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AquaticSub -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 1:39:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Proof of what? That Bush's Grandfather was one of Hitler's biggest financial supporters? It's common knowledge. And the apple don't fall too far from the tree. I'd "LOVE" to hear any of the Bushs denounce Prescott's Nazi-Loving-Jew-Murdering history.... But they won't. Apprently not. Could you please site a source?

farglebargle -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 1:42:35 PM)
Well, it's because of not "Not doing anything" It's GIVING HITLER THE MONEY TO BUILD THE CAMPS. There's a difference between ignoring something, and promoting something. But we've digressed. The essential point is that unlike Commie Slaves, soldiers who take the oath to obey the Constitution, Regs, and UCMJ have a positive duty to assess each order for compliance with that oath, and to attempt to divest oneself of that duty is the lowest form of cowardice imaginable. And those who would do that, have no honor and are not worthy of respect. And any organization which TOLERATES THEIR PRESENCE has no honor, and isn't worthy of respect, either.

farglebargle -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 1:47:04 PM)
Once a Nazi, always a Nazi. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html quote: The second set of papers, which are in the National Archives, are contained in vesting order number 248 which records the seizure of the company assets. What these files show is that on October 20 1942 the alien property custodian seized the assets of the UBC, of which Prescott Bush was a director. Having gone through the books of the bank, further seizures were made against two affiliates, the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. By November, the Silesian-American Company, another of Prescott Bush's ventures, had also been seized. The third set of documents, also at the National Archives, are contained in the files on IG Farben, who was prosecuted for war crimes. A report issued by the Office of Alien Property Custodian in 1942 stated of the companies that "since 1939, these (steel and mining) properties have been in possession of and have been operated by the German government and have undoubtedly been of considerable assistance to that country's war effort".

FemmeOwner -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 1:47:57 PM)
This is the comparison is weak... no anti-Muslim books are necessary, as our government and media have been villainizing them for years. Ask any Muslim and they can tell you about it. It's been a concern for Muslims and civil rights and academics since I became involved with Middle Eastern affairs in the 1980's. As for making Muslims wearing stars... that too is unnecessary, since the women's apparel at least is a clear give-away, and in this country, just appearing of Middle Eastern origin is enough to get the crap beat out of you on a college campus, as happened to a young Christian Palestinian (along with 3 Muslim... get this... FRIENDS) a few months ago, yes, right here in this wonderful, free country. An entire football team, in all their drunken testosterone-laden glory, attacked the "rag heads" for walking the place where they were partying one Saturday night. Who needs anything so obvious as stars, that those who DO have a semblance of intelligence can point fingers at? the ground work has been long laid, and skillfully fostered and nourished. quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Your comparison is weak there. Show me the anti-Muslim books that the government is making for our children. Show me the stars our government is making all Muslims wear.

ennaozzie -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 1:53:23 PM)
It is also true that we are never told the full or true story I have seen that happen time and time again, so their for can not comment fully informed on any subject, each story only tells what the reporter wants to tell and where their preferences lay as far as if they are prejudiced or not according to subject, and if they have managed to gather all the facts to start with.

AquaticSub -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 2:00:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Well, it's because of not "Not doing anything" It's GIVING HITLER THE MONEY TO BUILD THE CAMPS. There's a difference between ignoring something, and promoting something. But we've digressed. The essential point is that unlike Commie Slaves, soldiers who take the oath to obey the Constitution, Regs, and UCMJ have a positive duty to assess each order for compliance with that oath, and to attempt to divest oneself of that duty is the lowest form of cowardice imaginable. And those who would do that, have no honor and are not worthy of respect. And any organization which TOLERATES THEIR PRESENCE has no honor, and isn't worthy of respect, either. Please site source. Prescott Bush does not seem the type to be a Nazi. Both my father and I have done research into Hilter and we have not come across anything about the Bush family. Therefore, until you give me a book, a speech or any respected work on this matter, I will be forced to conclude that your opinions are based on mere conspiracy theory.

