TomSir
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God doesn't like deceit. Nor the judgement of others by man. Nor lies. And He certainly doesn't like cultish behaviour either, rewmebering that yes, even christians(shock horror) - show cultish behaviour. In fact I have seen chrisitan cult behaviour far more obvious upon the board than anything and anyone else!
And above all, God doesnt like hate. It sad and somewhat telling, when the people who claim to know Gods words show less 'christian' love and responsibilty than the people who don't believe in a God at all.
Well folks there it is... Somone apparently so well versed in the big book of nuttiness that she actually knows the mind of her god. Aint that spiffy. Here we begin the slippery slope of religious demagoguery. Next some religious person will say that killing those that offend your god is justified ... oh wait .. that happened already didnt it. hmmm
Yes I am the one that added the religious aspect to this discussion .. hyperbole or no... he role of religion in the debate is the main basis for argument against gay marriage. I'll clarify my point from before. To quote from the King James ver of Leviticus 15
"25: And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she shall be unclean.
26: Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation.
27: And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
28: But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean.
29: And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation
30: And the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness. "
The religious argument against homosexuality comes from Leviticus 18:22-23 ";You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act
My point about picking and choosing comes from the fact that i doubt that any women nowadays are sacrificing "two turtles or two young pigeons" 8 days after the end of her period. As I said... the religious folks really do pick and choose what they practice.
Truly tho my favorite hypocrite in this area of debate is the infamous Rush Limbaugh. Talk about causing the erosion of marriage... he's had 4. Oh yeah.. poor Rush lost his hearing... we should feel sorry for him... but oh yeah that's right.... his hearing loss was a result of him taking more oxycontin in a day than would be necessary to kill a horse. But I digress.
You have to understand the nature of conservatives and the small minded. (almost one in the same in way too many cases) They feel that by limiting their exposure and the exposure of their ilk to such abomination that they will in some way curtail its existence. Much like the ostrich with its head in the sand. The zealous in their ferver to preserve their institutions reactively respond to challenge and criticism with quotations of their dicutum. Without fail use the 'faith' mantra to explain their lack of introspective thought or examination.
Really now... is the argument that homosexuals shouldnt be married because it says so in some not so old religious book written by people who used to use leeches and blood letting to remove a 'bad humor' so very accurate? These are people that believed the earth was flat AND that the entire universe spun around it. OH yeah... faith. thats the ticket ... faith.
Its time for these people to truly accept what Democracy and Freedom require and what it offers everyone. Often the 'faithful' feel that they have a right not to be offended in any way by the actions of others. Freedom is a very demanding mistress; exacting the heavy toll of tolerance is crucial to really having freedom. That means the Nazis have the right to march in Skokie AND that gays have the right to marry. Consider the situation where governments have dictated in the past to whom one could marry. Brave New World here we come. In a Free state one should EXPECT to be offended. Differing thoughts and philsophies will invariably offend someone. But being offended does not give one license to create discriminatory governments and laws. However unfortunate such practice is common for conservative religious citizens.
Oh.. and as for that mantra about no one should judge but the big boob in the white beard.. well that's just plain silly. We ALL judge others and on a daily basis. We have to in order to make our daily decisions. I might suggest that in judging others... instead of using your own beliefs as a touchstone... judge others within their OWN belief system. Hence my point above about the dove sacrifices. That bit supposedly is the word of god so why ignore the sacrifices et al. and focus solely on homosexuality???? (i'd guess its easier and safer to throw stones at others regardless of Jesus' comment about throwing stones)
It truly does sadden me that such a discriminatory belief system prevails. Personally I've always been a bit uncomfortable with homosexualy.. (but hey... arent lesbians hot?) A hypocrite you say ? well no.. I learned through a little known (to the conservatives) technique called "critical thinking" that in order to appreciate one side i must accept the other and that is all that gays and lesbians are asking. You dont have to like them as a group but you should value their freedom as much as your own. Hopefully in years to come we'll look back at this asinine discrimination and feel as we do about the beliefs that brought Women's Sufferage and Civil Rights.
Post script: a bit of redemption for all the christians out there. START SACRIFICING Pigeons. NYC needs you badly. You can eradicate a big city nuisance AND appease your god all at the same time. So who's first?????
< Message edited by TomSir -- 6/8/2005 1:23:04 AM >
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