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Lordandmaster -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 10:37:09 AM)

Another update: Turns out this asshole is a lawyer, and knew he was flying with TB.  He could have exposed as many as 80 people!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070531/ap_on_re_us/tuberculosis_infection

Fucker should go to jail.




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 10:41:47 AM)

And he lies as good as most attorneys do. He said they told him he could fly. Yeah I believe that![8|]




lilsubl -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 10:43:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Not to try and derail the nice "immigrants are diseased" thread but...

The idiot in question had recently traveled in Asia fund raising for hospitals in that area. Unsurprisingly XDR TB is primarily found in Asia. I'm willing to bet that is where he caught it.
http://www.ajc.com/health/content/health/stories/2007/05/29/0530meshtb.html?imw=Y

The article also point out that the total number of TB infections per year in the US continues to fall despite the immigrants and the overall increase population but far be it from me to interject facts into your paranoia.


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Tuomas -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 11:07:33 AM)

cyberdude611, I wasn't trying to imply that immigration does not account for diseases in the US, or indeed a significant protion thereof. If you consider total numbers, it's more than likely that an important portion of "new" cases and diseases in the US can be traced directly to immigration -particularly illegal immigration. The US has one of the most lax border control systems in the world, when it comes to minorities. While law-abiding citizens are subjected to a battery of bureaucratic restrictions and searches, the criminals are practically given a free-pass on pretty much everything. This is a serious issue that the US needs to address, and the law needs to be applied equally to everyone irrespectful of their origin. Singling out senior-citizens for body-cavity searches because they won't protest as much as a militant African family does nothing to solve the US's significant border control failures.

There, I do concur with you in that the US border disease control system needs to be applied better (there is no requirement to increase restrictions, but to enforce those already in place.) There are lots of countries that deny access to people with certain diseases, including HIV, TB and others.

However, two observations:
quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
-Chagas Disease, which has no known cure and has always been rare in the United States, has risen by 28% over the past several years. This is a disease that was previously contained to locations in Latin America with poor hygeine.

This is not entirely true. Chagas is endemic in many tropical areas of Latin America. While Chile has taken great strides to irradicate the disease, it still remains latent in the desert. It's important to understand how the disease is transmitted, and that is namely through the feces of several different bettles of the Reduviidae family, who deposit next to open wounds. Chagas is not transmitted orally or in the air, but only through bodily fluids (in other words, it's a STD). Because the elimination of the vector bettle is vehemently opposed by environmental groups, it has remained impossible for Chile's Health Ministry to irradicate the disease, a situation that is agrivated by continual immigration from high-risk countries such as Perú and Bolivia.

Since the vector bettle is only found in Latin America, it is clear that the increase in cases in the US has only two causes: A) an influx of immigrants with the disease already contracted B) an increase in sexual contact with such immigrants. This is another disease that may be stopped wholy at the US border by the proper application of controls.

However, it's important to remember that Chagas is not a matter of sanitation, but of education and prevention. The worst case would be someone who illegally interred vector Bettles...


quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
These bugs do not discriminate.

Although I understand what you are saying, I should also point out that "bugs" do discriminate. Certain races have genetic suceptability to certain diseases, while other have resistence to them. Diseases also manifest themselves differently in peoples of different races. Certain diseases are also endemic in specific races, and might be transmitted by contact in some, while they require fluid exchange in others. This is why different countries have to apply different health requirements at admission, or different people need different innoculations while traveling.




SimplyMichael -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 11:49:08 AM)

Drug resistant disease is due to pharmaceutical companies and Western greed.  Disease works in our favors much of the time, the more fucked up a country, the easier it is to rape and pillage their resources.

America/Bush refuses to allow condoms to be distributed or even mentioned in any program using US funds and we fight for the same idiocy to be adopted by the UN.  AIDS in Africa could be greatly reduced if it wasn't for the UnChristian Right. 

Instead of doing what we did for small pox and making it a global crusade to eliminate diseases we give it lip service and only support sporadic efforts which again make the diseases stronger and more resistant.  This is done to protect profits of pharmaceutical companies.  They don't give a shit because when this process bits America in the ass, taxpayers pick up THAT bill so they win on both ends.

In addition, our use of antibiotics to treat cattle and livestock in our horrible factory farms also helps produce "super bugs" that are resistant to antibiotics.

