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Vendaval -> "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 6:50:26 PM)
(click on the link at the bottom for the full article) "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" by Richard Lardner 1 hour, 47 minutes ago " WASHINGTON - The system for delivering badly needed gear to Marines in Iraq has failed to meet many urgent requests for equipment from troops in the field, according to an internal document obtained by The Associated Press. Of more than 100 requests from deployed Marine units between February 2006 and February 2007, less than 10 percent have been fulfilled, the document says. It blamed the bureaucracy and a "risk-averse" approach by acquisition officials. Among the items held up were a mine resistant vehicle and a hand-held laser system. "Process worship cripples operating forces," according to the document. "Civilian middle management lacks technical and operational currency." The 32-page document — labeled "For Official Use Only" — was prepared by the staff of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force after they returned from Iraq in February. The document was to be presented in March to senior officials in the Pentagon's defense research and engineering office. The presentation was canceled by Marine Corps leaders because its contents were deemed too contentious, according to a defense official familiar with the document. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss it publicly. The document's claims run counter to the public description of a process intended to cut through the layers of red tape that frequently slow the military's procurement process. The Marine Corps had no immediate comment on the document. " http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070524/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/marines_critical_gear;_ylt=AgK0O03K0L20sfTis_8YH5iMwfIE

dcnovice -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 7:30:51 PM)
Unbelievable. Surely our troops deserve better than this.

Sanity -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 7:38:56 PM)
[sm=banana.gif] Huge, inefficient government bureaucracy - just the thing to manage our nations' health care.

dcnovice -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 7:43:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity [sm=banana.gif] Oh my.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 7:51:34 PM)
This is nothing new. This has happened to Marine untits since Nov 10, 1775 when Samuel Nicholas founded them. Want an example? FDR after provoking the Japs into war had the Marine Corps storm Guadalcanal with a bolt action M1903 Springfield Rifles When I was in, during the mid 1980's our gas masks were from the early 60's and that was some of our newer equipment..

Faramir -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 7:53:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy This is nothing new. This has happened to Marine untits since Nov 10, 1775 when Samuel Nicholas founded them. Want an example? FDR after provoking the Japs into war had the Marine Corps storm Guadalcanal with a bolt action M1903 Springfield Rifles When I was in, during the mid 1980's our gas masks were from the early 60's and that was some of our newer equipment.. I can't belive you just wrote "Japs."

FatDomDaddy -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 7:53:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Unbelievable. Surely our troops deserve better than this. Quite a few Democrat Congressman disagree with you novice

dcnovice -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 7:55:38 PM)
<never mind>

BabyNyla -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 7:56:42 PM)
My hubby is in Iraq and they can't even get deodorant ... let alone firing glasses, rifle pins and other important things ... this story is not news ... nor is it shocking ... I support my husband and other soldiers ... but not the goverment ... it's so unorganized it's ridiculous. Normal people are always shocked to discover these things ... I think Hollywood glamorizes the military and the goverment and people think it's so structured and organized rolls eyes

dcnovice -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 7:57:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Unbelievable. Surely our troops deserve better than this. Quite a few Democrat Congressman disagree with you novice Yeah, I saw them all on C-SPAN, arguing for the Republican-controlled Pentagon to take even longer getting gear to the field.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 8:02:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Faramir I can't belive you just wrote "Japs." Why? That's what Roosevelt called them. We fought the Japs in WWII. Ya know... the Brits were once our mortal enemy yet its ok to say Brits.

TheHeretic -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 8:03:48 PM)
And instead of dealing with the problems (or at least trying to develop a less imperfect system), it gets swept under the rug so it won't lead to more partisan attacks. Such bullshit. We sat down last weekend and watched a DVD of "Truman," starring Gary Sinise. One scene, while Harry was still in the Senate, showed a general telling him that his committee investigations of fraud and crap material being sold to the government was worth ten divisions. Maybe if so many weren't obsessed with turning everything that doesn't work into an attack on the administration, shit like this could get fixed. (Please don't take this as an attack on the OP, or to any of the posters above, I'm just venting on partisanship and its negative impact in general.)

Sanity -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 8:08:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity [sm=banana.gif] Oh my. Not everyone can pull off the "dancing banana" post quite the way I do.

dcnovice -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 8:09:02 PM)
quote: I'm just venting on partisanship and its negative impact in general. I agree that the yearning to score partisan points, a temptation to which I confess I am not entirely immune, does often impede the good of the country.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 8:11:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Maybe if so many weren't obsessed with turning everything that doesn't work into an attack on the administration, shit like this could get fixed. Except, this has happened in every war the US has ever fought regardless of the administration. As well as every war England has ever fought as well as the wars fought by France, Germany, Austria, Spain, Russia, The Ottoman Empire, The Papal States, Rome, Athens, Sparta, Persia, Assyria, Babylon, Israel, Egypt ....................... (edited because dcnovice didn't understand)

Sinergy -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 8:15:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Maybe if so many weren't obsessed with turning everything that doesn't work into an attack on the administration, shit like this could get fixed. Except, this has happened in every war the US has ever fought regardless of the administration. As well as every war England has ever fought, France, Germany, Austria, Spain, Russia, The Ottoman Empire, The Papal States, Rome, Athens, Sparta, Persia, Assyria, Babylon, Israel, Egypt............................................... Are you suggesting the United States fought the Papal States, Rome, Athens, Sparta, Persia, Assyria, Babylon, Egypt? Which President was it that declared war against Hammurabai? Sinergy

farglebargle -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 8:22:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Unbelievable. Surely our troops deserve better than this. Quite a few Democrat Congressman disagree with you novice Yeah, they want to fund them, and provide for them to be properly trained and rested, and want to hold the Iraqis accountable for getting their shit together. Yeah, that's not treating the troops right. Put down the crack-pipe and step away slowly. Every day you don't bring the troops home, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR DEATHS. Have a nice night.

TheHeretic -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 8:22:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice I agree that the yearning to score partisan points, a temptation to which I confess I am not entirely immune, does often impede the good of the country. If it's an illness, they can put us on the same ward, DC, and if it's a crime, they can hang us from the same tree. Tell you what, I'll tell the religious right to shut the fuck up and keep their religion out of your life if you tell the radical left to quit putting the good of "the cause" above the good of the country.

farglebargle -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 8:24:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BabyNyla My hubby is in Iraq and they can't even get deodorant ... let alone firing glasses, rifle pins and other important things ... this story is not news ... nor is it shocking ... I support my husband and other soldiers ... but not the goverment ... it's so unorganized it's ridiculous. Normal people are always shocked to discover these things ... I think Hollywood glamorizes the military and the goverment and people think it's so structured and organized rolls eyes As long as the Senator from Blackwater sees to it that their mercenaries get paid FIRST, they don't give a shit.

dcnovice -> RE: "AP: Marines fail to get gear to troops" (5/24/2007 8:25:30 PM)
quote: Tell you what, I'll tell the religious right to shut the fuck up and keep their religion out of your life if you tell the radical left to quit putting the good of "the cause" above the good of the country. Deal.

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