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Suleiman -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 1:37:39 PM)
By Orcus' Knobbly Unibrow - after all these posts, nobody has said it yet! THE NUMBER ONE RULE OF SLAVERY IS... WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT SLAVERY!!! THE NUMBER TWO RULE OF SLAVERY IS... WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT SLAVERY!!! C'mon. I can't be the only one thinking it...

adoracat -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 1:44:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Suleiman By Orcus' Knobbly Unibrow - after all these posts, nobody has said it yet! THE NUMBER ONE RULE OF SLAVERY IS... WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT SLAVERY!!! THE NUMBER TWO RULE OF SLAVERY IS... WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT SLAVERY!!! C'mon. I can't be the only one thinking it... i thought it but i didnt want to cause a fight..... kitten, fleeing giggling

robertolapiedra -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 2:18:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass "The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me." Not my words, but I agree to some extent with them. Thoughts? Hello DominaSmart. Thoughts? A simple abdication of a dom's responsibility to self-discipline and leadership? If you want D/s, (any flavor of D/s) either you do, or you don't. I'ts a cop out? The dom's not responsible for 'his' mistakes and it's the sub's fault for not protecting his/herself from the dom's mistakes, misjudgements or lack of selfcontrol? Let's see...you have the SSC principles as guidelines for 'both', preset soft and hardlimits, laws of the land and 'normally', common sense adaptations to context (no surprises). 'Everything' is agreed upon for a 'custom fit' D/s relationship. After this? You say 'rule' number one is what? Protect "my" property from myself? This smells of sophism and I expect it not to be directed at the sub's ability to protect "property" from his/her owner... If your sub tells 'you' her safe word in any situation, or just plain "stop it", she is applying a principle which was agreed upon "before" she became 'your' sub (slave). I find it suspect, that a dom would find it 'necessary' to reinforce this with a "rule number one" that simply states that you are allowed to be 'disobedient' if he is harming you. I find this to be a very convenient 'tool' for mind fucking a slave into thinking that "every aspect" concerning his/her limits is his/her 100% responsibility ( if you are harmed it is your fault as you are "responsible"). That is not following SSC principles. BOTH are responsible and everyone knows this. In my case?...rule number one: RESPECT (Respect mind, body and soul). This rule applies to the relationship and there are no other rules (except plain functional day to day 'house rules'). It "implies" these values: Honesty, focus and coherence. Now, I don't see the point in giving you "MY" preset permission to "disobey me" if "I" am hurting you. That is why I find this to be at the least "suspect" if one find's this in a D/s relationship. In my personal opinion, this "rule number one" is BS (or ulterior motivated "intent" of coping out of one's 'accountability' in the relationship). Unless? What was meant was: "if you do not use your safe word you will be punished?" But that's another thing... When the dom says he will protect you from "everything" from the "outside", where the hell does he reside? He resides on the "OUTSIDE", hence the sophism I find in this "number one rule" and for me, it smacks of false motivation (bull shit). RL.

thetammyjo -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 5:55:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sublizzie quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci i have never heard of "Slavecraft" until this thread but, as you said, anytime any attempt is made to state that ALL masters wish to do/encourage anything i have to shake my head. All masters don't agree on anything, obviously. If I could just insert something here. I am currently reading "Slave Craft" and it very specifically states that what is said is particular to that relationship and not all Masters and slaves. What is in the book is something to consider and learn from, whether it's agreement or not. Just my thoughts..... Well stated. It's been a few years since I read this book and while I had some problems with it I did appreciate the message that if you want to be a slave you have to work at it because it is very unlikely to just happen to you. Even once you are owned you are not being realistic to expect your owner to be there with you 24/7 telling you what to do, what to feel, and how to think every second. You have to take responsibility for learning their rules, learning what fuels your submission and making yourself do it even when you don't feel like it. It many ways the book is part empowerment for slaves and reinforcement of a slave's focus on the owner. I'm sure some people may think these are contradictory in nature but I think they actually fit well together or at least all of the slaves I have known in meatlife and respected were a wonderful balance of self and selflessness.

