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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:33:46 AM   
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the point of my OP was to point out that once she was broke, burned out, and useless to the DNC they just abandoned her


The way that the GOP abandoned Paula Jones?


Seriously, if your point is that somehow that one political party is superior to another, that just ain't so...

And the Peace Movement is NOT a partisan one.. the democrats have been dragged kicking and screaming into it by their constituency... they never wanted to be a part of it... look at the Iraq Resolution

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:35:06 AM   
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Bush has awakened the world to the threat posed by the Terrorists.


Is that right? It seems more likely to me that Bush has managed to awaken the Arab world of the need to unify and retaliate. You know... something like stirring a hornets' nest with a stick.

BTW... just how many years have rich white guys from Christian countries been meddling in their affairs now? Ahh... but I guess that's not relevant.

Here's something to ponder: After the threat of the big, red, Soviet boogeyman died, why is it that the U.S. defense budget never decreased along with it?

Hmm... Is it even remotely possible that the military-industrial complex needs to create new boogeymen to justify the insane defense budget? Which, BTW... I've heard exceeds the rest of the world combined.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:36:07 AM   
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    But, but, but...  It was the peace movement that drove the Dems to their overwhelming victory last November...  The majority of Americans agree with Cindy and want us to bring the troops home....  

   I see late nights and early mornings for the spin doctors on this one.  And a great big crack in the Dem party for '08.  Who wants Kool-aid?


No, it is Bush's little veto and signing statement fetish that stops the troops from coming home and balless republicans that vote their own agenda for personal political career reasons rather than the will of the people.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:38:54 AM   
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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:44:31 AM   
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I do appreciate your level headed  post here.  In being so, I'd like to ask your opinion  on a what if~

What if we brought everyone home and we stood on our own ground to fight the enemy?   Would this cause all the other countries to realize the terrorist threat so they fight for a change in stead of letting the Americans do it?  Or are we in a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation?

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:47:24 AM   
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Didn't the Republicans drop Jones after Clinton gave in and settled the lawsuit for 200,000 dollars?  How does that compare?


Sheehan feels used, so did Paula Jones... that's how

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 9:55:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The "change" needed to defeat terror is effortless.  Stop fucking the arabs over.  How many Western governments have they overthrown?  How many Western countries have they invaded?  How many brutal Western dictators do they support?  How many times have the arabs interfered in domestic politics for purely commercial reasons?

Most American's can't name a Muslim country we haven't invaded, occupied, overthrown, supported a brutal dictator in, or somehow fucked over for profit!!!!! 

If I was in their place, I would fly airplanes into anyplace and kill anyone that I thought would free my children from oppression.  For those too stupid to get subtlety or complexity, that is NOT the same as wanting them to do it, or an inability to calmly shoot one between the eyes to prevent a terrorist from acting.  It is simply what a reasoned adult would recongnize as the reasons behind their actions.

For those who are even more stupid and think arabs/muslims are a threat to Western Civilization, I will make a deal with you.  When they conquer a spit of land smaller than any state in the US and smaller than Lichtenstein I will consider worrying that they might be a threat to oh say Italy or France, but the United States?  RUSSIA wasn't a fucking threat...muslims are annoying certainly, but a threat to our existence?  Laughable.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 11:41:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		You know, FB, those were my thoughts when I heard the news.
Sheehan put her enormous grief into political activism, perhaps forestalling
the full grieving process.  She has changed minds and hearts in
many people and lost much on a personal level.
 
But the political system as a whole has not changed nor would it for anyone.
 
I hope and pray that she takes the time to heal and rebuild her life
and family with her remaining children, as she has mentioned.
 

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I don't think they abandoned her. I think she was naive for expecting to be able to effect change.



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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 4:56:19 PM   
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    I see late nights and early mornings for the spin doctors on this one.  And a great big crack in the Dem party for '08.  Who wants Kool-aid?



While I understand your slathering joy at the 9 Stooges the Republicans are trying to figure out who should be nominated without the party further shooting itself in the head, the ones angling for the Democratic nomination are a) largely unsullied by scandal, b) intelligent, c) with a couple of exceptions opposed to the war, and d) popular.

