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Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 8:22:43 AM   
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SpikeySwitch124 is new to the site and feels uncomfortable asking this question so have offered to do so.

He is a switch just beginning a RT live in relationship with a female switch. This is his first live in relationship, though she seems to have been in a Ms relationship in the past. .It would be safe to say that they are still settling into the pattern of their relationship and learning about how they balance the Topping and bottoming. He appears to be the default Top though does enjoy bottoming to her on occassion. The Ds element of their relationship is still under negotiation and he describes his relationship as "largely vanilla" but with SM play mixed in.

Anyway, to the meat of the question. Spikey wants to begin using a cane in play; used by both, on both.
He would like advice on
  • Which type of cane is best to begin with?
  • How should they practice using it to begin with?
  • The health and safety conditions (eg not striking kidneys etc)
  • How do they begin to train each other into this kind of play?

My own experience in this area is limited, I have only ever been caned as part of a punishment. I feel uneasy giving advice in a field I have such little experience in.

SpikeySwitch124 will be reading and (hopefully) replying to posts so thankyou in advance for your help and guidance.

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 8:38:00 AM   
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  • Which type of cane is best to begin with?  

Any kind of cane should be fine, whether natural or man made synthetic.  The key is how it is used in my opinion.  I do suggest using larger diameters at first because they don't have the same bendability as the smaller.  Meaning they don't "fwap" the same way and are not as stingy.


  • How should they practice using it to begin with?

I personally never use a new toy on someone else before I've hit myself with it.  I usually use my thigh.  Using it across your own palm helps but isn't as "true" a feel as across your own thight.  Hit lightly then heavier so you have an idea of what your partner will feel.

  • The health and safety conditions (eg not striking kidneys etc)

I would never use a cane anywhere besides the fleshy parts of the legs and ass to start.  Once you are more keyed into the feel, the "fwap" and what a cane will do you can branch out.  Make sure you are keeping the cane away from the tailbone and keep from going up onto the back.  The meaty part of the ass and thighs is best when starting.  You can cane the bottoms of the feet fairly safely once you get your aim down better.  Practice makes perfect.

  • How do they begin to train each other into this kind of play?

Training each other in this is all about going slowly and listening.  I would sit down with my partner and just "play" with the tools.  Don't engage in a formal scene with them at first.  Hit pillows to watch the bend of the cane and how much "fwap" it gives.  Lightly test each other out with it, wearing clothes first.  Don't expect the first exploration to be a really hot scene experience.  Make it fun and silly and give each other practice whacks.

Once you have established a comfort level....  When in a scene remember that the different diameters feel different and learn which type your partner finds erotic vs. painful and build the scene around this.  Use the canes in order of diamater successions or randomly for different effects.  Above all, pay attention to the cues of your partner and don't be in any rush.  Learning to take a "hard caning" for pleasure takes time and patience.

I hope this helps.

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 8:40:30 AM   
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Which type of cane is best to begin with?

How should they practice using it to begin with?

The health and safety conditions (eg not striking kidneys etc)

How do they begin to train each other into this kind of play?


i love, love, love canes! since i'm part and partial to stingy things, i tend to like thin and whippy things to be used as canes, such as 3/16 inch wooden dowels; i love a short but continuous stroke from the wrist, that's rhythimic and very close together; it creates a feeling of warm, warmer, warmer, hot , then gushing release. i love to be caned in the areas of the shoulders, breasts, ass, belly, back, upper, lower and inner thighs.

as to what they should use or how they should use it; well, it's a matter of personal tastes and trial by error; preferably by testing the waters on areas of their own bodies, by their own hands, using various implements to achieve the desired results and then teaching their partner to mimic those actions, with that implement.



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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 8:41:23 AM   
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Ma'am .. am pleased you posted. a pleasure as always to read your advice *blows kisses* .. am sure Spikey will thankyou himself  soon enough.

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 8:47:08 AM   
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The physics:
Smaller diameter canes are stingy and the tips wrap easily. They will leave stripes. Larger diameter canes are more thuddy and will bruise deeply. You'll be able to move the smaller one faster, but each can build up the same momentum, doing the damage in different ways. Think of getting run over by a Mac truck going 10 mph and a VW Bug going 100. To avoid damage right away, start with light tapping, then work up.

Safety:
Use only on fleshy areas that have few bones. Butt, thighes, meaty part of calves if done with care, breasts, muscles on back (watch the spine!!!). I'd stick to the butt and thighs at first. If you're going to do bastinado (caning of the feet), stick to the bottoms and be very, very careful.

To practice, get a firm pillow and prop it up at butt level. Practive hitting the same area over and over in sets of three with every stroke you think you want to use.

