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Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 4:17:45 PM   
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Before any one posts a bunch of links to where this has been disgusted before, please don't it's insulting. I am in a unique position of sorts. Let me explain. I have panic attacks when in crouds or around new people. I have considered for a while {a conversation last night brought this up again}, going to a club with a partner or freind to check one out and to make new friends,etc; except, the idea can send me into attacks that are paralizing at times. {no, I canot take anti-anxiety drugs for various reasons}. So my idea is, to get first hand knowledge from people how have been.
 
Has anyone else been through this? How did you get over it? And hoenstly, what can be expected in a club? etc.  Whats the 'typical' atmopshere? For referance, any club I may go to, would be in Southern Cali, LA area most likely.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 4:23:48 PM   
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As a Dom I had a very nervous time before I went. I had a couple of drinks as the sub I was taking had. She had never been either. It turned out to be lots of fun meeting some friends from an online thing we all used to hang out in. She did say when we left, "Don't look back or you will turn into a pillar of salt." Heh

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 4:27:07 PM   
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I love the dungeon spaces local to me.  I differentiate them from clubs and bars that serve alcohol.  These are spaces that are all or nearly all dungeon space with a "bar" for water and soda and a small social area usually.  If you want to see one first hand but don't want to be there with too many people go as the doors open, most people come later in the evenings, I have found.  Usually they are not over crowded and you can sit back and watch, socialize or play.  I never did find them to be intimidating, but I'm not an anxious person nor do I have medical issues such as yours.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 5:13:41 PM   
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If you're looking at Southern California, what may be a good option for you.....

The Lair has something called "Insight". It's on a Saturday afternoon, before the club opens for the evening. This would give you a good opportunity to see the club without the pressure of feeling exposed and without a large crowd of people. Plus Kane and careena will be happy to show you around. These happen twice per month.

That way if you feel comfortable, you can come back when the club is open for play.

The Lair is BYOB and they have munchies on hand (careena makes fantastic chili). They also have a patio area, that allows you to be outside away from the action and to socialize.

The website is www.lairdesade.com and Sir Kane is on CM as SireKane. He and careena are great people and wil take good care of you.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 5:17:27 PM   
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Aaahhhhhhhh, rose.  Please don't over-think things...like I may have done.  I don't have the issues you do, but I was more than a little nervous!  Let me tell you what I know of the several clubs I've visited in Colorado:
 
  • The people are, for the most part, VERY friendly. 
  • Most clubs have an 'orientation' that will fill you in on what to expect and what would be expected of you; rules, etc.
  • Those rules include not interupting others scening, do not touch other's toys or property (including persons) unless getting permission, if you suspect someone is heading towards trouble...talk to a Dungeon Master...do not try to stop a scene yourself, no excessive use of alcohol or drugs, no exchanging money for service.
  • Generally speaking there may be nudity (or partial nudity), but it is a personal decision, not a requirement (unless you've an owner who demands it).  You will see many people in many variations of dress (or undress)
  • There is little sex at BDSM clubs (though in 4 years, I've seen 3-4 blowjobs)
  • These people are serious about hygene:  there are usually free condoms, antibacterial spray and drinking water, too!
  • For those overwhelmed by activities or sights, usually there is also a quiet area away from the sceening where folks can visit and relax.
  • As a new person at the club...you might be invited to play or participate in a 'show and tell'...where someone will kind of take you under there wing and let you pick things from their toy-bag...and they will show you how it's used on your arm or clothed backside.  Like I said...the people are majorly friendly and accomodating!
  • I'd eat a light meal before ya go (the food is often........iffy?) and if you drink...do not have more than a single glass of wine with dinner.  Drunkeness is cause to be expelled in a heartbeat.
  • Oh...and similar to AA and events in LasVegas; what happens there, stayes there.  Should you see a neighbor there...or recognize someone from the club the next day at the grocery; be discreet!

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 5:18:40 PM   
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quote:

Whats the 'typical' atmosphere? For reference, any club I may go to, would be in Southern Cali, LA area most likely.
Even Clubs with a "typical atmosphere" have un-typical nights so you shouldn't rely exclusively on anyone's opinion. If you are going with a friend or partner who has been there before that will help. Your expectation should be to expect to be left alone, unless you don't want to be. Don't point and laugh. Don't do anything you are uncomfortable doing. Find the person/persons in charge and if anyone violates your expectation let them know.

