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gypsygrl -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 7:42:25 AM)

I was involved with someone for a little while who had 'protect the property' as one of his rules.  For me, it was a real eye opener because I had never even conceptualized myself as worth protecting particularly in the context of a relationship.  So, for me at least, even though our involvment was short lived, I learned something important from it.




Wildfleurs -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 7:56:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass

I have heard this from a couple of different sources and interested in opinion in light of some other threads (limits and such.)

"The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me."

Not my words, but I agree to some extent with them. Thoughts?


I think its a silly rule, truth be told.  I think the number one rule for my owner would prolly be to do what he says.

I have read the first page of responses so far and it doesn't surprise me that it comes from Slavecraft, which is in my estimation a horrible book.  I bought it a few years ago after hearing about how so wonderful the book was and I could barely get through the first chapter.  It reminded me to much of the (dorky) navel gazing theoretical based discussions of largely non-long term relationships/single people I saw at a Mast meeting.  Blech!

C~

Edited to add: I think its silly because if I had to have a rule of protecting myself from my owner, then he definitely does not need to be my owner.




thetammyjo -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 8:08:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass

I have heard this from a couple of different sources and interested in opinion in light of some other threads (limits and such.)

"The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me."

Not my words, but I agree to some extent with them. Thoughts?


I think I understand the purpose behind this.

It isn't a lack of trust but an understanding that dominants are just people and there are times when we may get angry, may get intense and may want to do or say these that are harmful. I think it's supposed to encourage the slave to remember that he has a responsibility to himself but tries to overcome that "slaves don't make decisions" (BS) idea or "slaves must always be obedient" idea.

I wouldn't word it that way myself.

The way I explained a similar philosophy to Fox was that I cannot possibly know what is going on in his mind or body at all times and therefore I need him to inform me. Luckily (or not) when I get too intense or upset I tend to turn on myself so he isn't in danger but he does know that part of his duty is to call my attention to any self-harm behavior (can't remember the last time that happened).




lacenleathergirl -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 8:18:20 AM)

Well, in my humble opinion, simply because I exchange my power with my partner does not mean that I abdicate all responsibility for myself.  I think that any responsibile Dominant would want a submissive who cares for her/himself both mentally and physically.  It is my responsibility to bring a "whole person" to the relationship.

lace




charismagirrl -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 8:35:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

i don't see slavery as a fantasy whatsoever.  i just see folks try to argue it by saying what if a Master basically is a lunatic.  Well hopefully a slave won't be owned by someone like that and if she is would ask for a release.  i understand what You say Jeff about self preservation but then isn't the dynamic a sub/Master and not a slave/Master?  i thought when a person is a slave then she relinqueshes all rights to her Master.  With that said then it should be about the Master to make sure about her preservation.  i thought a slave's only responsibility was to please her Master now with statements like that to me it is quantifying it into a sub relationship.  It seems both Masters and subs trying to play both sides of the fence.  There have to be some absolutes.

minnetar



minnetar,

i have been reading through this thread, and haven't read all of it yet, but in case your question wasn't answered fully enough i thought i'd give it a shot...

As a slave my job is to OBEY and PLEASE my Master/Daddy........and we do hold similar beliefs and our limits are the same.......that all being said.....IF he were to SOMEHOW end up going nuts out of the blue....suddenly turning to drugs or alcohol....something totally against his personality as i know him.........or if he were put on meds by a doctor that had a bad reaction and SUDDENLY he decided..."Ya know what, i think it would be fun to really hurt her." (read: abuse her) Then those are examples as i see it for "protect the property"

Of course protecting his property on a daily basis from the rest of the world and myself are also in with that "protect the property" line of thinking.....Don't walk in traffic, be cautious of my being, make sure i eat some food...LOL stuff like that.

cherry




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 8:41:14 AM)

The way the rule is worded simply perpetuates the notion that doms are all nasty horrible monsters barely kept in check by an elaborate system of checks and rules and safewords and such.

If I SERIOUSLY felt that at any point in my life I'd need to protect myself from my owner, I really wouldn't be involved with them to begin with.  So, for people who have those rules, it tends to be more a romantic fantasy thing to say rather than something they actually think is what's needed.