Watch the tip of the thinner canes. This is were most of the damage (good and bad) comes from because it will wrap. When a toy wraps, it means that what moving past the fulcrum is traveling faster than the rest was. Ever wrapped a weighted string around your finger by twirling it? Ever notice how it gets faster and faster (and tighter) as it gets shorter? Same thing happens with toys.

Material:
Most canes are ratan. On the outside, ratan and bamboo look a lot alike. If you look at the tip, however, ratan will be solid while bamboo will be hollow. Bamboo is much more likely to break and splinter. If that's not the kind of result you're looking for, avoid it.

Some canes are lexan (similar to plexiglass). They have no "give" and so will do a different can of damage than more flexible canes.

Others are delrin, a synthetic. They pretty much react similar to ratan but don't require the care.

You can find canes at a lot of places. One place is Achella. http://www.achella.com/canes.html

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 8:51:57 AM   
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earthycouple: My thanks for such a useful and well written post, Ma'am, I will be sure to apply your advice when the time comes.

MasterFireMaam: Again, an informative post, thank you for your help.

Also thanks to the lovely soft for asking my question far more elegantly than I could have done.

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 10:33:11 AM   
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am hoping LA will do one of ehr very informative link lists .. have tried searching but i always come up with endless piles of squat

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 11:03:34 AM   
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The only advice i have is work on control of placement. The pillow idea is great, but each others asses are also a good practice area when only done for a limited time and to see how you each actually react, and what you like/dislike most. I love a think cane with a good thud factor. It HURTS, but just right for me. Thin canes are like switches, stingy...i hate stingy! Also be careful going over the same areas as you could break the skin and/or cause real damage.  A little practice though leads to a yummy pattern.  I also highly recommend licking the welt after you are done. It makes the skin oh so sensitive and produces delicious shivers.

Spikey, my partner and i have a switch relationshp for the past year, live in for the last 9 months. If you have any questions about managing, juggling etc email me on the other side.  Best of luck, it's a fun ride

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 11:34:15 AM   
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Master has done many lectures on caning.

First, don't use Bamboo, they have a tendency to split. If you're using a natural cane, make sure they don't dry out, as this will also cause splitting. At the smallest crack, throw the cane away. It's no longer good. Master actually prefers carbon fiber.

What you're looking for in a stroke, is a flat even impact. You don't want the cane to rock on the stroke from base to tip. This promotes wrapping.

For practice get some chalk and rub it along the cane. Then take a pillow with a dark covering  and use it as your target. You should be getting an even railroad track all the way across the pillow. Basically, the swing is a locked arm from the elbow down. There should be no wrist action.



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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 6:37:49 PM   
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thank all for the great responses

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 5/28/2007 7:22:15 PM   
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The type of cane a beginner should use depends on the sensations he or she wants to provide/receive. If light, surface sensations are desired, go for something around 1/4" in rattan. If muscular stimulation and heft are desired, something heavier, in metal or synthetic (delrin is good, also hard rubber--although hard rubber delivers surface sensations too), with a diameter of 1/2" or greater, might be a better choice. As with most implements, shorter ones are easier to control, but longer ones aren't impossible.

For a beginning cane set, I would advise going to a hardware store and buying rods that look interesting. Rods for controlling blinds, PVC and copper pipes, light steel dowels, pine dowels, rods for hanging shower curtains, covered wire that looks amenable to twisting. If you have a sizeable East Asian community, you could go to your Chinatown and buy a set or two of cooking chopsticks--essentially twenty-five cent tapered bamboo canes. Bamboo isn't to everyone's taste, but I do like it. You can get an idea of the different sensations that I tried to describe above, for relatively little cost. No sense outfitting yourself with a set of attractive and costly light, flexible canes if you go for deep tissue stimulation! My favorite (and most requested!) canes are a 3/8" diameter, rather long rattan one, a baton about 1" in diameter and 18" long made of hard rubber, and a 24" rod for hanging shower curtains. For tops, it's good to whack the fronts of your thighs or the backs of your calves a few times, with each implement, to understand its sensation, and to understand how hard you need to work to develop a given strength of sensation.

