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Vendaval -> "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 1:41:09 PM)


"Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men"
 
By Brad Dorfman
Sun May 27, 10:04 AM ET

CHICAGO (Reuters) - So, this guy walked into a grocery store ... and got completely overwhelmed.

U.S. men are doing more and more grocery shopping, both for themselves and their families, but retailers are still not doing much to make the trip any more enticing, retail consultants and industry experts said.

"Men do represent a large part of grocery shopping dollars and they aren't being very well accommodated ... sales are being lost," Mandy Putnam, vice president at consulting firm TNS Retail Forward said.

In a recent report titled "Men in Grocery Stores," Putnam said that men shop inefficiently, which leads to missed sales for retailers.
 
Many men have difficulty finding items, forego buying rather than risk purchasing a substitute for an item on the grocery list and hesitate to ask for help if they can't find an item, Putnam said in her report.
 
"They never ask for help, except maybe from the butcher, but they always say they never had problems finding anything when the cashier at the register asks," she said.

LESS TRADITION

In 2002, 41 percent of men said they did at least some grocery shopping, a figure that jumped to 61 percent in 2004, according to marketing consulting firm WSL Strategic Retail.

The 2006 survey showed 71 percent of men said they had shopped in a grocery store in the past three months, with 56 percent saying they shopped there in the past week, though WSL changed its method for conducting the survey, so 2006 and 2004 figures are not directly comparable.

Men marrying later, the rise of households where both husband and wife work, and other factors, have led to more men grocery shopping.

"Only one-quarter of American households fall into the old definition of traditional," Michael Sansolo, senior vice president at the Food Marketing Institute, a trade group for food retailers and wholesalers.

Unlike women, male shoppers typically focus more on convenience than price, and retailers will need to cater to that need in order to attract them to their stores, consultants said.

"The stage is just set for men to assume (more) grocery shopping, but it's going to be a much more convenient and efficient trip than a women's approach," Candace Corlett, a principal at WSL said.

One example of a tool to help with efficiency is the Shopping Buddy, a wireless computer on shopping carts at Ahold NV's Stop & Shop stores in the Northeast that alerts shoppers to certain items they might want, among other features, using information from shopper loyalty cards, consultants said.

The desire for convenience also make men a prime target for the Fresh & Easy Neighborhood Market stores British retailer Tesco Plc. plans to open this year in California, Arizona and Nevada, said Ken Harris, principal at consulting firm Cannondale Associates.

TUNNEL VISION

Unlike women, men tend to hone in on the specific thing they want to buy instead of surveying the entire aisle, consultants said. That can be a problem for manufacturers and retailers trying to promote new products that are the life-blood of packaged food companies.

"They were great at picking out the stuff that they bought before. It's the new stuff, or something new and different that a manufacturer is trying to promote, that they have trouble with," said Putnam, who walked along with men as they shopped as part of her study.

Men also tend to bristle at the overwhelming number of choices in grocery aisles, with the cereal aisle being one prime example, Putnam said.
 
"One guy I thought was going to have a nervous breakdown in the cereal aisle," Putnam said, adding that this man, in his early 30s, worked the night shift as a police officer in a dicey part of town and was otherwise used to stressful situations.

Retailers still refer to their main customer as "she," with women still doing the majority of the family shopping, so a major overhaul of stores to make them more attractive to men is not likely.

But food retailers in general are focusing more and more on segmentation -- tailoring store offerings to shoppers most likely to shop there or that they want to attract. This strategy could attract more male shoppers.

"If you are in a location where you have urban professional males, you are going to have a lot of Gatorade in there," Harris said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070527/us_nm/shopping_men_dc




Level -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 1:49:41 PM)

I have shopped for a long time; really, it isn't that hard lol.
 
I stick to the outer aisles, where the fresh meats, veggies, cheeses, etc are, only dipping in the middle sections for spices and oils. I have yet to get lost, or wet my drawers at the thought of asking for help. What's wrong with those guys?? [X(]




Vendaval -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 1:52:59 PM)

I cannot say, Level.  But I have seen men act that way before while at the grocery store. 




Aileen68 -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 1:53:40 PM)

I shop with my ipod.
It makes it so much more tolerable when I have to work my way around you clueless men.




Celeste43 -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 1:55:45 PM)

Elderly men are especially likely to become lost. Their wives become ill and it's their first time in 30 years to do all the shopping. I've had them come up and ask for help. They don't know what an item on a list is or what other brands could be substituted for it.




silentcogitation -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 1:57:03 PM)

I do love my Gatorade...




Vendaval -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 1:57:32 PM)

Yup, I have assisted older folks and young college students who
had little experience shopping.  The local grocery store nearest
to the campus has all kinds of convenience foods, packaged ready
for the microwave or grill or just boil-it-in-a-bag.




popeye1250 -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 1:59:19 PM)

If I were going to open up a grocery store for men I'd have nice looking checkout ladies in bikinis, riding shopping carts that looked like John Deere tractors, a MUCH bigger beer section, free roast beef samples in the Deli section.
And of course a "Hardware" section.
And there's be x-rated movies in the movie rental section.
And in the Gents, GIANT urinals so you don't have to "aim!"




snappykappy -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 2:00:06 PM)

i just go online and shop which makes it so much easier and i make a list out and also when i am out of something i write it down




Cuckme4Life -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 2:11:59 PM)

Been shopping in grocery stores forever and never been lost. Maybe at worse when items are moved to another aisle after a re-set, have i been confused. And not to turn this upside down but i have assisted women in finding items as simple as sodas in a soft drink aisle to Kraft Cheese. So this can work both ways.  Not to mention trying to explain to a lady what the difference is between tangelos and tangerines or how seedless watermelons are not so bad.  Its all a perspective issue to me. 
"Seek and ye shall find" --

And also:  "They never ask for help, except maybe from the butcher, but they always say they never had problems finding anything when the cashier at the register asks," she said.   <<<<<  im sorry but  i have NEVER in my life  been asked by a cashier if i had problems finding anything nor have i ever heard a cashier ask anyone else the same question.. So exactly which grocery chain is this that asks such a question?????? This by itself makes me question the complete validity of the article.