Sitting around in the social areas you can expect the same as you would in any social setting. Some people will be friendly and introduce themselves some will not even acknowledge a polite hello. Keep in mind that many people are spending money and taking time to use the facility, and their partner(s), and not to socialize.

I don't think anyone who has gone into a club, private or public, for the first time and NOT felt nervous and/or intimidated. Hell - its part of the "experience", enjoy it. We've taken quite a few people, couples and singles, even a few 'curious' vanillas throughout the years, and most have survived. (lol) In reality not one person or couple has not 'played' in some degree even through they swore beforehand that they were only there to check out the place. It gets very comfortable very quickly.

...Or it doesn't. You'll either forget about the time and end up leaving at dawn, or in ten minutes you'll know its not for you. Either result is a 'growing' experience. Look at it this way, until you personally taste something you can't rely on anyone else's opinion to know conclusively if you'd like it or not.

If you want our personal opinion, the "best" and "safest" and most fun club in LA is Lair. We don't get there as often as we used to since building a play space in our house, but when we do go out Lair is our destination.

There are plenty to choose from - enjoy!

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 5:18:55 PM   
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Thanks, Bobbi. I will have to contact them, no plans on heading down south, but, I am leaving the option open. I know a few guys on my diving team want to do, worst case, I take one of them with me. These guys dive with [great] whites, so I would be very safe with them.

The idea of going to a club was to meet couples and make [r/t] friends. I don't plan on playing, that's not my thing, but to meet others and to get ideas, thats the main reason for going, or thinking about it anyways.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 5:25:43 PM   
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If you are really going just to socialize, try going to munches instead.  I find them far less intimidating since everyone's got their seats so no moving around a lot or mingling, and everyone's got something to do other than try and think of stuff to talk about (eat and drink) and it's usually a day or evening thing, come or go as you please and solely for socializing.

However, at parties, a good 60% of people who go don't play at all, and just hang out to talk.  Also, most established places have strictly social areas without playing going on.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 7:22:28 PM   
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I personally like meeting those in the lifestyle and the dungeon themes. I enjoy the fellow comrades and just being around others. Fun to get out and do something different.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 7:22:44 PM   
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You might try attending a small class instead if it is the thought of not just crowds but feeling the pressure to socialize that gets to you.  Again, most people are quite friendly, you can always email the hosts of an event, explain your issue and ask them to suggest something that minimizes the issues you have, something sparsely attended, or short, or whatever else might make it easier for you.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 7:55:40 PM   
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Hi slaverosebeauty,

I really can't address any of your concerns because I've never been involved in any of the clubs in Southern California.  I can't speak about the atmosphere, the rules, the crowds, the play.  I can only share my own experiences, and those have been across the country in the Southeast.  What follows I originally wrote and posted on Literotica, sharing my first time visit to a dungeon.  The names of everyone used are the names they use in the BDSM community, either a scene name, a screen nick, or in a few cases, their real names when they are public personalities well known in the area...  No one is being "outted" by this recollection.

The Sanctuary of a Dark Angel (http://www.thesanctuary.net) was a play space located in Atlanta, Georgia, run by a Leather family - Master Doug Harris, his slave, boy bob, and the many other members of the family both Dominant and submissive. The Sanctuary closed it's doors in 2003, a year after boy bob's untimely passing. The space is gone, but loving memories, like this one, remain...

It was April, 1998, and I was meeting people who really did this stuff for the first time. Folks from all over were meeting in Atlanta, and we were going to The Sanctuary of a Dark Angel. I didn't know anything about it except I was told that it was a "dungeon" where we could do SM play. The night before I had some hands on teaching of how to do fireplay and I was terrified, and excited, and apprehensive, and was wondering what I was getting myself into.

We arrived at this small, non-descript, red brick building a block off of one of Atlanta's main thru streets. From the outside, I was not impressed. A small sign, about 3 feet x 4 feet with "The Sanctuary" in rather gothic script... glass door with a Leather Pride Flag sticker on it and a Visa and Master Card stickers... Parking on the street? Wow this place was tiny!