DominaSmartass -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 6:12:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JpnsTigerrrlily A lot of people drink and drive, a lot of people speed, tailgate, etc. We're all human, we all make mistakes and I think the line "you are responsible for protecting yourself from me." is there to kind of cover the "human factor". Where if the dominant is simply being human and starts to or is doing something stupid/potentially dangerous, it's also the sub's responsibility to call them on it/stop whatever is going on etc. Just my thoughts on the subject. Precisely. Those are good examples. To Minnetar, I'm glad my response helped, and I don't think you should be worries about being "disrespectful" because when it really comes down to it, if you are being treated badly and not standing up for yourself in a relationship and not taking care of yourself if/when there is a point that your master stops doing so, then really, what does it matter in the scheme of things if you disrespect him? And to JpnsTigerrlilly, the best example I can give you is from my personal experience. I started out at a very young age as a slave to a man whom I now know is a (cough) scumbag (cough) for many reasons...but this one example I can speak of is precisely what I mean when I say that I want any slave of mine to be able to stand up to me: The man I was brought into BDSM and specifically M/s with at the age of 20 was himself 43 years old with "20 years in the lifestyle" as they all claim to have. He was a fan of pot though I have never smoked it and don't care to. Not that I have anything against it, just not my thing. Well, one day he crossed the line with me when we were about to go out in the car and he was rolling a joint to take with him. I probably didn't say it as politely as I should have but I told him I was not riding with him if he was taking a joint to smoke in the car. He told me I had to because I didn't get to make the choices, being his slave and all, and I held my ground and said no, not doing it. He huffed and puffed but he gave in and said something along the lines of if I were really his slave I'd have gone along with it. Now, I'm not knocking what other people do but I am not ever going to compromise on riding in a car with a driver who is drunk or high. I don't care who it is. What if we had an accident? What if the police stopped us for a blown out tail light? Am I a worry wart? Maybe. But this was not the first time he had failed to protect me from himself. He was also prone to try to "forget" to use a condom at every possible chance, keeping me on high alert each time it came to sex. Well, yes, I made a bad decision to submit to this man, not knowing enough about him before doing so, I guess, but to be naive enough to believe that doms and masters like him do not exist in this world? When it comes down to it, I do believe we all must look out for our own best interest.

DominaSmartass -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 6:22:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass I have heard this from a couple of different sources and interested in opinion in light of some other threads (limits and such.) "The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me." Not my words, but I agree to some extent with them. Thoughts? I'm one of those slaves whose Master often sees the bigger picture over what I see. His decisions for me are based on years of learning me at an extremely intimate level. He often knows what is best for me more than I do, based on his knowledge of me, his wisdom, and his view of what lies ahead. I think that's awesome if that's your reality. I mean, congrats on achieving such harmony with him. I can only draw from my personal experiences and I guess that because I am dominant at heart, even my short stint as a slave early on disagreed with me greatly and I never felt like he had any special knowledge over me. In fact, I thought things could have been done a lot better if I were the one in charge, as he was always getting himself into random messes that I had to fix (part of being his slave.) So sure, my perspective is skewed. I do like to hope that the epitome of M/s that you seem to have going on is possible. I just don't know if it's what fits who I am. Then again, at 23, who am I, really? ;)

DominaSmartass -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 6:29:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MaamJay So I don't think the original statement implies that the Master isn't serious about protecting His slave. Quite the contrary, it's because He IS serious that He insists the slave protect themselves from the one thing that He cannot protect them from ... impairment of His judgement in a serious situation. Because We never know Our judgement is impaired at the time. Maam Jay aka violet[A] Yes, you capture there, quite perfectly the meaning I believe is intended. But obviously we don't all get the same thing from it so that's why I wanted to discuss.

DominaSmartass -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 6:39:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Valyraen Aqua has a standing rule from me, a rule that I've impressed time and time again as pre-empting any and all other instruction that I give her: if she's in a situation that could put her in physical, emotional, or psychological danger, she is required to do what's necessary to get herself out of that situation. ...not really sure what I'm responding to with that little tidbit... I just felt the need to put it up here. Great rule, Valyraen. My question here would then be, what happens if you are the one putting or keeping her in that position? Even if (and hopefully) inadvertantly? Is she required, as your slave, to remove herself from a harmful situation even if that situation is you? To me, this is the kind of order that over-rides even the relationship. I have heard it called a "prime directive" by some people. It's kind of circular logic in a way, I guess, but very similar to what I intended to discuss when starting this thread.

