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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 3:03:56 PM   
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     We are talking apples here, Sinergy, not oranges.  Nice try though.


I thought you were making a comment that nice Christians would never brutally kill people, unlike those followers of the tenets of Islam.

My bad.

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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 3:09:59 PM   
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    We are talking apples here, Sinergy, not oranges.  Nice try though.


I thought you were making a comment that nice Christians would never brutally kill people, unlike those followers of the tenets of Islam.

My bad.

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        Oh.  I see.  And here I thought you were trying to just run off into some ridiculous moral equivalency tangent before I offered to e-mail you the Nick Berg video again.

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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 3:30:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		"There is a highly significant difference between the responses of ignorant individuals, who might decide to kick somebody's ass (or simply hold a personal grudge) for something they say or do by way of protest and direct action by civil authorities because of it."

.....only if the civil authorities treat anyone over-stepping the mark as criminals. Offering personal violence because of someones political views is just as much a crime as offering violence over an ex girl or boy friend.
Furthermore, as Level points out, freedom of speech is found in the Islamic world. Surely if one is take offence at a country's practises to the point that we wage war on them, then there has to be an equivilant reaction to nominally christian countries that go down the same road. Has there been any suggestion that Brazil should be invaded over the death squads that prey on homeless children there? A situation, while not officially sanctioned by the state, that is not condemned by any concrete action by that state and is carried out, in part, by serving police officers.
If the only human rights abuses that warrant international action by the West are those that happen in Islamic states, then it is clear that the human rights abuses per se are not any part of the reason for such military action, merely sophistry designed to justify such acts. 


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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 3:37:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you want to know about Christian barbarity just ask the natives, if you can find one on any of the continents the christians massacred the natives.  Ask about small pox laden blankets or sterilization campaigns or todays charmer, the christian right fighting against innoculations against disease only because they hope the fear of disease will be enough to reduce promiscuity.  All the barbarity of all the muslims since the dawn of time pales against the best 50 years of christianity, or at least 100 years.

As for traitors, the Republicans would have ALLIED with Hitler, they frigging did business with him and loaned him money for his war machine, some of them almost overthrew the US government prior to WWII, and prevented America from helping the British and from rearming to defend freedom.  They kept us from helping the Spanish.  You want to look for traitors, the Republican party has long been full of them.

As for this "war" sorry but anyone supporting Bush is a traitor, he has done everything he can to fuck over and make America less safe while lining his pockets.  Look at the recent report about how everything gone wrong in Iraq was predicted quite clearly by idiots like me but also by our intelligence agencies.  Bush is a traitor, period.

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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 4:28:31 PM   
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Would arabs annilite America?


Gee, I couldn't even imagine why they'd ever want to do that. After all, we've been so nice to them all these years...

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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 4:31:32 PM   
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"There is a highly significant difference between the responses of ignorant individuals, who might decide to kick somebody's ass (or simply hold a personal grudge) for something they say or do by way of protest and direct action by civil authorities because of it."

.....only if the civil authorities treat anyone over-stepping the mark as criminals. Offering personal violence because of someones political views is just as much a crime as offering violence over an ex girl or boy friend.




       Assuming it is institutional, I agree.  I'll say again that what we have here is a far less than perfect system and refer you to a case in LA (Long Beach I think) of 15 teen members of a minority group who brutally assaulted two non-minorities, while shouting racial epithets, and were not charged with a "hate crime."

      Doesn't really match up to ignoring honor killings does it?

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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 6:19:12 PM   
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They've already taken over the country.


Arabs? Our leadership still looks largely WASPy to me.


Your "puppets" can look like anything they want..  But that in no way means that they wear the pants.

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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 6:21:58 PM   
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They've already taken over the country.


Arabs? Our leadership still looks largely WASPy to me.


Your "puppets" can look like anything they want..  But that in no way means that they wear the pants.


So who does?

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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 6:26:37 PM   
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They've already taken over the country.


Arabs? Our leadership still looks largely WASPy to me.


Your "puppets" can look like anything they want..  But that in no way means that they wear the pants.


So who does?



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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 6:28:49 PM   
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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 7:19:54 PM   
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RE: would arabs annilite America ? - 5/26/2007 7:22:19 PM   
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