But I screwed up my courage and walked in the door. I was greeted by a gay boy with a shaved head, wearing cut off jeans and white t-shirt, polished black boots with white socks rolled down over the top couple of eyes on the boots. He had a heavy chain padlocked around his neck proclaiming to the world he was owned. Even I, a relative newcomer to the Scene, could tell that much. He was friendly, had me sign a waiver, and took me inside. As we walked through the lobby I saw photos of leather luminaries (though I had no clue who they were at that time), a wall display of toys; whips, floggers, paddles, restraints... things I could buy if I didn't have toys of my own.

And I was literally struck by a feeling that I had come HOME. I was where I belonged. Here was a place that I could, at long last, be 100% ME. The boy, charles, walked on and opened the door, "This way, if you please, Sir." And I could hear the capitalized "S" in Sir... OMG. He showed me the bathroom (complete with shower), the locker room for storing gear or changing clothes... then we walked in to the main dungeon. Elevated jail cell to the far right with dog kennels built under the cell's floor. St. Andrews crosses going down the wall, a throne between them, a doorway to another room where I could see some kind of sling suspended from the ceiling, there was a bondage table along the far wall, a ladder-back bondage chair in the far left corner, then a rolling case that was easily 10 feet tall, filled with Master Doug's personal toys, then a shoe shine stand... OMG.

It was overwhelming. There was a gal there, her Scene name was belle. Big she was, almost 6 feet tall, beautiful eyes, long red hair, and we started talking as charles finished showing me around. The Medical Room, the Library, the Suspension Room, the Red Room (with a queen size, leather covered sleigh bed that I would use many times in the future, though not on this trip)... I had died and gone to my BDSM heaven. I don't remember what I talked to belle about, but the next thing I knew, she was stripping her top off for me.

Fire? Ohh, fire! She wanted to do the fire play I had talked about! I looked around, wondering who she was asking to light her on fire... ME? ! ? She was asking ME to do it! I stutter out a protest... But, but, but I've never done it to anyone before. I'm a nobody. I've only done the devil's fire to myself before! I've never even taken a flogger to anyone! I'm so wet behind the ears I have to keep a towel around my neck!

belle was having none of it. I know I don't have this memorized exactly but her words playback in my mind along these lines. "I trust you, Sir. When we've spoken on line, you never lied to me about your experience or lack of it. You've never been disrespectful to the subs or slaves, you've asked questions that were intelligent. You aren't a braggart or an ass. In short, what you lack in experience, Sir, you make up for in character. You have to start with someone, I'd be honored if it was me."

In spite of my terror, I agreed to the scene. We went to the bondage table and I had her lie down. I remember touching her along her shoulders, rubbing my hands up and down her arms, asking where she would be comfortable with my playing with her... "Anywhere, Sir" she whispered. I got a small bottle of rubbing alcohol and a shallow bowl... a dampened rag... a bottle of aloe vera gel... a lit candle... another Sanctuary boy brought in a fire extinguisher and quietly set it beside the bondage table, then quietly withdrew. The first time I saw boy bob, and it was typical of him, doing what needed doing without being asked, without saying a word... *smiles in fond memory*

I had everything I needed... I dipped my own hand in the alcohol and rubbed it along belle's forearm. I dipped my fingers in the alcohol again and ran my fingers through the candleflame. WHOOSH! and I brough my hand down to the alcohol on belle's forearm and it lit up and danced along her skin... a sharp inhalation, and then the damp rag was wiping flames from my fingers and her arm... OMG! I had set her on fire! I had really, really done it! And there was a sparkle in her eye, a quiet smile on her lips... And I did it again! And again!

Then I dripped a little of the alcohol on her breast, again that sharp intake of breath, she knew what I wanted... I whispered "are you ready for this?" and she whimpered out a barely audible "yes, Sir". Fire danced on my fingers again and I lit the alcohol on her breast and she gasped, her eyes unable to leave the flames as they danced on her and the cool damp rag put out the flames. Again, this time the other breast... and again, this time a nipple, and yet again. There was the unmistakeable odor of singed hair in the air but there was something else as well. The smell of her sex was filling the air. She was getting HOT! from this! I did it one more time, this time lighting a trail from between her breasts down her belly towards the top of her panties... belle wiggled and squirmed and I could feel the effort as she bit down a scream, but the rag was already putting the fire out.