AquaticSub -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 7:17:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass quote: ORIGINAL: Valyraen Aqua has a standing rule from me, a rule that I've impressed time and time again as pre-empting any and all other instruction that I give her: if she's in a situation that could put her in physical, emotional, or psychological danger, she is required to do what's necessary to get herself out of that situation. ...not really sure what I'm responding to with that little tidbit... I just felt the need to put it up here. Great rule, Valyraen. My question here would then be, what happens if you are the one putting or keeping her in that position? Even if (and hopefully) inadvertantly? Is she required, as your slave, to remove herself from a harmful situation even if that situation is you? To me, this is the kind of order that over-rides even the relationship. I have heard it called a "prime directive" by some people. It's kind of circular logic in a way, I guess, but very similar to what I intended to discuss when starting this thread. As his Kitten, yes. If aliens ever scramble his brain and he tries to kill me, I'm to defend myself. And then kick some alien butt. [:D]

DominaSmartass -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 9:06:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub As his Kitten, yes. If aliens ever scramble his brain and he tries to kill me, I'm to defend myself. And then kick some alien butt. [:D] That's great to hear but I doubt alients will be scrambling his brain cause he won't remember it see? It didn't happen. Anyway, my question wasn't so much geared towards the extreme of what if he goes completely off the deep end cause that's less likely than the alternative, which is sometimes you don't really know people or they seem to change, as much as you thought you knew who they were. I've had friends of 2 years who I thought I knew in and out all of a sudden reveal that the friendship had been based on lies. What makes me think it couldn't happen with a lover, dom, or master? But it's great to know that you are permitted to kick the ass of the alien posessed Valyraen ;)

AquaticSub -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 9:39:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass I've had friends of 2 years who I thought I knew in and out all of a sudden reveal that the friendship had been based on lies. What makes me think it couldn't happen with a lover, dom, or master? But it's great to know that you are permitted to kick the ass of the alien posessed Valyraen ;) Very seriously, if Valyraen were to change so much that he were no longer the man I submitted to then I would be forced to reconsider my submission. Perhaps I would stay, perhaps I would go. I don't know. I do know that he would not have me now if I would not make that do that then.

jessk -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 9:41:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass I have heard this from a couple of different sources and interested in opinion in light of some other threads (limits and such.) "The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me." Not my words, but I agree to some extent with them. Thoughts? It's a nice thought, but I will be honest. Any man who told me that I needed to protect myself FROM HIM, I would be walking away from very quickly.

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 9:45:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass "The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me." why would i need to do that? sounds confusing to me or to be taken as a warning that the person might turn abusive at any given time. personally it wouldn't be Daddy's #1 rule for this daughter.

DominaSmartass -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 9:55:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl why would i need to do that? sounds confusing to me or to be taken as a warning that the person might turn abusive at any given time. personally it wouldn't be Daddy's #1 rule for this daughter. If you really want an answer and aren't just asking rhetorically, I suggest reading through the thread. It's been quote informative with lots of viewpoints so I'm not going to repeat myself just for the fun of it. Though I would, cause I do like talking.

AquaticSub -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (5/26/2007 10:09:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl quote: ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass "The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me." why would i need to do that? sounds confusing to me or to be taken as a warning that the person might turn abusive at any given time. personally it wouldn't be Daddy's #1 rule for this daughter. People change. They start drinking, start doing drugs, have mental breakdowns, go insane, go off meds, start popping pills, so on and so forth. All that shit that goes on in the vanilla world happens here too. It's not saying they will change. It's saying that if you won't protect yourself if they do, then they aren't interested in owning you.

MQFslavetonia -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (6/2/2007 8:11:12 PM)
Has A/anyone stopped to think of this rule in a different way? The way that this girl's Master tells her to take care of His property while He is not with her is this: 1.) Take care of yourself, 2.) Be careful driving on the roads, be alert at all times, do not use your cell phone as this will cause your concentration to be off and 3.) At work, exercise caution in all that you do. Be careful with the tools of your trade. Why is this not the way that this is perceived? A Master does not want His property injured in a way that could cause her/him not to be able to serve Him in His needs. For instance, at times i use a box cutter to open packages that come through deliveries and i slip with the box cutter and cut my hand wide open and require stitches. Now as everyone knows a person is not to get the area wet so if a girl cannot get her hand wet, then who does the cooking and the cleaning for Master? Is this not a fallacy of girl not taking care of Master's property?

slaverosebeauty -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (6/2/2007 8:26:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL "The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me." I won't say that its Number 1, but, definatly in the top xyz. Protecting a master's property is very important, a slave must see things her master does not, and keep an eye on things he does not see, ie her health, etc. If she is not in good heath or in good 'shape' then their relationships suffers, that means she needs to also take care of herself when her top-type is nto able too, or won't. As a slave I do expect my partner to look for for my well being, when I am unable, ie in subspace; at the same measure, yes, he does need to keep an eye on external forces that are not apparent to me. A slave proecting herself from her master is common sence, she has to make a judgement call when he is not acting rationally or logically, when his common sence has left te building.