AquaticSub -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 2:02:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FemmeOwner This is the comparison is weak... no anti-Muslim books are necessary, as our government and media have been villainizing them for years. Ask any Muslim and they can tell you about it. It's been a concern for Muslims and civil rights and academics since I became involved with Middle Eastern affairs in the 1980's. As for making Muslims wearing stars... that too is unnecessary, since the women's apparel at least is a clear give-away, and in this country, just appearing of Middle Eastern origin is enough to get the crap beat out of you on a college campus, as happened to a young Christian Palestinian (along with 3 Muslim... get this... FRIENDS) a few months ago, yes, right here in this wonderful, free country. An entire football team, in all their drunken testosterone-laden glory, attacked the "rag heads" for walking the place where they were partying one Saturday night. Who needs anything so obvious as stars, that those who DO have a semblance of intelligence can point fingers at? the ground work has been long laid, and skillfully fostered and nourished. quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Your comparison is weak there. Show me the anti-Muslim books that the government is making for our children. Show me the stars our government is making all Muslims wear. Are you refering to the Guilford College incident? I live in that town and know that incident very well. It was a college fight started by insults traded from both sides and the college security sucks so it wasn't stopped.

farglebargle -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 2:12:32 PM)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html If Prescott Bush wasn't a Nazi, why were his assets seized?

AquaticSub -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 2:17:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html If Prescott Bush wasn't a Nazi, why were his assets seized? Ahh, thank you. I will be saving the link and reading through it, as well as checking the sources of the article to see what my own opinion is. Just want to say from skimming it that it doesn't provide provide proof that he was actually a Nazi. It seems he did business with Germany businesses that gave money to Hilter, which is different then actually being one of Hilter's backer, as you claimed. If he was aware of what was going on, which doesn't seem to be addressed, then that does not speak well for his character (I'm relucant to say anything more damning until I've looked at it more carefully), but we shall simply have to see. Thank you and at the very least my father and I have will have a bit of fun researching this. Until I can have an opinion, Aqua out.

FemmeOwner -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 2:23:42 PM)
I live in that town too, and since I not only have a daughter on campus (whose best friend was THERE) but worked closely with the Muslim officials and civil rights organizations both locally and on the national level, and I'm sorry but YOU have been misinformed. It was not a "college fight," the Palestinians were walking through the square and the drunken football team started shouting epitephs, following up with beating, kicking and using bricks... BRICKS! AT LEAST 15 jocks against 4 young men who spent their lives in a concentration camp... Oops I mean refugee camp. same difference. It's really too bad that the college was allowed to halt the spin and try to cover it up, to save their precious football team. Them and their Quaker values of peace and equality. Amazing how the most firmly held principles vanish when faced with losing prestige and of course money. It's too bad supposedly intelligent people still fall for the "official line" put out by those whose primary interest lies in covering it up! quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Are you refering to the Guilford College incident? I live in that town and know that incident very well. It was a college fight started by insults traded from both sides and the college security sucks so it wasn't stopped.

AquaticSub -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 2:26:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FemmeOwner quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub I live in that town too, and since I not only have a daughter on campus (whose best friend was THERE) but worked closely with the Muslim officials and civil rights organizations both locally and on the national level, and I'm sorry but YOU have been misinformed. It was not a "college fight," the Palestinians were walking through the square and the drunken football team started shouting epitephs, following up with beating, kicking and using bricks... BRICKS! A whole team of jocks against 4 young men who spent their lives in a concentration camp... Oops I mean refugee camp. same difference. It's really too bad that the college was allowed to halt the spin and try to cover it up, to save their precious football team. Them and their Quaker values of peace and equality. Amazing how the most firmly held principles vanish when faced with losing prestige and of course money. Are you refering to the Guilford College incident? I live in that town and know that incident very well. It was a college fight started by insults traded from both sides and the college security sucks so it wasn't stopped. edited for second thought

LightHeartedMaam -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 2:36:48 PM)
Earthy, you know I love you :) Being a nurse, you then know how people can be depressed while outwardly smiling at the world. I'm just going to wait and see. If she goes, I don't see her being in a mental state to focus on the job. The tragedy is, she won't realize it until it's too late. And of course we'll make her a "hero" Her situation makes for good propaganda.

kittinSol -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 2:45:48 PM)
OMG, my head is spinning at such profound inanities. I think AquaSub ought to calm down.