We played with the fire for a while and I saw the redness in her skin coming up. It was time to bring things to a close. My own fingers were even brighter red, a rawness from the flames I was using to ignite her. I rubbed aloe into my hand, then I held it my palms, rubbing it, heating it towards body temperature, and I slowly, gently rubbed the aloe into belle's skin.

I looked up, slowly becoming aware of my surroundings again. And noticed for the first time the audience that had gathered while we played. Whispered comments and pats on the back... "Awesome!" "Great scene!" "That was amazing!" I helped belle up and hugged her close. She was so totally comfortable and relaxed with the audience, with me, with the aftermath of the scene. "Thank you." she whispered in my ear. "I've never done that with anyone before." "Neither have I!" I replied and hugged her tight again. "Thank you!"

I will never, ever, forget my first time at The Sanctuary. It was, quite literally, a life changing experience. I had come Home. I felt, for the first time in my life, like I was complete, that I belonged. Vanilla life was no longer an option for me. Period. There would be no going back. And there wasn't.

God, how I miss that place. And I'm forever grateful that I had that special place in my life for a time. Thank you Master Doug, boy bob, charles, Pamm, John, teri, Beeker, wendy and all the Sanctuary Family for the years of joy you brought to me and to so many others in the Leather and BDSM communities. Gay, straight, lesbian, Top, bottom, it didn't matter. You taught us that Leather transcends those limitations or orientations. We are ALL family, each and every single kinky one of us. And I'll never be alone again because of you. I have family. Even if they don't know we're kin. Yet! *grin*
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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 8:03:05 PM   
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They have munches in Fresno local to you, and they seem like nice people (the ones I have spoken with)... Perhaps that would be less intimidating?

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 8:11:06 PM   
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Thank you everyone for the advice, still it seems no one around here has anxiety or panic attacks. 

I will look into the Lair as it seems to get thumbs up from those who have been there.

I do a few knife play demos a year, its normally about 10 people, most of whom I know, so its not so bad; besides, I'm in subspace 90% of the time, so its a lot easier.

I CANNOT go to local munches. A dom who stalked and tried to kill me is welcome at the local munches and he knows the local Mistress who runs them very well, so its NOT safe for me to go to such events, besides, the last thing I need is have a breakdown. From what I know, this criminal shows up on occassion, so thats a no go.

Geoff, you gave me a panic attack. I think I will stay home now; what you described sounds like my hell, a place with a LOT going on and very crouded.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 8:13:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

They have munches in Fresno local to you, and they seem like nice people (the ones I have spoken with)... Perhaps that would be less intimidating?


The Fresno munch allows the man who almost killed me and who stalked me to show up, so its NOT safe. I can't even drive by where they have the local munch without getting sick. Just ask my best friend, we have to go out of our way some times when I KNOW the munch is going on, just to avoid it.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 8:21:41 PM   
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I used to have panic attacks, but I have managed to control them holistically to the point of overcoming a phobia... but I do not have social anxiety problems, which seems to be almost a separate issue from other sorts of anxiety problems (kinda like phobias are different from generalized anxiety).


I am sorry you had such an unpleasant experience with the local group. I have never been to any of their gatherings, only talked with a couple of their members who were very friendly after seeing my location on alt. Since I did not plan to remain in Fresno area I never went.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 8:34:13 PM   
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Geoff, you gave me a panic attack. I think I will stay home now; what you described sounds like my hell, a place with a LOT going on and very crouded.

I'm sorry if my rememberance caused you any problems.  That night was not crowded at all, there were perhaps 16 - 20 people there, maybe 25 including Master Doug, bob, charles and others of the Family.  There were a couple of scenes prior to my scene with belle, honestly I don't remember if there were any after, though I suppose there must have been because we were there quite some time.

I came away from The Sanctuary feeling "right" for the first time in my life.  I didn't feel out-of-place.  I didn't feel awkward, I didn't feel alien.  I was safe, I was accepted, I was with people I belonged with, I was home.  That's precious beyond words.  I had hoped that some of that feeling of peace, of belonging, of safety, would carry through to you.  Obviously I was mistaken, and I apologize if I caused you any pain or discomfort.

