haven’t turned out well. Then there is the perpetual question about trust when first meeting. Ronald Reagan summed it up when he said, “Trust but verify”. So here, I’m going to tell you specifically, with step-by-step instructions how to do that.

The “Silent Alarm” is targeted towards the safety of women but guys and Dom\mes , I suggest that all parties use this method. Going into a first or even second meeting with a certain degree of safety makes the whole process a lot easier. I will write this to its intended target audience but like I said, everyone should use this method.

Setting up a Silent Alarm.

So you’ve been chatting with a Dom online for a few weeks and maybe even talking on the phone. He’s been suggesting getting together to meet face to face and while you’ve been hesitant, maybe apprehensive, you’re also a bit excited at the prospect of advancing a relationship. Persuasive and charming, he finally convinces you to give in and meet him.

This is the first best chance to find out if he’s as trust worthy as he says he is.

1. Tell him you want to setup a silent alarm. If he knows what this is he should agree to it right away. That’s a good sign that he can be trusted. If he doesn’t know what it is, go to step 2.
2. You tell him that you agree to meet in a public and at least somewhat crowded environment. This could be a busy coffee house, restaurant, or mall. It should be fairly well lit. Stay away from dark steamy bars. As a matter of fact it’s best to leave alcohol out of the picture entirely.
3. You agree on a time limit for the meeting. That could be any thing from 15 minutes to a few hours. Not much longer than that.
4. You call a friend. Tell that friend that you are meeting a stranger and you are setting up this safety net. Tell him or her that on the appointed day and time, that you will call them and give them the name of the person with whom you are meeting along with license number and SS # and the location where you will be. If you do not call you friend back at the at the end of you meeting (the time limit) to say that you are home safe, then you friend is instructed to call the police and explain the situation.
5. Upon first meting and making introductions he is to present his drivers license to you, where upon you will copy all the pertinent information including license number and social security number.
6. You will make a call to you friend in waiting and pass all that information along so that he or she will have it at hand.
7. You stay in the location that you agreed to meet at until the designated time limit is up then you go home.
8. You call you friend and tell them that you are home safe.

This is all part of safe meeting negotiations and you should tell the person you are about to meet with all about your silent alarm. Don’t keep it as a secret or a surprise. Be honest and up front about the whole deal. Stick to the plan. Wait, you didn’t hear me. STICK TO THE PLAN. If you move from the original meeting place, you friend won’t know where to look for you. If you linger past the end time the police might come looking for you. Did I say stick to the plan?


WHAT IF?

What if, he asks you to stay a while longer. Go home at the appointed time. Hey you might hit it off right away, and want the meeting to go on and on. Look, you can always meet again and probably will.

What if, He balks at this idea and says you don’t need to go through all that trouble. RED FLAG. You should be asking yourself, what’s he hiding? Stay home, stay online and find out.

What if, You get there say hello and he refuses to show you his ID. Turn around and walk away. Make sure that somebody sees you leave. Say goodnight to a waiter, Say to the host at the door “ My name is Jane Doe its 7:30 and I’m leaving, what ever it takes let somebody know. These days you probably have a cell phone, call your friend.

What if, He suggests you go someplace else, some thing quiet, secluded? Sounds romantic but stay put.

What if, the worst happens and he starts to drag you away. Drop that paper that you copied his information on, so somebody can find it. Scream and kick, and scratch. Odds are if he agreed to all this in the first place, this won’t happen.

It doesn’t seem romantic at all and its not supposed to be but it only takes a few minutes to get business out of the way and start enjoying your date. You will be more relaxed and enjoy your time more know that you have a safety mechanism in place.

TIPS:

A short appointment give you a quick out your date turns out to be a jerk. Don’t plan more than a few hours at the most.

Go to the bathroom half way through you meeting and call you friend to give them an update. They will worry less and you’ll feel better.

No drugs or alcohol. Make it a soft drink night. Keep your wits about you.


If you feel uncomfortable about anything at any time, go home. Trust you feelings. If there is a problem you can talk about it online from the safety of you own home at a later time.