Now, if you change the wording a bit to something like "As my property, I charge you with protecting yourself and making sure you do the things necessary to continue living as healthy a life as possible" then it becomes a more generalized statement of well being.  This makes perfect sense as some slaves will NOT protect themselves even when it's basic things such as paying bills or going to regular doctor visits and such.  This becomes a practical law of living, not an escape clause from the dominant's stupidity/danger.




daddysprop247 -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 9:00:48 AM)

this is a concept i've heard before and i realize that quite a few Masters have this "edict" in place for their slaves. however my Master taught and trained me with a completely contradictory philosophy. i would have to agree most with minnetar's comments: i understand what You say Jeff about self preservation but then isn't the dynamic a sub/Master and not a slave/Master?  i thought when a person is a slave then she relinqueshes all rights to her Master.  With that said then it should be about the Master to make sure about her preservation.  i thought a slave's only responsibility was to please her Master now with statements like that to me it is quantifying it into a sub relationship.

as a slave "self preservation" is no longer an acceptable thought process. my top priority is serving and pleasing my Master...any concern or focus on damage or harm to self, or even basic self-maintenance or protecting self from others, rests solely with my Master. as he taught me early on, it is his place to protect me....from myself, from others, from him...not my own. He does not find the dichotomy (that i realize many other Masters find desireable) of strong, independent, taking care of self on the one hand and bowing down to him on the other, appealing in the least. He wants me to remain in a consistent state of submission, selflessness, obedience.




slaveluci -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 9:31:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247
as a slave "self preservation" is no longer an acceptable thought process. my top priority is serving and pleasing my Master...any concern or focus on damage or harm to self, or even basic self-maintenance or protecting self from others, rests solely with my Master. as he taught me early on, it is his place to protect me....from myself, from others, from him...not my own. He does not find the dichotomy (that i realize many other Masters find desireable) of strong, independent, taking care of self on the one hand and bowing down to him on the other, appealing in the least. He wants me to remain in a consistent state of submission, selflessness, obedience
My top priority, too, is serving and pleasing my Master.  It pleases my Master greatly to know that His slave - His most precious, prized possession - is well-taken care of.  It is absolutely Master's place to protect me but He works, as do i, and He cannot be by my side 24/7 to insure that i am safe, protected, healthy, etc.  He rests assured that when He is not present, i have the ability and presence of mind and sense to take care of the property that He values most - me. 
 
The things that come to mind are things like: driving the speed limit and following all traffic laws including wearing my seat belt, making sure i take my daily medications, eating healthily and often enough (as i'm diabetic), etc.  He wants to be able to be at work and know things like this are being taken care of without Him standing over me watching to insure it.  Self-maintenance and protecting myself from damage or harm from anything and anyone IS part of what He requires as good service to Him.  i am to protect and take good care of myself as if i were protecting and caring for Him.  i am simply an extension of Him and He certainly wouldn't do anything foolish or dangerous to harm Himself so why would He allow me to be careless and non-vigilant with my body which is His valued and cherished property?
 
Another aspect i think of concerns my emotional health.  If there is something that is disturbing or troubling me, He expects to know it.  He asserts His absolute right to know my thoughts and feelings at any given time.  He says He is incapable of helping me through something if He is kept in the dark about it.  Recently there was something troubling on my mind and, in my slave mind, i felt it would be better to try to get over it without troubling Him with it.  My anxieties eventually came out in the form of a bad dream and i woke up noticably shaken by it.  At that point, i told all and He was disappointed that i had not told Him of my concerns initially.  He helped me through my worries and W/we ended up laughing and i felt 1000% better.  He told me that keeping what i think are negative topics/worries from Him is not healthy and it's totally unacceptable.  He understands that i'm trying to keep problems from Him and He understands the reasoning but, frankly, it's not my place to decide what to tell Him and what not to.  So....there is an instance in which He is not able to protect me from myself.  i have to be willing to bring it to Him when issues arise that can be potentially harmful or damaging to me psychologically or emotionally.  He's close to perfect  but He is not a mind-reader.
 
i, too, am in a consistent state of submission, selflessness, and obedience....to HIM, not to the world at large.  It's consistent in that it happens always with Him.  It's not constant in that i don't submit and obey anyone but Him per His orders.  i am strong, independent and perfectly capable of taking care of myself.  i did before i met Master and, God forbid, something should ever take Him from me, i will again.  i can do that AND "bow down to Him" as well.  He has always treasured that idea.  i don't need Him to take care of me because i'm incapable.  i want to submit totally to Him and put His will above mine and i do. 
 
Your master doesn't find it at all pleasing for you to be capable of handling yourself outside of His control and my Master doesn't find it all pleasing for me to NOT do so.  Once again, our vast differences are evident.  However, in the end, i think we both agree that the number one rule of slavery is to serve and please our masters.  You say that, for you, self-preservation is no longer an acceptable thought process.  i'm not sure i would say "self" preservation, for me, is either.  It's preserving Master's property that is important, not preserving "self."  Wow, something we may actually agree on[;)].......slave luci




petal7 -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 9:42:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass

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"The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me."