Alumbrado -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 3:32:08 PM)
quote: It's really too bad that the college was allowed to halt the spin and try to cover it up, to save their precious football team. Them and their Quaker values of peace and equality. Amazing how the most firmly held principles vanish when faced with losing prestige and of course money. Are your seriously claiming that the Religious Society of Friends beat up these people with bricks? I call BS...please provide proof that the football players, or the campus security, or even every member of the administration are Quakers.

AquaticSub -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 3:35:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol OMG, my head is spinning at such profound inanities. I think AquaSub ought to calm down. I'll be sure to give it careful consideration.

IrishMist -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 3:37:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol OMG, my head is spinning at such profound inanities. I think AquaSub ought to calm down. I'll be sure to give it careful consideration. /snicker /passes a beer to aquaticsub have a drink while you ponder [8D]

AquaticSub -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 3:42:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: It's really too bad that the college was allowed to halt the spin and try to cover it up, to save their precious football team. Them and their Quaker values of peace and equality. Amazing how the most firmly held principles vanish when faced with losing prestige and of course money. Are your seriously claiming that the Religious Society of Friends beat up these people with bricks? I call BS...please provide proof that the football players, or the campus security, or even every member of the administration are Quakers. They aren't. While the college holds Quaker values, the college has been slowly moving away from it's roots for years and years. The problem is partly money- the college has been trying to recruit sports (football in particular) desperately. It's in hopes of raising money from the alumni by securing a winning football team. The college even now has it's first non-Quaker president. Most of the students aren't Quakers and aren't taught Quaker values in class, athough it comes up from time to time. Students are not required to attend Quaker service. Freshmen get a crash course in what Quakerism is and why all teachers go by their first names. But then again - the school is not a religious school. It is founded in the tradition of the Society of Friends, remains closely associated with the Society of Friends, has Quaker groups, but it is not really a "Quaker college " the way a Baptist college is a Baptist college.

AquaticSub -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 3:44:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub I'll be sure to give it careful consideration. /snicker /passes a beer to aquaticsub have a drink while you ponder [8D] Now that sounds like a good idea.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 3:47:16 PM)
Fargle, You are a pontificating ass. You are picking on the weakest in order to make yourself feel better about yourself and I find it disgusting. Kids in the national guard and even the army did not sign up to be occupiers and oppressors, they are being fucked over, redeployed and redeployed, used up and throw away and you want to hold them responsible over their leaders. That is shallow pathetic grandstanding that makes my stomach turn, you truly sicken me.

farglebargle -> RE: Death by Cop~ (5/29/2007 4:07:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Fargle, You are a pontificating ass. You are picking on the weakest in order to make yourself feel better about yourself and I find it disgusting. Kids in the national guard and even the army did not sign up to be occupiers and oppressors, they are being fucked over, redeployed and redeployed, used up and throw away and you want to hold them responsible over their leaders. That is shallow pathetic grandstanding that makes my stomach turn, you truly sicken me. I believe EVERYONE who has a duty, needs to be held responsible. George Bush didn't make Steven Green and his Sargent rape and murder a 14 year old girl... THEY did it. I'm not seeing much of a response ( as in enforcing the Article 120 death penalty for rape, FOR STARTERS... ) which makes me have any comfort in the integrity of anyone from the lowest to the CIC. Bush is guilty of his own crimes. Not enforcing discipline in the troops is one of them. That said, what's your beef with people being held accountable to their oath and duty. I figure people would be GLAD our soldiers are MORE than Commie Slavebots. They didn't sign up to be occupiers, Bush is just abusing them that way. If Bush's orders to deploy are unlawful, don't they have a duty to come home ASAP using whatever transport they can find?

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