If you don’t have a friend that you can use, (maybe they don’t understand BDSM) contact a local group in you area. There will always be somebody there that will be willing to do this for you. If for some reason you can’t do that I’m willing to bet that some of us here on Collarme would be willing to act as your silent alarm.

Oh and by the way, if I haven’t said this already. Stick to the plan.

Have fun, be safe.





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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 5:50:46 PM   
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This is really excellent. Thank you for posting it.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 6:18:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrKite
1. Tell him you want to setup a silent alarm. If he knows what this is he should agree to it right away. That’s a good sign that he can be trusted. If he doesn’t know what it is, go to step 2.

Or that he wants you to feel that way, or that he knows its an easy way for you to feel like he's cool.

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3. You agree on a time limit for the meeting. That could be any thing from 15 minutes to a few hours. Not much longer than that.

Depends on the circumstances. The Owner drove 3 hours to meet me for the first time, he certainly expected to stay longer than an hour and I would certainly agree it's silly to travel a significant distance for a cup of coffee.
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4. You call a friend. Tell that friend that you are meeting a stranger and you are setting up this safety net. Tell him or her that on the appointed day and time, that you will call them and give them the name of the person with whom you are meeting along with license number and SS # and the location where you will be. If you do not call you friend back at the at the end of you meeting (the time limit) to say that you are home safe, then you friend is instructed to call the police and explain the situation.

Clear limits and consequences are good. But I don't give someone that sort of information SPECIALLY my SSN just for a first meeting.
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5. Upon first meting and making introductions he is to present his drivers license to you, where upon you will copy all the pertinent information including license number and social security number.

Why not just hand over a credit card too? Just to prove they can trust you. Also, you shouldn't ask for any information you aren't prepared to share yourself.
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What if, he asks you to stay a while longer. Go home at the appointed time. Hey you might hit it off right away, and want the meeting to go on and on. Look, you can always meet again and probably will.

Or you can make an adult decision to take it further, use condoms. Call the friend.
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What if, He balks at this idea and says you don’t need to go through all that trouble. RED FLAG. You should be asking yourself, what’s he hiding? Stay home, stay online and find out.

Agreed, a male or female who doesn't respect a "sorry not feeling like it" on a first date is trouble.

Not sure what staying online will help you find out.
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What if, You get there say hello and he refuses to show you his ID. Turn around and walk away. Make sure that somebody sees you leave. Say goodnight to a waiter, Say to the host at the door “ My name is Jane Doe its 7:30 and I’m leaving, what ever it takes let somebody know. These days you probably have a cell phone, call your friend.

If they had agreed to give you this information beforehand, yes.
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What if, He suggests you go someplace else, some thing quiet, secluded? Sounds romantic but stay put.

OR make a responsible adult judgement for yourself, while understanding posible consequences. Bring condoms.

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It doesn’t seem romantic at all and its not supposed to be but it only takes a few minutes to get business out of the way and start enjoying your date. You will be more relaxed and enjoy your time more know that you have a safety mechanism in place.

No you have an early warning system in place with someone who has a lot of your personal information.

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If you feel uncomfortable about anything at any time, go home. Trust you feelings. If there is a problem you can talk about it online from the safety of you own home at a later time.

Yeah, do you go through all this if you've met the person at a party and THEN had a first date? Sheesh we're competent adults but we can't discuss being uncomfortable face to face in public?
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If you don’t have a friend that you can use, (maybe they don’t understand BDSM) contact a local group in you area. There will always be somebody there that will be willing to do this for you. If for some reason you can’t do that I’m willing to bet that some of us here on Collarme would be willing to act as your silent alarm.

A cyber safe call? Yeah that's good for the police to hear "my online friend hasn't called me"

Be a responsible adult, make sensible decisions. I didn't need all this stuff dating in vanilla, dating offline, I certainly don't need it now just because it's kinky.

If I feel I NEED this system in place, I just won't meet the person. No half way chances.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 6:51:45 PM   
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quote:

If I feel I NEED this system in place, I just won't meet the person. No half way chances.