Master tells me on a regular basis that i am to take care of His property, that i am not to do anything that could harm His property.  He decides what pleasure and pain i experience.  So that part, I agree with.  However, protect myself from HIM?  The day i need to protect myself from HIM is the day He'll walk anyway so it's not an issue.  If a dom has to rely on his/her submissive (caps eliminated intentionally) to protect herself/himself then he/she is not much of a dominant to begin with.  They're just bullies at that point.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 9:46:58 AM)

Threads like this one are great because a lot of females reply and I get to lech all over their profiles.




daddysprop247 -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 10:26:25 AM)

 
hi slaveluci...you are absolutely correct in that serving and pleasing our Masters is (or certainly should be) a slave's top priority. if a Master requires/demands his slave take care of self (thereby taking care of what is his), then that is what that slave should do. but books and websites like this "Slavecraft" make the dangerous mistake of implying that self-preservation (or we could call it "property preservation" if you like) is a quality that all Masters wish to nurture or encourage in their slaves, and that is just not true.

it does seem to be true that a great deal, and perhaps even most Masters want and need that dichotomy in a slave: obedient and subservient to them, capable and independent with in the world at large. the last thing they want is a slave who can't function without them, or who can't take care of themselves in the big bad world. this just makes me all the more grateful for being discovered by a Master who was different from the norm, and most desired the sort of slave i could be.

this does not mean that he is standing over me every moment, watching out for me or ensuring that i behave. He trusts, and more importantly, expects me to follow his rules and follow the routine he has in place for me. His expectactions include my remaining in a consistent submissive state. for him it's very unsettling to see a slave being the perfect, humble obedient servant before her Master, then turn around and be assertive with someone else. He made it clear from the very beginning that he would NOT accept such behavior from any property of his. i remember getting in trouble once for telling a man who wanted something of me that i did not think was appropriate, "i can't." while my Master did not particularly want me to do anything for this particular man, he wanted less a slave who would refuse or stand up to a man. so because he has such expectations, he has created an environment which will allow him to be most pleased, without having a slave mauled by the world at large. so i do not drive or work outside of the home, i do not leave the house alone, i do not even answer the door or the telephone without permission. when business takes him out of town for more than a day and for whatever reason i cannot accompany him, he leaves me with a "Sitter"...a trusted Dominant who will watch over me and also ensure that i don't lose the service headspace. these things are in place in large part to protect his property, rather than having property capable of protecting itself, or conditioning property to do such.

you mentioned something i think is really important, and overlooked by some...emotional and mental well-being. you're right, Masters are not mind-readers. this is why communication is so important. every dynamic has a different way of handling the "free speech" issue, in ours i am only to share innermost thoughts, feelings, etc. when directly asked, which is something he makes a point of doing on a regular basis. at this time i am to let him know eeeeeeverything that is going on in that mixed up noggin of mind, so he can decide how to handle things from that point forward. for most of my life, i've struggled with major depression. for many years, including the first 2 yrs of my slavery, a bi-product of that was self-injury. i would get into these deep depressive states where i was barely aware of the world around me, chant and mumble to myself in a daze for hours, all the while beating my head against the wall or raking my fingernails over my skin from toe to hip. gave myself a few concussions, and still have plenty of ugly deep scars all over my legs. and we won't even get into the suicide attempts. this is where the issue of being protected from oneself comes in....He eventually got it through to me that my body was not my own to destroy, that my life was not my own to take. that to do so was a spit in the face to him, and a subconsious attempt to be my own Master. whoa. that really made me think. so i just let it go...opened my hands and said, "it's yours"...so now it's all on his shoulders, as it should be. now when i get the urge to SI i go to him, tell him, and he decides what to do. maybe he will beat me himself, maybe he'll simply ignore me, or tell me to take a nap. and whatever he decides i can accept without frustration, because this body i'm walking around with and this air i'm breathing is all because of him, after all. it's no longer my business what happens to it.







slaveluci -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 10:58:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247
hi slaveluci...you are absolutely correct in that serving and pleasing our Masters is (or certainly should be) a slave's top priority. if a Master requires/demands his slave take care of self (thereby taking care of what is his), then that is what that slave should do. but books and websites like this "Slavecraft" make the dangerous mistake of implying that self-preservation (or we could call it "property preservation" if you like) is a quality that all Masters wish to nurture or encourage in their slaves, and that is just not true.
i have never heard of "Slavecraft" until this thread but, as you said, anytime any attempt is made to state that ALL masters wish to do/encourage anything i have to shake my head.  All masters don't agree on anything, obviously. 