It's good to practice on a striped or printed pillow, or on a mattress. Please use a pillow that you no longer like to sleep or lounge on. Repeated cane strokes will render lumpy synthetic stuffing. Develop aim: precision is hot. Realize that canes can be used in a number of different ways. Rapid, light taps with little follow-through provide a different sensation from quick strokes snapping the wrist back to hit with the very tip of the cane. For what many regard as a "normal" cane stroke (at least five seconds between strikes, some follow-through, contact with the shaft onto flesh, leaves a line-shaped mark), know that that can differ according to whether you incorporate the tip of the cane into the stroke. Significantly moving just the wrist, the wrist and forearm, the wrist, forearm, and shoulder, and wrist, arm, and back, will each offer you different results. That's how you train to use a cane--you hit stuff, and you hit yourself, you see what happens, and you file that information away. Avoid hitting people until you have a decent idea of what happens when you hit stuff in all the different ways you've developed to hit stuff. Without being able to watch you and push your elbow and fingers into optimal positions, I can't tell you more than that--and it's not like needles or sounds, you don't really need hands-on instruction, although it's often nice.

It is safe to strike any part of the body, except the eyes, (and possibly the front of the neck, as I think about it--other parts may not be safe to hit, but if a body part didn't occur to me as fun to hit, I didn't look into its anatomy and safety) with a cane. It just depends on how you do it. It is not wise to haul off and do a full-arm strike with a rubber baton on top of the knuckles. But if you take that hand, turn it over, and do shorter, rapping strokes on the palm with that same baton, or even harder strokes with a light, sting-providing cane, that, I would argue, is a safe degree of risk. As a rule, you don't want to cane bony areas with heavy, rigid implements (see above, metal canes), especially joints. Areas friendly to heavy cane impact include buttocks and thighs, chest and breasts, calves if muscles are relatively well developed, and upper back, abdomen, and upper arms (not generally good for people with little muscle or fat). You can cane the genitals, even with heavy things, although it's generally wise to avoid much follow through. You can cane the face, and it's easier to do so with very light things.

How do you learn to bottom to a cane? It's a kind of impact sensation, sometimes painful, so you apply whatever tools you have for processing intense sensation to it. Bottoming to pain in general is a huge topic, and I assume that's not what you're asking here. From looking at a cane, you can deduce that it's a fairly specific and narrow sensation, irrespective of whether it's "thuddy" and deep or "stingy" and superficial. If you have a sense of whether you prefer deep or superficial sensations, you might have an idea of the kinds of canes you would prefer. If it's to your taste, you might do a scene with lots of feedback and communication the first time you play with canes--a friend of mine likes to call such playtime "lab scenes."

Canes are fun, varied, and versatile! Enjoy exploring a new toy!

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 6/1/2007 5:19:48 PM   
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Here's my 2c.

Bamboo is not an option. It can easily splinter, crack, and the knobbly bits are weaker and can cause the cane to snap on impact. Best use canes made of other materials.

Rattan canes need regular soaking to maintain suppleness and to avoid drying out and cracking.

Where to aim for? Assume the buttocks looking side (from the person's left) is like half the face of a clock (from 12 to 6). You need to be ideally aiming for the lower quadrant (3 to 6) and the fleshy part of the buttocks. Avoid at all costs the top (12 to 2) and the top of the buttocks where the flesh is thinner and doesn't much protect the coccyx - or the base of the spine which is rather brittle and can crack or chip easily.

Canes usually leave marks. The more control you have over the cane gives more control over the degree and type of marks you leave. If marking isn't an option or something you wish to avoid simply drape a soaking wet towel over the person's buttocks or have them wear tight soaking wet panties, such as a woman's pantie girdle. However be sure to have caned naked buttocks first, because the panties or wet towel can conceal both buttocks and marks and deprive you of a visual guide.

The key to being able to take a caning is being relaxed and maintaining a steady pattern of breathing. If you have a chronic condition such as asthma or diabetes make sure you have taken your meds and have them close at hand, and if you start feeling symptoms communicate this to your Dominant and stop the caning. Some people do overlook the fact that you have to be in reasonably good shape healthwise to be able to take a caning.


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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 6/1/2007 11:46:37 PM   
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hmmm I have no real advice to give ... however one of my fondest memories is being shown a set of canes and told to pick one ... it made it speacial ... that I picked the cane that He bought to use on me ... now I am smiling lol

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 6/2/2007 3:03:25 AM   
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I just had a lovely caning scene last night. ~s~

I would personally recommend one of the 1/4" or so rattan canes to start and get a feel for control. The pillow ideas are great for learning control and aiming.

Be aware that in scene, when you go from one thickness of cane to another very quickly, your aim will be off until you adjust. Having a pillow you can whack nearby can carry the psychological weight of a "this is what's coming!" while your hand and body get used to the new heft and weight.

I made a set of fiberglass canes once and most people don't like them as they have very little vibration to them and they don't wrap at all - I was told they felt "dead" once. I also have a nice collection of rattan, in varying widths. I have one bamboo cane that I have used for years, taking the splintering warnings into consideration and having been very gentle with it. The width is nice for warmups. I also soaked it in oil for some 3 months at one point and it has a lovely patina.

