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looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 2:45:56 PM   
subrouge


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Status: offline 		Hi im submissive and enjoy learning about new ideas with my master. I have expressed an intrest in breath play and so far have been totally suprised by how much  i enjoy this. My master has asked me to see if i can find out more about this to see if i fully understand it before he goes any further with me.
I am looking for a good informative web site or genuine help in learning about this, so if anyone can help i would be very grateful, thankyou x
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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 3:08:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are many threads on this type of play...do a search, specifically in the health and safety section. You'll find loads of info and opinions.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 3:09:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I personally didn't care for breath play, but here's a site to check out.  http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/carving/417/breathplay.html

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 4:02:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Click "search" at the top of the page, put in "breath play" and change the options to "topics" and "subjects".

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 4:03:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really like breath play a lot; it used to be a hard limit until I learned some correct techniques which is the big point...learn correct technique from someone that knows what they're doing...it is fun and even seems easy when you watch someone with experience but it can be seriously dangerous if you're not well instructed

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 4:10:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TopinPa

I really like breath play a lot; it used to be a hard limit until I learned some correct techniques which is the big point...learn correct technique from someone that knows what they're doing...it is fun and even seems easy when you watch someone with experience but it can be seriously dangerous if you're not well instructed


It can be seriously dangerous if you are well instructed. Just wanted to point that out. I do enjoy a bit of breath play, however, no matter how well instructed one may be, it is a dangerous activity. In fact, I have found that the more people are instructed, the less they are willing to engage in breath play, ymmv.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 4:34:20 PM   
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It can be seriously dangerous if you are well instructed. Just wanted to point that out. I do enjoy a bit of breath play, however, no matter how well instucted one may be, it is a dangerous activity. In fact, I have found that the more people are instructed, the less they are willing to engage in breath play, ymmv.


Very true.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 5:53:18 PM   
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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 6:01:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just really briefly. Be very careful with breath play. Personally, I would prefer people not do it, but that is just my own personal issue with it. If you want to engage in this type of play, be well informed. And understand that being well informed and knowing certain "techniques" will in no way make you or your partner safe. Only educated, which is important.

Here are Jay Wiseman's words on the topic

http://members.aol.com/OldRope/breamain.htm

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 7:42:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are lots of ways to do breathplay, from as simple and safe as simply putting your hand over someone's mouth to full on choking. 

Years ago when I was an inexperienced ass, I was playing with this little hottie and my hands are big and she was tiny and petite.  Well I had my hands all the way around her neck and she started spasming and almost passed out even after I let go.  I talked to Jay Wiseman, actually I frantically and a bit panicky talked to him as well as some other medically skilled people "WHAT THE FUCK DID I DO?' and I had put pressure on the carotid artery that supplies blood to the brain.  That causes all sorts of weird shit to happen.  The other thing that kills people is pressure on the larynx.  It bruises and slowly swells and cuts off air supply and they die.

I was too stupid and too uneducated and almost killed that poor girl.  Lucky for me, women are a dime a dozen but for those bastards who have a hard time finding women, imagine killing the only one who can stand you.  That really sucks plus other people tend to avoid you.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 7:43:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TopinPa
I really like breath play a lot; it used to be a hard limit until I learned some correct techniques which is the big point...learn correct technique from someone that knows what they're doing...it is fun and even seems easy when you watch someone with experience but it can be seriously dangerous if you're not well instructed


You're wrong, and you are dangerous because you don't know what you are talking about.

Breath Control is dangerous.  I still do it, but it's dangerous, and I am gambling everytime I do it, and it scares the fuck out of me.  Right now, sitting at the computer, I can't believe I do it.  I feel differently when I'm in love however.

But that don't change the fact that cutting off someone's air is inherently dangerous.

Hey, OP, read this.  I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying understand first the risks involved.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 7:51:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

The other thing that kills people is pressure on the larynx.  It bruises and slowly swells and cuts off air supply and they die.



wow...I never knew that.  and to think I let someone do that to me, and trusted his "experience".  I don't know whether to call him and yell at him or just be thankful that I didn't become seriously injured or die.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/28/2007 11:07:18 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		That is why when police do choke holds they cradle the neck from behind with the crook of the arm cradling and not touching the larynx.  They kept finding dead guys six hours later and it took em a while to figure out why, I hope we all can learn from their mistakes.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/29/2007 2:38:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subrouge

Hi im submissive and enjoy learning about new ideas with my master. I have expressed an intrest in breath play and so far have been totally suprised by how much  i enjoy this. My master has asked me to see if i can find out more about this to see if i fully understand it before he goes any further with me.