nyrisa -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (6/3/2007 12:43:47 AM)
(General reply) Some years back, my husband was driving home from a short out of town trip. His style of driving is faster than mine, although he is by no means a severe speeder. But it began to rain heavily, visibility was awful, and it was night. He'd had a very frustrating day, and he was preoccupied by work problems, and he did not slow down for the weather conditions. I became more and more concerned as conditions worsened, and asked him to slow down, because I was nervous. He was irritated by my request, and told me that he was NOT driving too fast. I (very carefully) explained my concerns, but he still did not slow down. Our son was asleep in the back seat, and I finally told my husband that he has total freedom to risk his life if he chooses, but I and our son (who was asleep in the back seat) were at risk also, and as an equal parent with him, I had the responsibility to ensure the safety of our child; he would either slow down, or allow me to drive. When put in those terms, he did realize how much his preoccupation was affecting his driving, and we made it home safely. My husband is a good man, a loving husband, and a protective father. That night was out of character for him. But if I had not been willing to disagree with him, and to make a stand, there could have been a tragic outcome. Doms and Masters/Mistresses are human, too. No matter how intelligent/mature/honorable/loving they may be, at some point they can do something that endangers themselves or others. At that point, I will make whatever decision is needed to protect myself and my kids, and I will stick to it, even if it resulted in breaking us up. I can't imagine that he would do something that would go that far, but I know I have the responsibility to do so, if he did. I am sure I will catch a lot of flack for saying this, but, based on the definition most give of Master and slave relationships, I don't see how one can be a parent and a slave at the same time. No matter what commitment one might feel to give total obedience to a Master/Mistress, your responsibility to your child's wellbeing is paramount. At some point, in some brief lapse of judgement, even a wonderful person can behave dangerously, and you have to have the strength/courage/judgement to say "Stop".

WickedWench -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (6/3/2007 2:16:42 AM)
quote: "The number one rule of being my slave is that you protect my property. Because you are my most important property, you above all protect yourself. I will protect you from everything else in the world but you are responsible for protecting yourself from me." What I find ridiculous about this rule is that a dominant would believe himself capable of protecting his submissive from "everything else in the world." I don't get to, have no wish to, and am not sure it is possible to, abdicate responsibility for myself in that way. I am responsible for me; that I am his slave does not preclude that from being the case. How does one go about protecting someone from "everything else in the world"? What if they go grocery shopping and get mugged, are in a car crash, or get knocked down by a car when crossing the road? Does the Dom get punished? What if the submissive gets stung by an insect or burns herself on the iron? What if... what if... what if??? I suppose the answer is, the submissive gets to say "Waaaah! You're a bad Dom. You said you would protect me from everything." As for the part about protecting myself from him, yes, of course, I am responsible for protecting myself from him. He is not a mind reader. He is human. He doesn't have the minute by minute knowledge I have about my current mental and physical state. I am not naive enough to believe that he "always has my best interests at heart." Sometimes, he might get it wrong, or something might just go wrong. Part of my job as his slave is to tell him when I know he is going to do something which will cause me harm. I do not get to say nothing, let him fuck up, and then say "I knew that was going to happen." Edited to add: Apologies, this isn't in reply to Suleiman... I just clicked on any old reply button.

MaamJay -> RE: Number 1 Rule of Slavery (6/3/2007 3:19:30 AM)
Yes WickedWench, I actually had more problems with the first part of the last statement too! Master isn't a superhero, so He can't protect me from everything but by the time I got to reply first to this thread (wayyyy back LOL!), most people were concentrating on the second part so I did too! Thanks DominaSmartass for actually acknowledging some of the replies. I kinda wish people would read through the thread before responding with the same comments about "if I had to protect myself from Him I'd walk away" without at all considering the other perspectives several people have brought to the discussion. And nyrisa, that was exactly the sort of example I was alluding to ... times when the Dominant's judgement is not its usual sound self! And they happen, let's be real about it, NO ONE is infallible. And I still think that's what this "rule" is alluding to ... those occasions (hopefully few and far between) when the Dominant's judgement is clouded ... that's when it's time for the slave's self-preservation (and desire to protect their UMs if they're involved) to kick in. I don't think this makes anyone less of a slave ... for Me as Domme and as far as Master is concerned with me as His slave, We want slaves with brains who bring the ability to think for themselves to enhance their service to their Master/Mistress. And yes, if a Dominant's judgement becomes seriously questionable or this is a prolonged problem (such as mental illness), then certainly the D/s is called into question. Then it depends upon the strength of the relationship outside of the D/s as to whether the partner stays to take care of the former Dominant or leaves. Maam Jay aka violet[A]

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