it does seem to be true that a great deal, and perhaps even most Masters want and need that dichotomy in a slave: obedient and subservient to them, capable and independent with in the world at large. the last thing they want is a slave who can't function without them, or who can't take care of themselves in the big bad world. this just makes me all the more grateful for being discovered by a Master who was different from the norm, and most desired the sort of slave i could be.
With all due respect, may i ask why your master wants you to not be able to function or take care of yourself out in the world?  And, a second question:  unless you went straight from childhood to your master, didn't you learn skills that would enable you to function well in the everyday "outside" world?  You're obviously literate, educated, able to type....wouldn't those skills enable you to work if necessary?  i know you have made previous mention of some sort of arrangement that's in place should something happen to end your M/s dynamic.  Maybe there would simply never be any need for you to have to go out and work? 

this does not mean that he is standing over me every moment, watching out for me or ensuring that i behave. He trusts, and more importantly, expects me to follow his rules and follow the routine he has in place for me.
Yes, i understand.  i didn't mean to imply otherwise.  My point was that, when my Master can't be physically present, He leaves it to me to take care of His property by eating properly, taking meds, driving safely, avoiding dangerous situations, etc.  All that in addition to following His rules and the routines He has instituted. 

His expectactions include my remaining in a consistent submissive state. for him it's very unsettling to see a slave being the perfect, humble obedient servant before her Master, then turn around and be assertive with someone else. He made it clear from the very beginning that he would NOT accept such behavior from any property of his.
That's interesting because, for my Master, it is totally the opposite.  To Him, if i am going to be submissive and obedient to every man around me, that diminishes His status as Master.  If every man is basically my master (since i'd be obeying and serving them), how does that make Him any different from any man that walks by and wishes to grope me?  His attitude about that is that i am His and His only.  He wishes that no other man should touch or use me.  If i were to be available for such activity, that would mean He would reduced to simply being another man i am to please.  i am HIS perfect, humble, obedient servant, as you said, not anyone else's.  He expects and, frankly, demands that i be assertive with everyone else.  Not aggressive, but assertive.  Big difference!  He will accept no less.  That just goes to show the vast differences between what different Master's expect as good service from their slaves[;)].
 
i do have one question though:  you are very assertive here on these forums as far as stating your feelings/beliefs about your dynamic and about others' opinions when they differ from yours.  Does your master not see this as being a problem?  You mention below that your master wouldn't want a slave "who would refuse or stand up to a man."  Does he permit you to stand up for your beliefs on these forums but just not in face-to-face interaction?  Or is it only acceptable to assert yourself on here with other female subs/slaves?  Just curious.   

i remember getting in trouble once for telling a man who wanted something of me that i did not think was appropriate, "i can't." while my Master did not particularly want me to do anything for this particular man, he wanted less a slave who would refuse or stand up to a man. so because he has such expectations, he has created an environment which will allow him to be most pleased, without having a slave mauled by the world at large
i like that last statement about being "mauled by the world at large."[:)]  That could certainly happen if you weren't permitted to stand up for or protect yourself against someone with less than honorable intentions. 

for most of my life, i've struggled with major depression. for many years, including the first 2 yrs of my slavery, a bi-product of that was self-injury. i would get into these deep depressive states where i was barely aware of the world around me, chant and mumble to myself in a daze for hours, all the while beating my head against the wall or raking my fingernails over my skin from toe to hip. gave myself a few concussions, and still have plenty of ugly deep scars all over my legs. and we won't even get into the suicide attempts. this is where the issue of being protected from oneself comes in....
Yes, i certainly see where it would.  i'm sorry to hear about the depression and self-injury. 
 