I suspect Al Gore will come sliding in at the last minute and be the next president, and as long as he puts a bullet in the head of all the Democratic party consultants and uses his own, he will win the nomination.

And I pass on your offer, you can keep all your Kool-Aid for yourself.

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p.s.  I am just hoping Billary switches parties to become the 10th Stooge, she has all the talking points down pat.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 5:30:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have mixed feelings on Cindy Sheean. On the one hand I find strident perennial indigence annoying at best. Yet you can’t help but feel for someone who has suffered such a terrible loss. I do feel that she was used by others for political purposes (that is the nature of political parties) but she was using them for her purposes as well. Despite what some might think, she was not insane (although I think a case for "emotionally unstable" could be made). She had to have some idea what she was getting into (I read somewhere that she was politically active well before her son died). As for what the future holds for her – I hope she finds peace and I hope she finds what she’s looking for.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 5:41:38 PM   
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The removal of US troops from Saudi Arabia had been in the works and planning stages for years. Things like that dont happen overnight, it involves alot of complicated logistical operations to close bases in foreign countries. 9/11 was NOT the catalyst that brought about the withdrawl.


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How long did it take us to deactivate our bases in the Philippines?
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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 5:46:36 PM   
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The "change" needed to defeat terror is effortless.  Stop fucking the arabs over.  How many Western governments have they overthrown?  How many Western countries have they invaded?  How many brutal Western dictators do they support?  How many times have the arabs interfered in domestic politics for purely commercial reasons?

Most American's can't name a Muslim country we haven't invaded, occupied, overthrown, supported a brutal dictator in, or somehow fucked over for profit!!!!! 

If I was in their place, I would fly airplanes into anyplace and kill anyone that I thought would free my children from oppression.  For those too stupid to get subtlety or complexity, that is NOT the same as wanting them to do it, or an inability to calmly shoot one between the eyes to prevent a terrorist from acting.  It is simply what a reasoned adult would recongnize as the reasons behind their actions.

For those who are even more stupid and think arabs/muslims are a threat to Western Civilization, I will make a deal with you.  When they conquer a spit of land smaller than any state in the US and smaller than Lichtenstein I will consider worrying that they might be a threat to oh say Italy or France, but the United States?  RUSSIA wasn't a fucking threat...muslims are annoying certainly, but a threat to our existence?  Laughable.


What he said.
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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 5:59:14 PM   
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While I understand your slathering joy at the 9 Stooges the Republicans....



       Once again, Sinergy, you are projecting your predjudices onto my post.  There is ONE Repub candidate I like immensely, another I think would kick the ass of any Dem that gets put up, a couple I want to know more about and a few that scare the shit out of me.

     I'll be voting the person, not the party, and if the Dems are kicking the protest bundle out before the primaries, that raises the chances of them putting up someone I might be willing to vote for.

    Honestly, your comments about the Dem field are making me think of that clip of Rosie O'Donnell saying "De-loo-sional."

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 6:03:43 PM   
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I have mixed feelings on Cindy Sheean. On the one hand I find strident perennial indigence annoying at best. Yet you can’t help but feel for someone who has suffered such a terrible loss. I do feel that she was used by others for political purposes (that is the nature of political parties) but she was using them for her purposes as well. Despite what some might think, she was not insane (although I think a case for "emotionally unstable" could be made). She had to have some idea what she was getting into (I read somewhere that she was politically active well before her son died). As for what the future holds for her – I hope she finds peace and I hope she finds what she’s looking for.


Well said, Marc.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 6:29:38 PM   
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While I understand your slathering joy at the 9 Stooges the Republicans....

 

     Once again, Sinergy, you are projecting your predjudices onto my post. 



Which prejudice is that?

I dont particularly care for any of the Democratic clowns.  I am willing to admit that compared to the idiotocracy the Republicans are parading, the Democrats look quite good.

Enjoying your Kool-Aid yet?