I agree... first meeting in a public place should be enough. Otherwise we'll need to set up a silent alarm when going a party, a store, mall, movie cinema... every day. Always... I based my decisions on instinct, and they never failed me.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 6:56:22 PM   
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Nice message Mr. Kite, and lots of sage advice. I think Emerald's advice is too lax for most people that need a thread like this,

>> edited to add: especially new people who haven't developed the instincts more experienced people have, along with those of us who may be too inclined to believe the best of people...<<

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 6:59:26 PM   
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i agree this is excellent. Its a great plan. It keeps you safe for the moment. But say this oh so charming man does all thats agreed too...

Say he's patient?

i'm sorry and i may hijack your thread and put alittle rant out there, but i'm getting tired of people think that Evil has a face. That you can spot it. Like i'm sure in that other thread the lady could of done all of this and he still wrote bad checks and stuff like that.

Evil is like any disease, you cant look at some one and know they have it. And the biggest kind of evil there is very little safety precautions you can take other then being smarter then it.

But of course, your suggestion will stop them from being killed on the spot or in the first few meetings. Or how ever long they choose to do it. Course as soon as the victem is comfortable is when its possible to victemize. The BEST "bad" guys earn your trust first. = )

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The best "technique to have"


is common sense and being smarter then them and ahead of the game. Setting up your won internal safety nets. Keeping your eyes open but shut at the same time. Always watching them. Learning their motives and intentions. Figuring out what their true nature is. Setting up tests. Watching them watching them. Theres alot of things you can do to be safe, but its all internally and keeping your head about you. Aye and when it comes to "bad" ppl and them trying to harm you, it IS just a game to them.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 7:08:52 PM   
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Yeah, do you go through all this if you've met the person at a party and THEN had a first date?


Ha. yeah i never understood that either. All these safety precautions when meeting some one "offline" (that wont really keep you safe in the long run anyways)

Yet there are no such "safety" precautions set up for when you meet a person at a bar.

Its almost like ppl think meeting offline is so much more dangerous then meeting someone the way you normally would. In person.... off the street.. at a bar.. at a party.. at a friends. But then of course its not "normal" by today's standards and when something is "different", people are usually afraid off it.

Personally i think there are more "pschyo's" in the real world then online cos i've always been one to believe that most of the pyschos out there arent equipped to getting online, have the time, energy or money to worry about it.

so much EASIER to just go to a bar pick up some easy prey take her home rape her and dispose of her body then chat with her for weeks online.

but hey thats just me = )

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I didn't need all this stuff dating in vanilla, dating offline, I certainly don't need it now just because it's kinky.


But your dating ONLINE.. remember thats the scary part = ) Because offline people cant pretend they're something they arent or lie or cheat or whatever.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 7:19:08 PM   
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quote:

The BEST "bad" guys earn your trust first. = )


True... TRUST is the key.
But... why limit the debate around guys? No doubt there are people of opposite sex who may be on the same level of mind set. Not trying to present myself as a vulnerable poor pet, but in situation... doesn't make any difference if you are fem/male, Dom(me)/sub...

puppy pet

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 7:23:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: astralboy

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The BEST "bad" guys earn your trust first. = )


True... TRUST is the key.
But... why limit the debate around guys? No doubt there are people of opposite sex who may be on the same level of mind set. Not trying to present myself as a vulnerable poor pet, but in situation... doesn't make any difference if you are fem/male, Dom(me)/sub...

puppy pet



No trust isnt the key. The key is knowing who you are dealing with. Not "think" you know, but know. All this stuff.. its just a false sense of security. And if ppl believe it will "keep them safe" we're going to end up with ppl on here saying "Hey, i followed all the rules and i still ended up screwed.. what happened?" So we can then nit pick them apart and figure out what they did wrong. Which was to NOT use common sense. But then there are those out there where common sense doesnt even work. Heh = ) i could link anyone up with an old pal of mine where common sense would not save you. i have not seen one person NOT fall for this evil with no face who has not know the person longer then x amount of years. Yeah, i'd introduce him (as i'm sure he'd love it) but then i'd have to go about and rescue once again as i have done countless times before. <sigh> AND if he had just gone to jail for the 15 - 25 years like he was supposed too............ BUT no he managed to change his last name and did only a short 6 months. HA beware ppl cos he's out there and there are ppl out there like him, but better at what they do.