He eventually got it through to me that my body was not my own to destroy, that my life was not my own to take. that to do so was a spit in the face to him, and a subconsious attempt to be my own Master. whoa. that really made me think. so i just let it go...opened my hands and said, "it's yours"...so now it's all on his shoulders, as it should be. now when i get the urge to SI i go to him, tell him, and he decides what to do
It's great that he was able to get that point across to you.  If you won't protect yourself FOR yourself, then protect his property for HIM.  Good way of getting you to see things. 
 
maybe he will beat me himself, maybe he'll simply ignore me, or tell me to take a nap. and whatever he decides i can accept without frustration, because this body i'm walking around with and this air i'm breathing is all because of him, after all. it's no longer my business what happens to it
As long as he can be trusted to take care of his property, then you can rest assured that he will.  i think i have gained a little bit of insight into why your particular dynamic may work so well for you.  Seems like you really needed someone to take control and help you through some of the issues you had.  i'm glad you've found peace and contentment within the arrangement that works best for you......slave luci 




sublizzie -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 11:05:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveluci
i have never heard of "Slavecraft" until this thread but, as you said, anytime any attempt is made to state that ALL masters wish to do/encourage anything i have to shake my head.  All masters don't agree on anything, obviously. 


If I could just insert something here. I am currently reading "Slave Craft" and it very specifically states that what is said is particular to that relationship and not all Masters and slaves. What is in the book is something to consider and learn from, whether it's agreement or not.

Just my thoughts.....




slaveluci -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 11:20:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sublizzie
If I could just insert something here. I am currently reading "Slave Craft" and it very specifically states that what is said is particular to that relationship and not all Masters and slaves. What is in the book is something to consider and learn from, whether it's agreement or not.
Just my thoughts.....
OK.....as i said, i have not read it or even heard of it until daddysprop mentioned it.  She is the one who said it generalized, not me[:)].  Once again, i guess it's all in one's perception.  Thanks for the input......slave luci




AquaticSub -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 11:40:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: earthycouple

quote:

ORIGINAL: Valyraen

Aqua has a standing rule from me, a rule that I've impressed time and time again as pre-empting any and all other instruction that I give her: if she's in a situation that could put her in physical, emotional, or psychological danger, she is required to do what's necessary to get herself out of that situation.

...not really sure what I'm responding to with that little tidbit... I just felt the need to put it up here.


I am willing to bet all of my Gor beliefs (bit of a joke there) that Aqua was doing that long before the two of you met.




Yes, I was. But it's still useful all the same. I may put up with something because sometimes I am a doormat. I don't like it but sometimes, for some people, I just am. This order helps to prevent that.




AquaticSub -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 11:42:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

this is a concept i've heard before and i realize that quite a few Masters have this "edict" in place for their slaves. however my Master taught and trained me with a completely contradictory philosophy. i would have to agree most with minnetar's comments: i understand what You say Jeff about self preservation but then isn't the dynamic a sub/Master and not a slave/Master?  i thought when a person is a slave then she relinqueshes all rights to her Master.  With that said then it should be about the Master to make sure about her preservation.  i thought a slave's only responsibility was to please her Master now with statements like that to me it is quantifying it into a sub relationship.

as a slave "self preservation" is no longer an acceptable thought process. my top priority is serving and pleasing my Master...any concern or focus on damage or harm to self, or even basic self-maintenance or protecting self from others, rests solely with my Master. as he taught me early on, it is his place to protect me....from myself, from others, from him...not my own. He does not find the dichotomy (that i realize many other Masters find desireable) of strong, independent, taking care of self on the one hand and bowing down to him on the other, appealing in the least. He wants me to remain in a consistent state of submission, selflessness, obedience.


It's a bit like having a horse. Would you rather your expensive, time-consuming investment stand in a barn on fire and burn to death or find it's way out?




HybridBunny -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 11:44:16 AM)

Balance.




jauntyone -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 12:07:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass

I have heard this from a couple of different sources and interested in opinion in light of some other threads (limits and such.)

"The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me."

Not my words, but I agree to some extent with them. Thoughts?

Greetings
 
I agree with them, and so does Master; though our agreement is not  worded in such a way. I have two rules that are constant; absolute obedience and beauty. Worded into the rule of absolute obedience is a certain clause which states that at any time I feel in fear for my life, I am to do everything within my power to survive. This rule applies to all and any situations; and to all and any persons.
 
I wish you well
 
melissa




Kidsphoenixx -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 12:09:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HybridBunny

Balance.

Yes,and that almost extinct beast,Common Sense.




welshwmn3 -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 1:03:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BrutalMasterOne

A good rule, BUT it cannot be, I would never accept it as such, be the number ONE rule. In fact aren't the rules of slavery supposed to be something like this:
  1. The Master is always right.
  2. When in doubt see rule #1.


If you think I am serious... well?


The one I was taught is:
1.  The Master/Dominant is always right.
2.  When the Master/Dominant is wrong, see rule number one.

One of my Doms does give me the option of choosing rule number two.  [:D]  He doesn't care HOW I come to the realization that he's right, just that I do! [;)]




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