I have some acrylic canes, a few plastic and such things that I've no idea the materials, and some wooden ones. I don't recommend wood at all, because of breaking damage.

I have used delrin and lexan but don't own any canes in those materials.

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 6/2/2007 3:33:42 AM   
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I echo the pillow advice, but add the idea to also use a fur/plush one (even a large teddybear) - plump up the plush and take your swipes - the fur will lay and it will 'indicate' how you strike and give you a rough idea if you are heavier at one side more than another - are hitting flat or skimming etc.
 
When I went to a cane demo, and the most useful piece of information there for me was not to buy a cane over the internet or off the shelf - without trying it first.  All canes are differing weights, hand shapes and lengths and no two are the 'same'.  So take a good swipe (within reason and distance) before you buy.
 
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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 6/2/2007 3:36:51 AM   
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I know that I prefer to hold a cane in my hand and find the one that "talks" to me before I buy it, however I will also say that I received a set of canes from www.canes4pain.com as a gift recently and they are excellent. (Flaming Hearts gift set)

I received a set of 4 canes from JT's Stockroom a few years ago and personally I thought they sucked. They were cheap product but insanely priced, the handles were sad, and they were very very dried out. While functional, they are never my favorite canes to use or work with and I only resort to them as a last resort.

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 6/2/2007 3:54:57 AM   
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Once you start to hit hard with the cane, tell her to ride the sensation wave, pause between each pop, inspect the result and touch it in a rubbing way to help her with the pain. Plus, it is fun to touch a welt you just made on her. I always make her ask for another one for a few reasons. One, it shows she has some degree of responsiveness, two, it shows she is able to process this type pain and three, it is a sadistic pleasure to have a submissive asking to be hit with a cane. I always stop even though she is still trying to tell me she wants one more because by then, she really is helpless and can't stop on her own. If she spaces and is not responding, it also pretty foolish to continue with it in my opinion.

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 6/2/2007 4:39:11 AM   
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So spikey feels uncomfortable about asking questions (which is ok some people are private or shy)  so you put his user name in the forum saying (hopefully he will reply) one hopes that he was aware that you where going to reveal what information that you have.
 
I am only going on what you have written as to why I have doubts that it should have been done this way.
 
But it sounds like plenty of good advice was given, and I hope the best for spikey.
 
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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 6/2/2007 7:16:57 AM   
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The very first time I used a cane, it was a larger diameter one owned by a femdominant friend of mine.  It did not have that same 'whippy' feel that many of her smaller, more flexible ones had.  The one thing I found quickly was that the thicker diameter gave me less fear of welting the area too quickly but that the marks left lasted much longer than any mark I had ever made with paddle or flogger.  They seemed to be deeper.

Over the last several years, I have experimented with a few types of canes but in all honesty...and maybe a bit of self-promotion...I have to say I like the Serpent's Bit toy I designed myself the best.  One handle, two fiberglass rods protruding from the handle about 26 in. with about 1/4 in to 1/2 in. spacing between them...it is sting-ey, it colors the area up quickly with little force and the more force that is applied, the better marks that are left and, due to the close placement of the rods, it is wayyyyyyyy 'bite-y'.  The last submissive I used it on called me after her plane flight home and told me what an interesting time she had sitting on the plane flight home.

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RE: Canes, a beginner's guide - 6/2/2007 11:13:27 AM   
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Dear softness on behalf of SpikeySwitch124,SpikeySwitch124, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I have taught caning and have written on the art of caning.  If you wish, you may Google Lady Hugs Caning and, though it is in two parts; I do cover the styles of caning; such as English, American, German, Asian and briefly on Middle-Eastern.  In addition, I do cover how important the position is for the slave/submissive as to best take the impact of the cane as well as the techniques I use for a more 'sensual' caning.
 
I also cover stroke styles.  From Tipping to the Florentine use of canes, I have demonstrated these techniques to many from an instructor stand point and or to prove that canes do not have to hurt.
 
You are most welcome to use that article as to assist with caning from the TOP side and the bottom side.
 
If you do have troubles in pulling it up--do let me know and I will render the entire work (without illustrations) on this forum or in private.  On the handouts for classes and on CD-ROM format; I do have illustrations that detail the areas to impact safely.  I have sent many CD-ROMs all over the world that contain all my presentations and written works.  If that is reasonable--please contact me off list and I will do my best to assist you and or any other.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

 
Other areas to pull up the same article on caning:
www.mastertallen.com - go to Honor Legion Lady Hugs bio-link to site is there.


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