thats right evil comes in all shapes and sizes, genders, colours, sexual orientations. Evil hasnt a face. Didnt mean to pick on guys, sowwy = (

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 7:43:12 PM   
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This all sounds good in theory, but what exactly happens if your cell phone doesn't get reception and you can't call your friend exactly when you had planned? Or what happens if your friend misreads the time and frantically calls the cops? Or what happens if an otherwise perfectly trustworthy person doesn't feel comfortable giving you his license and SS number the first time he sees you? For that matter, what happens if you feel like staying longer than you had planned?

Yes, safety is important, but you're not in more danger meeting someone from the internet for the first time than you are meeting someone who responds to a classified ad, or a blind date, or someone new at a club. In fact, you're probably in less danger, since all the internet conversations you had with the person before you met him or her can be recorded and (usually) traced. Just meet at a public location and live your life normally.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 8:10:07 PM   
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quote:

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But your dating ONLINE.. remember thats the scary part = ) Because offline people cant pretend they're something they arent or lie or cheat or whatever.

But they really can't, at least not over long periods of time, not if you're smart and pay attention.

Most people are REALLY obvious at lying and keeping up with it and show their flaws quickly. Sure, offline and online there are players and pretty good liars and fakers, but I have found them to be a very small minority of the ones that are obvious about it quickly.

If you're worried, then don't date from offline. I guess I just don't get why people do these half measures of safety. If I don't trust someone to meet them as a responsible independent adult, I just WONT meet them.

Of course I've been told that it's just a matter of time, a matter of luck, a self-delusion brought about by naivete, youthful arrogance and lack of experience.

But if you knew my track record (which I elaborated on in the background check thread) I think I'd have to say my method's worked great for me. Has every person I've met offline been my prince charming and exactly who I had hoped they would be? No, I'm not THAT good. But they have never been dangerous, or abusive.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/16/2005 8:29:02 PM   
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NEVER give out your SSN to anyone for ID purposes. It should only be given to your employer, your financial institutions, and the IRS. No one else needs to know it or should be asking for it. It is not an everyday ID number like people are trying to turn it into.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/17/2005 2:30:26 AM   
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Greetings Mr Kite

Your words are good. Your warning excellent - but it must be noted that it wont work for all people.(Please note - I am not trying to rain on your parade - constructive critisim only)

There are people who are travelling across states and even countries sometimes, so in such cases - something appropriate must be decided on such occurances.

Also, you have spoken about 'Silent Alarm'... but have not explained specifically what it is and what it entails - so for a newbie reading this may not know what it is exactly - and also remembering that there are other names to describe it. Until there is a universal phrase, it might be as well to explain exactly what a 'Silent Alarm' is.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/17/2005 2:31:39 AM   
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quote:

i'm sorry and i may hijack your thread and put alittle rant out there, but i'm getting tired of people think that Evil has a face. That you can spot it. Like i'm sure in that other thread the lady could of done all of this and he still wrote bad checks and stuff like that.


Excellent point.


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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/17/2005 2:34:21 AM   
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quote:

True... TRUST is the key.


Sorry astral - really have to disagree.(Feels mean though)

Trust is an element but commen sense and awareness of your surroundings and the possibilites are the key. (in this specific situation - ie: first meets)

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/17/2005 2:37:57 AM   
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quote:

But your dating ONLINE.. remember thats the scary part = ) Because offline people cant pretend they're something they arent or lie or cheat or whatever.



I have to disagree - I think it is dangerous to think that people offline can't lie. I think that as much as evil doesn't have a specific face, that true evil knows how to cover its tracks. People lie in everyday life over and over - it happens... but the major thing is to be openly aware that anything is posssible and be aware of the 'escape' route.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/17/2005 4:35:36 AM   
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But she's right about one thing - in these days of rampant identity theft I would never expect someone to stand still while a stranger gives away their SSN and driver's license number (over a cell phone in a public place, no less!) Though I will require to see a driver's license to verify a name is correct.