Level -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 2:28:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

I shop with my ipod.
It makes it so much more tolerable when I have to work my way around you clueless men.


"Clueless"??? Huh?? What do you mean? I don't get it........




Level -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 2:29:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cuckme4Life


And also:  "They never ask for help, except maybe from the butcher, but they always say they never had problems finding anything when the cashier at the register asks," she said.   <<<<<  im sorry but  i have NEVER in my life  been asked by a cashier if i had problems finding anything nor have i ever heard a cashier ask anyone else the same question.. So exactly which grocery chain is this that asks such a question?????? This by itself makes me question the complete validity of the article.



They always ask that down here......




Tannie -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 2:37:28 PM)

The cashiers in my area always ask people if they had trouble finding anything, and some of them duck away to go get needed items themselves if the aisle is close.  We also have people that help with getting groceries to people's cars, store managers that actually do their jobs, delis that make stuff fresh right before it is purchased...  So stores like in this article do exist.




CuriousLord -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 2:37:29 PM)

As a male, when I go to a store, I know what I want.  I get it.  I get out.

There's no joy in shopping.  There's no desire nor interest to save ten cents on a particular product, nor do I care for the dozen brand names for the same product.  I don't care about minor differences- a slight difference in taste isn't worth a minute of my consideration.  Nor is saving ten cents.

Think about it.  You spend a minute saving ten cents.  What's the equate to?  Six dollars an hour.  That minute would have been far better spent in having fun, then, more entertained, working a minute extra later, as I tend to make more than six dollars an hour, or ten cents a minute.

And, you know, asking for directions wouldn't be so annoying if it were a more brief conversation.

Ideal conversation:
Man:  "Pudding."
Grocery-store worker:  "Aisle 6, back."
End of discussion.

As for the nervous break down stuff?  I've seen far more women have nervous break downs (as they're more common).  It's hardly gender-specific.

The article seems to have a strong bias on it.  The point that grocery stores aren't targetted at men is a good one.  Also, that men are less willing to sarcarfice convinence for price is probably also true.  The idea that men don't care for as large of a selection may be true- we're not nearly so fickle.

PS-  It's little more annoying than when there's a long line, you're in a hurry (as I almost always am), and the lady behind the counter and the lady buying things strike up a conversation to the determent of getting the job done.




Sinergy -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 2:38:37 PM)

 

I shop every couple of days.  I start on the right side of the store and go up and down every aisle.  Then I go to the cashier and buy my stuff and go home.  I would love to shop once every couple of weeks, but fresh produce doesnt last that long.

I generally consider what I am going to cook for the next few days and buy what I need to make that.  Yesterday, I knew it was time to buy some pork shoulder and make carnitas (gawd, they are truly food of the Gods) and tonight I will be making stir-fry in a Thai peanut cream sauce.

If I cant find something, I ask somebody who works there where it is.  You may not know this, but you can buy Textured Vegetable Protein and fresh Miso at Albertsons or Vons.

I imagine it is true that men are put-off by shopping, but most men I work with wouldnt know which part of a spatula to use to turn their TV dinner.  On the other hand, 3 of my close friends from childhood went on to chef school, and two of those say I cook some things better than they do.

Sinergy




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 2:41:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

I shop with my ipod.
It makes it so much more tolerable when I have to work my way around you clueless men.

so do i - i've seen men shop until they drop buying things they don't need in the grocery without a list in hand.




seeksfemslave -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 4:16:53 PM)

I shop for myself and I am sick and tired of dithery women fart arsing about looking for their purses to find the money that is necessary to pay for the goods.
So Ladies when you see me behind you in the queue get grip, know where you money or credit card is and get out of my way OK?




selfbnd411 -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 4:21:14 PM)

Heh!  I have to agree--Shopping is business.  The only time I linger is when I'm reading those labels to figure out which product is the cheapest per unit, but I'm not there to see or be seen.




Griswold -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 4:24:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

If I were going to open up a grocery store for men I'd have nice looking checkout ladies in bikinis, riding shopping carts that looked like John Deere tractors, a MUCH bigger beer section, free roast beef samples in the Deli section.
And of course a "Hardware" section.
And there's be x-rated movies in the movie rental section.
And in the Gents, GIANT urinals so you don't have to "aim!"


Now THAT is what I'm fucking TALKING about!!!!!!!!

(And the x-rated movies should be sprinkled out a little bit on every aisle!)




Griswold -> RE: "Help! Grocery store still overwhelming to men" (5/28/2007 4:29:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I shop for myself and I am sick and tired of dithery women fart arsing about looking for their purses to find the money that is necessary to pay for the goods.
So Ladies when you see me behind you in the queue get grip, know where you money or credit card is and get out of my way OK?



Yeah...no shit...and while we're on the subject!!!!  All you people that drive the wrong way down the aisles!!!!  I swear I'm gonna bring a bullhorn one of these days and scream at volume 10 "Hey DUMBASS!!!! Possibly you haven't noticed...but we drive on the RIGHT side of the road in this country!!!!!"

(I feel better now).




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