The best idea I've heard for breath play, so far, is to simply hold your breath. Sure, it means the Dom isn't entirely in control, but it is also a lot safer. The alternative is to restrict access to air; as others have said, that's edge play, i.e. there is significant risk.

Talk to a doctor about it. Seriously. They won't be enthusiastic about it, but if you ask nicely, they will explain why this is so. A doctor can also point out the location of the carotid and jugular, both of which you'll want to avoid, as well as the bit about the larnyx.

A web site is not a place to learn about anatomy.

That's something you learn from physical contact under professional guidance; i.e. taking anatomy classes, or having the doctor show you what s/he already knows.

If, after evaluating the risks, you still want to try it, a viable approach might be to have a qualified instructor teach your Dom how to perform a choke hold that is not a vascular choke.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/29/2007 6:37:32 AM   
MistressNoName


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Status: offline 		Re-pasting link to Jay Wiseman's essays...link sometimes works, sometimes does not...I don't know why

http://members.aol.com/OldRope/essays.htm


Anyway, he posted a note that his essays are (were) to be moved to jaywiseman.com but the date for that was earlier this year. Nevertheless, his writings are the best I've seen on the topic.

MNN

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/29/2007 6:45:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		This bothers me somewhat.  Of course you should find out what you can, but since YOUR life is going to be in HIS hands, I think it falls to HIM to "find out more about this."

Breath play is dangerous (though I do it...), and if you use anything other than a human hand to cut off the air flow--garrote, etc.--I personally think it's close to insane.

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My master has asked me to see if i can find out more about this to see if i fully understand it before he goes any further with me.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/29/2007 7:01:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		mmmmm... I used to like it.  His hand on my throat, lightly; me...going immediately into a headspace with visions of cats mating...the male on top...biting, holding, controlling.  That's all that has to happen; his hand on my throat.
 
Then, once while restrained at a cross, he came up behind me and hooked an arm under my chin.  I thought it was a dominant hug, of sorts and leaned into him.  I thought it interesting I got tingley and my ears just began to ring when the next thing I remembered was the sensation of standing up...quickly!
 
I was hot, clammy and retching.  I had a full, leather hood buckled and laced over my head.  All I could imagine now was puking inside the thing!  He got it off quickly enough; me just freaking...totally forgetting any safeword.
 
He got it off, whispered and petted me while I panted and drooled over the inside of the cross.  I begged to be let down, I still thought I was going to vomit.  He was amused at me and said I'd been hanging in my restraints; totally out.  This he told me while I kneeled and leaned over the toilet five minutes later...still clammy and shaky and retching. 
 
He stayed with me until I was calmer, holding my hair out of my face, rubbing my back; and then marched me right back to the cross and continued what he was doing; moving from flogger to singletail.  But... no more breath play.
 
What scares me is you can do this to a person 100 times and do it exactly the same the 101 time...and they just do not wake up.  I didn't like it anyway... what I like is a hand at my throat, with visions of cats mating; biting, dominance...holding, controlling.
 
but, that's just me,
beverly

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/29/2007 8:22:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's worth remembering that, far short of the point of death, considerable brain damage occurs from oxygen deprivation. For those who feel they are not quite stupid enough already, breath play can be a fun and exciting way to achieve their goals.  Personally I prefer to protect my neurons and those of the people I play with. You never know when you might need them.

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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/29/2007 10:43:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Deep throating is good for breath play. When he goes deep enough it cuts off your airway. Divine! I'd just make sure he knows ahead of time how long you can handle holding your breath...5 seconds at a time, 10 seconds... Start small, communicate, work your way up slowly. Sometimes wait a day or two to watch for any long term effects that you may not notice in the heat of the moment (like throat pain, neck swelling, bruising...)



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RE: looking for advice on breath play - 5/29/2007 11:41:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eveningtwilight

Deep throating is good for breath play. When he goes deep enough it cuts off your airway. Divine! I'd just make sure he knows ahead of time how long you can handle holding your breath...5 seconds at a time, 10 seconds... Start small, communicate, work your way up slowly. Sometimes wait a day or two to watch for any long term effects that you may not notice in the heat of the moment (like throat pain, neck swelling, bruising...)




Knowing how long you can hold your breath is usless unless the the airway is closed always right after you have inhailed.  There is drastic difference in how long you can hold your breath right after inhail or just before exhail.  At least that's my experience.

Here is very good information about breathplay: http://public.diversity.org.uk/deviant/bfbreath.htm

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