I couldn't agree more. I had a submissive that was told by friends of hers that before she came here to meet with us that she should have a copy of our drivers licenses and ss#'s. I told her that maybe I should just send along our bank account numbers as well? I can't think of any reason to give out all of that info and I am extremely safety minded! What we did instead was give her the name of the BDSM support group we belong to here and the name of the group's moderator and told her to contact them, or, if she wasn't comfy with that, she knew our address, she could look up local munch groups (or in our case, biker groups) and tell them that she was planning on coming here for a visit and would appreciate someone checking us out for her. We gave her our phone numbers as well. When we had a kinky friend living here and she wanted to meet someone for the first time we told her that we were willing to go to the restaurant with her, sit at our own table, the man she was meeting didn't have to know she was with us, and we would be there for her. As far as I'm concerned, that's the best way. Take a friend with you. If the person you are meeting turns out to be great that's wonderful! And your friend has also had a nice night out. But if that person is someone that makes you feel concerned then you have a friend near by that knows you and will spot that "deer in the headlights" look and come to your rescue. A prearranged "story" would be handy, like a family emergency or whatever. Not to mention the fact that they will have a good, if not better, chance of describing the person you were with should anything happen to you. Plus, having a real person right there, close to you, will eliminate the "what if the cell phone doesn't get reception" as well as the fact that, like EmeraldSlave2 said, some people drive great distances to meet and having a friend with you means you don't have to do that drive alone.

Ok, I know what some will say, what if everything is perfect and you want to spend more time together then the original plan called for? Either plan for that possibility ahead of time, like getting two motel rooms rather then one, or decide up front that no matter what, you are going home with your friend as planned.

To me, nothing is as good as a reliable eye witness.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/17/2005 8:04:09 AM   
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This has to be one of the stupidest, convoluted and dangerous suggestions I've ever heard.

I suppose if there were a common breed of mad killer who can't wait for the second date to attack, and if cell phones always worked perfectly, this might have some sort of one-shot utility.

And we are gonna pass out SSN#'s? That's so stupid that I question Mr. Kite's judgment - here you are making a suggestion to keep people safe, and you are handing out advice like, "Give your SSN# out to strangers?"

There is no magic spell to make you safe - Lacie Peterson knew Scott's SSN and it didn't help her. If someone wants to stay safe, how about common sense, alertness, and a "take good care of yourself" attitude?

And you know what? I've never, ever, known or heard of a substantiated case of someone meeting from online that involved violence except two consensual ones - the Florida and German snuff cases - they wanted to die.

The real danger we face is being lied to or hurt emotionally by someone who is unethical.

There are no safe calls for ethics.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/17/2005 8:46:50 AM   
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Good ideas.

I also like bringing a friend to "sit in" on the meeting or at the next table.
Nice and safe.

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RE: How to have a safe 1st meeting - 5/17/2005 5:42:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Faramir

This has to be one of the stupidest, convoluted and dangerous suggestions I've ever heard.

I suppose if there were a common breed of mad killer who can't wait for the second date to attack, and if cell phones always worked perfectly, this might have some sort of one-shot utility.

And we are gonna pass out SSN#'s? That's so stupid that I question Mr. Kite's judgment - here you are making a suggestion to keep people safe, and you are handing out advice like, "Give your SSN# out to strangers?"

There is no magic spell to make you safe - Lacie Peterson knew Scott's SSN and it didn't help her. If someone wants to stay safe, how about common sense, alertness, and a "take good care of yourself" attitude?

And you know what? I've never, ever, known or heard of a substantiated case of someone meeting from online that involved violence except two consensual ones - the Florida and German snuff cases - they wanted to die.

The real danger we face is being lied to or hurt emotionally by someone who is unethical.

There are no safe calls for ethics.


Well, there was this one:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/john_robinson/index.html

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