I am somewhat claustrophobic, I do understand the unreasoning fear, the dread, the anxiety that happens when the mind reacts that way.  The feeling isn't controllable, but I find that my actions based on that fear are.  I can only hope that for you, the anxiety and fear you feel in anticipation of the visit are not so overwhelming.  The fear by itself is your enemy, not the dungeon.  Don't let a silly tale about something that happened years ago in time, and thousands of miles away in distance, keep you away from your local facility.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 9:29:24 PM   
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I'm so very sorry to hear of your panic attacks. I've only ever been to The Sanctuary in Dallas (no relation to the Sanctuary of the Dark Angel in Atlanta) and while I enjoyed it a great deal it sounds like it might be overwhelming for you on the kind of night I visited.

I will say that they had a visiting room that was walled off from the rest of the dungeon which had pictures on the walls (including one, I was startled to have pointed out, of me), toys you could buy if you had none, and lots of comfortable seating. It was also alongside the kitchen area where drinks were available in fridges and a potluck could be set out on munch nights. Most clubs that I have heard of have an area like this in which you could sit quietly and watch, and engage in conversation without being overwhelmed by a lot going on around you - just watch people pass in and out and say hello or let them stop to talk with you on their way past. [I must note, there is a shower stall with a glass wall that faces onto the sitting area, and I fantasized about watching someone shower while I sat there for the munch before the play began, but my fantasy didn't come true.]

I too share panic attacks and agoraphobia, although mine generally only occur when I'm highly stressed out in my day to day life. I'm much more likely to have a panic attack at the mall or grocery store than a BDSM environment where I feel safe. However I wanted to share some of my coping traits.

First, I always wear comfortable clothes if I'm going somewhere that might trigger panic. For some reason panic is always worst if I'm trying to adjust a too short skirt, or feel compressed in a corset, or in high heels I'm not used to wearing. When I've had stressy nights before I go to a dungeon I sometimes arrive in flannel pajamas and bunny slippers. If the club does not have a dress code, this might help.

I also bring my stuffed animals with me when I'm feeling anxious. I don't know if it helps you, but having something I treasure and can clench close to me has staved off many a panic attack in a grocery store. (Never really figured out why grocery stores give me panic attacks but they do.)

If you smoke, I've found that a cigarette helps calm my nerves significantly. The ritual of tamping the pack, pulling out the cigarette, lighting up just soothes me. Perhaps chewing gum or some other ritual activity can bring the same comfort to you.

I also do well with about half a beer in me. It is enough to dampen my frazzled nerves.

Good luck and I hope you can find a quiet day that you can attend a club, and then go back when it's not very crowded and meet some friends.

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 9:33:19 PM   
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"Before any one posts a bunch of links to where this has been disgusted before, please don't it's insulting."

Maybe to you.  Not to me.  I personally very much appreciate it when someone posts links to prior discussions of the same topic. I've never seen the person who usually does this say anything like "you idiot, don't you know this has been discussed already?"  And I don't think that is what is being implied.  I think it's kind and generous to offer past perspectives in addition to the current discussion, because threads do come up multiple times, with different flavors and angles and particulars. 

So I would like to request that someone please make such a post, and perhaps people who find the offer of such information "insulting" can just skip reading the post.  Why deprive the rest of us?

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 9:41:19 PM   
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Thanks Elorin, that helped. I don't drink or do I smoke, yes I know, I am a good girl. If I did go, it would most likely be with a male partner, so I would have someone to be with all night, hell, he would NOT be allowed away from my side if possible. After this long of avoiding public lifestyle 'stuff' I think I may keep doing that. I will check out the link for the Lair and forward everyone's suggests to the man who has talked about going, he may be able to convince me its worth a try; he promised not to leave me so we shall see.

Please keep the suggestions coming.  

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RE: Clubs- what do be expected?! - 5/29/2007 9:46:47 PM   
robertolapiedra


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ORIGINAL: EvilGeof

You taught us that Leather transcends those limitations or orientations. We are ALL family, each and every single kinky one of us. And I'll never be alone again because of you. I have family. Even if they don't know we're kin. Yet! *grin*


Hello EvilGeoff. Thanks you for these words. I come from a "The Art Always Comes First"  style... Nice to know  about others.

Not long ago, I recieved an E-mail from a domme that comes from Leather and we exchanged about the Art of "Final Leather"  (and other subjects). She was wondering  if she and I were of a dying breed ... I hope she read your post.

Thank you EvilGeoff,  for putting a big smile on both our faces. RL.

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