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RE: about submission - 5/24/2007 7:26:42 AM

jauntyone

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ORIGINAL: Aiah

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No. I am submissive always, to all and everyone who I feel are superior to myself.

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ORIGINAL: jauntyone

Greetings

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Are you a submissive who only "feels" submissive when with your dominant?

No. I am submissive always, to all and everyone who I feel are superior to myself.

Is this something that you're comfortable with? Is it something intrinsic? Do you think that, were you to desire to change it (limit the submission only to say, a single dom or such) do you think you could?

Greetings aiah

Yes, it is something that I am very comfortable with. I was raised this way, and I see no reason to change it.
Yes, my submission is such a deep part of me that to take it away would be to rip a part of myself out.
Since I would never desire to change the way I am, your last question does not apply.

I wish you well

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RE: about submission - 5/24/2007 7:53:45 AM

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Are you a submissive who only "feels" submissive when with your dominant?
No

Are you a submissive who only "feels" submissive during play?
Nope i am awlyys submissive

Are a a submissive who "feels" like your dominant is in control no matter how far apart you are?
My Master is alway with me even if we are 1000 miles apart

If you live with your dominant, do you have to get into some headspace to “feel” submission?
Or does it naturally flow?
We don't live together

Is your relationship with your dominant more internal (residing in or dependent on essential nature; intrinsic) or external (relating to, existing on, or connected with the outside or an outer part)?
It is both

Does your submission exist independently of the mind?
Or in it intrinsically dependent upon your nature as a submissive?

How can it exist independently of the mind?

Matt's littleone

My motivation (since it has been questioned in the past) for this post lies in a discussion Sir and I had. I have few submissive friends to ask this of who I can trust with even knowing what I might possibly mean in asking these questions...so I bring them here.

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RE: about submission - 5/24/2007 8:31:11 AM

Aiah

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ORIGINAL: jauntyone

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ORIGINAL: Aiah

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No. I am submissive always, to all and everyone who I feel are superior to myself.

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ORIGINAL: jauntyone

Greetings

quote:

Are you a submissive who only "feels" submissive when with your dominant?

No. I am submissive always, to all and everyone who I feel are superior to myself.

Is this something that you're comfortable with? Is it something intrinsic? Do you think that, were you to desire to change it (limit the submission only to say, a single dom or such) do you think you could?

Greetings aiah

Yes, it is something that I am very comfortable with. I was raised this way, and I see no reason to change it.
Yes, my submission is such a deep part of me that to take it away would be to rip a part of myself out.
Since I would never desire to change the way I am, your last question does not apply.

I wish you well

melissa

Thank you so much for your reply. Your last statement speaks of complete self-acceptance, and I like that. Thank you.

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RE: about submission - 5/24/2007 10:29:31 AM

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For me, submission is a facet of my self or my personality; it is not how I identify as a whole to the entire world.

In other words, I don't go through my life being/ feeling submissive to all those who cross my path. But when someone does bring it the surface for me, it feels almost as if I don't get to chose whether or not I feel submissive to that person; it just is.

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RE: about submission - 5/24/2007 10:31:24 AM

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Are you a submissive who only "feels" submissive when with your dominant?
I don't *feel* submissive at all, much of the time. I do *feel* owned.

Are you a submissive who only "feels" submissive during play?
No.

Are a a submissive who "feels" like your dominant is in control no matter how far apart you are?
It wouldn't matter if I *felt* it or not; M still has the reins.

If you live with your dominant, do you have to get into some headspace to “feel” submission?
Or does it naturally flow?
I don't live with him but I'm not submissive by nature, I don't even TRY to *feel* it. He CAN however, make me feel that way anytime he chooses to. Submitting is something I *do* the majority of the time.

Is your relationship with your dominant more internal (residing in or dependent on essential nature; intrinsic) or external (relating to, existing on, or connected with the outside or an outer part)?
I'm conditioned to a large extent now. It can be difficult to know where that begins and ends.

Does your submission exist independently of the mind?
Or in it intrinsically dependent upon your nature as a submissive?
I don't need to *feel* submissive to submit to M. I'm owned by him and there are quite a few occasions when I just have to jolly well get on with it. No *feelings* change the fact. Lots of things would be easier if I *felt* submissive a lot more of the time. I respect him enormously and know that, like it or not, his prescriptions where I'm concerned, have always worked out for the best.