Sinergy

p.s.  If Gore runs, I will probably vote for him.  Since he fired the consultants that stuffed the stick up his ass and made him not run on his strengths (environment, labor, education, etc), but to try to steal the right middle, he actually looks good.  Otherwise I will be voting Green again.

edited to get rid of a sentence fragment.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 8:16:13 PM   
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the point of this post was not about her, while I dont agree with what she said or believed in, I know the pain of losing a loved one in war. And she had every right to do what she did. the point of my OP was to point out that once she was broke, burned out, and useless to the DNC they just abandoned her.



It's to bad you didn't possess the ability to read the rest of the article or you could not have possibly reached such an uninformed conclusion.....Sometimes when I read your posts I often wonder at first if you are joking and then I sadly realize that you just don't get it.

The dems didn't abandon Cindy Sheehan...She left them!!! .They betrayed her as well as everyone else who voted them in.  The Democrats were voted in as a statement of the disgust for what is taking place in Iraq....And then when it came time to act with a resounding voice and in some way put an end to this war and support the wishes of the Americans who voted them in....What did they do? ...Nothing!!!!

So your rediculous notion that in some way her being broke has anything to do with this scenario is mindless drivel....She criticized the Dems for not following through in trying to stop this unjust occupation...Whether Cindy Sheehan was rich or poor she would no longer support a party that she feels has betrayed her....

I hope this helps you to understand what transpired here....Maybe you should try and think things through and before spewing your rediculous love and notion of all things GOP.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 8:24:23 PM   
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Well said, Marc.


Thanks.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 8:24:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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While I understand your slathering joy at the 9 Stooges the Republicans....

 

    Once again, Sinergy, you are projecting your predjudices onto my post. 



Which prejudice is that?

I dont particularly care for any of the Democratic clowns.  I am willing to admit that compared to the idiotocracy the Republicans are parading, the Democrats look quite good.

Enjoying your Kool-Aid yet?

Sinergy




       What prejudice?  Did you forget to put in the little <sarcasm> marks?  The very same prejudice you display in the next sentence.  That blind broad brush you apply to the right, (and become all offended over when you get lumped in with "the Left") that conservatives are all alike.

       I at least ask who wants Kool-aid.  You just assume we are drinking it.  That's not a pre-judgement?


       (I enjoy the way you use language, but don't you think 'idiocracy' rolls more smoothly off the tongue than 'idiotocracy?') 

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 8:25:28 PM   
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The Democrats were voted in as a statement of the disgust for what is taking place in Iraq....And then when it came time to act with a resounding voice and in some way put an end to this war and support the wishes of the Americans who voted them in....What did they do? ...Nothing!!!!


That's a bit unfair. The Dems passed a funding bill with timetables, and it got vetoed. They don't have the votes to override a veto, so they faced an unpalatable choice: (a) pass a funding bill without a timetable so the president would sign it or (b) cut off funding for the war and be accused of playing politics with our soldiers' lives.

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RE: Cindy Sheehan sees the light - 5/30/2007 8:36:05 PM   
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The Democrats were voted in as a statement of the disgust for what is taking place in Iraq....And then when it came time to act with a resounding voice and in some way put an end to this war and support the wishes of the Americans who voted them in....What did they do? ...Nothing!!!!


That's a bit unfair. The Dems passed a funding bill with timetables, and it got vetoed. They don't have the votes to override a veto, so they faced an unpalatable choice: (a) pass a funding bill without a timetable so the president would sign it or (b) cut off funding for the war and be accused of playing politics with our soldiers' lives.


They should have cut off the funding....If one soldier was killed due to the lack of funding the blame would not fall on those not providing the financial support but on the boneheads that would allow our troops to remain without adequate tools.

Dems are pussies we cave to the notions of perception that are not based on reality....

Whatever happened to creating an amendment to ban gay marriage....Seems the Prez and the rest of Reps don't really seem to care about this issue anymore...But it sure helped to bring it up to win an election.

Too many Dems just like  too many Reps are just complete and utter pussies. No persobal convictions unless those convictions conveniently happen to fall along the same views as the majority of the population.

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