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RE: about submission - 5/24/2007 11:40:38 AM

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Greetings..~smiles~

Think in the law of the land sense: It is illegal to own another person. Any label can be attatched to that. The law does not support taking of persons against their will. The law does not support the buying or selling of persons. Any who do this are subject to penaltys of the law.

The laws use to support the owning of other human beings..thusly making it legal where ever that law was in place. People who fell into this were called many things from slave to chattel to property to servants to whatever. It wasn't the label that set them ..it was the law allowing the condition and enforcing the condition of ownership, and the penaltys and punishments fell on the owned..not the owner as long as the owner stayed within any by-laws of ownership of others.

Whats taken place is aspects of being legally owned and what did or didn't often happen to those persons are used at varying levels consentually to fulfill needs/s.
Doubtful that all who were legally owned under the law were treated the same, did the same, given or denied the same across the board. Doubtful that any who do consentually take aspects of legal ownership from All of history will be the same across the board.

Why we would want to do this? Who the heck knows.
Why do we need some aspects in our lives that were often seen when laws allowed for legal ownership of other humans? Who the heck knows.

Eventually though..just as a drug does..a person under the subjection of anothers will risks the chances of becoming unable to leave, and no restraints or fancy tatics are needed to keep them bound. Think the law regards it as brain washing.

So..did I consent to possibly being brain washed to the point of loosing this false shell that society says I should have in order to live the real me? Yep.

Well Wishes
starshine
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RE: about submission - 5/24/2007 12:37:27 PM

jauntyone

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Greetings aiah

you are most welcome

I wish you well

melissa

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RE: about submission - 5/24/2007 4:51:17 PM

catize

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In daily existence, I am autonomous and assertive. I make and carry out my own decisions, I take control of situations when no one else will.
I ‘submit’ to authority (the law, my supervisor at work) but I don’t “feel” submissive to those authorities; it is simply the best way to stay out of jail or get my paycheck.
When there is a dominant in my life to whom I have given full authority it evokes feelings of joy and satisfaction. I take pride in fulfilling my responsibilities to him. I enjoy the occasional inner struggle because I see it as a learning experience and it helps me understand what it is exactly that I have agreed to.
Even when that moment of recognition is very scary, I know submitting to his will is what I crave and need.
As far as I’m concerned it is a holistic dynamic.

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RE: about submission - 5/24/2007 6:42:32 PM

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It depends. Out of the relationship I certainly wouldn't feel submissive. I don't feel particularly submissive while doing laundry, it's just a chore that needs doing.

One thing I do know is that I need the headspace reinforced periodically. If he's not paying me any attention for a month at a time I will feel less submissive. I seem to need some play no less than every three weeks or I start getting bitchy. If it's a week when we're playing every morning I'm likely to be more affectionate, more rubbing up against him, more needy of his attention. I don't get my physical needs met and my emotions do go downhill.

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RE: about submission - 5/25/2007 8:12:52 PM

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It depends on the submissive, really. It isn't ever the same from one subbie to the next.

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RE: about submission - 5/26/2007 7:36:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: shyinini
Are you a submissive who only "feels" submissive when with your dominant?
Are you a submissive who only "feels" submissive during play?
Are a a submissive who "feels" like your dominant is in control no matter how far apart you are?
If you live with your dominant, do you have to get into some headspace to “feel” submission?
Or does it naturally flow?
i "feel" and am submissive to Master when W/we are together, when W/we are apart, and when W/we are and are not "playing." i don't have to be in any certain "headspace," i simply ALWAYS feel and am submissive to Him and His desires. It definitely very naturally flows, as you say.

i don't feel submissive to anyone else but Him and He does not expect me to. He has made it clear that He doesn't wish to see me "figuratively prostrate myself before the world," submitting and deferring to everyone around me who identifies as "dominant" or "superior" to me. In His eyes, no one but Him IS dominant over or superior to His slave. My submission is very natural and very focused-all toward Master.....slave luci

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RE: about submission - 5/26/2007 3:06:07 PM

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The only thing I would like to add is that before this relationship there were times when I felt submissive but I certainly did not express those feelings through my actions. I can feel angry without screaming and cursing, I can also control the way other emotions are expressed.

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