Once again the right wing buffoons blame the least powerful and most defenseless for problems America helps create.  What's next, are we going to bash Chinese immigrants for Bush refusal to force the Chinese government to let the Yuan float?




philosophy -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 11:54:40 AM)

"The CDC is very, very good at figuring out where a disease originated from. They have directly traced many outbreaks of Hepatitis, TB, and other diseases to illegal immigrants working in the food or food-packaging industry...not to HIV patients."
<my italics>

.......so many can be construed (at least by you) as all, can it?
As i posted earlier, by concentrating on one vector and refusing to consider any other ones (antibiotic resistence, i'll remind you again) all your argument does is let off irresponsible doctors and reinforce stereotypes that are close to racism.




cyberdude611 -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 12:14:11 PM)

They wont use condoms in Africa. Many cultures there do not believe in birth control. There are people here in the US that dont believe in birth control. I was reading a story about how a pharmacist here in the USA refuses to fill prescriptions of birth control or the morning after pill citing religious beliefs.

Africa also has a food shortage. Foreign aid does nothing since the massively corrupt governmennts in Afica control what goes in and out of their borders including food and money. Any money that goes in goes through the goverment. Many countries there have been in civil war or in tribal fighting for decades. Again this further complicates the problems.

Africa has A LOT of problems. Throwing all the condoms in the world at that continent in my opinion wont do a damn thing.




SimplyMichael -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 12:49:32 PM)

Guess who funds those little guerilla wars in Africa?  Funny how the ones with resources tend to be the ones with the most problems and the ones without tend to be the most stable.  HMMMM, enough to make some people think but clearly not enough for others.




Mercnbeth -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 2:11:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Another update: Turns out this asshole is a lawyer, and knew he was flying with TB.  He could have exposed as many as 80 people!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070531/ap_on_re_us/tuberculosis_infection

Fucker should go to jail.


Unfortunately he was traveling to a wedding and not an international convention of the ABA.




thornhappy -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 2:39:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
-Over the past 3 years the United States has over 7,000 new cases of Leprosy.
-Another rare disease in the US, Dengue fever, had an outbreak in Webb county, Texas which borders Mexico.
-An outbreak of Hepatitis in Pittsburgh, PA was linked to Chi-Chi's Restaurant that employed illegal aliens in the kitchen that tested positive for Hepatitis. 3,000 people were infected, 2 died.
-Other diseases rare to the US have suddenly shown increases including Polio, Malaria, and Mumps.


There is one bald mistake (repeated by Lou Dobbs but completely incorrect) and a few misconceptions here.
1) There have been 7000 cases of leprosy in the last 30 years.
2) Dengue and malaria can cross the borders all by themselves, via mosquitos.  And the warmer it gets, the farther north those mosquitos can go.
3) Increases in mumps can be due to a decrease in vaccination (people can refuse to give their children the standard immunizations).  There was an outbreak of measles at UCSB the year before I went back (1990), and I was required to have MMR vaccination before I started classes. 

thornhappy





popeye1250 -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 3:01:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

"The CDC is very, very good at figuring out where a disease originated from. They have directly traced many outbreaks of Hepatitis, TB, and other diseases to illegal immigrants working in the food or food-packaging industry...not to HIV patients."
<my italics>

.......so many can be construed (at least by you) as all, can it?
As i posted earlier, by concentrating on one vector and refusing to consider any other ones (antibiotic resistence, i'll remind you again) all your argument does is let off irresponsible doctors and reinforce stereotypes that are close to racism.


Philosophy, what does this have to do with "racism?"
I don't want White people from England comming into the U.S. spreading disease!
Or anyone else.




MadameDahlia -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 3:03:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Another update: Turns out this asshole is a lawyer, and knew he was flying with TB.  He could have exposed as many as 80 people!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070531/ap_on_re_us/tuberculosis_infection

Fucker should go to jail.


Seconded.

I watched the news the other evening and it was stated that he was told not to fly... but rather to get himself checked in somewhere and treated. He, of course, had pressing business elsewhere and brushed off what he didn't want to hear. I believe the "compelling personal reason" he gave was that he was going to be meeting up with his wife-to-be. What a great gift that would have been if she'd contracted it as well.




selfbnd411 -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 3:42:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

There is one bald mistake (repeated by Lou Dobbs but completely incorrect) and a few misconceptions here.
1) There have been 7000 cases of leprosy in the last 30 years.
2) Dengue and malaria can cross the borders all by themselves, via mosquitos.  And the warmer it gets, the farther north those mosquitos can go.
3) Increases in mumps can be due to a decrease in vaccination (people can refuse to give their children the standard immunizations).  There was an outbreak of measles at UCSB the year before I went back (1990), and I was required to have MMR vaccination before I started classes. 

thornhappy



Stop it!  Stop with all your damn facts and rational arguments!  It's dem immigants!  immigants I tells ya!




Lordandmaster -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 5:50:34 PM)

Can you believe this shit?  Now it turns out that the guy's father-in-law is a CDC microbiologist who, oh, just happens to work on TB!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070601/ap_on_re_us/tuberculosis_infection

This story is getting stranger and stranger.




selfbnd411 -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 6:03:16 PM)

Yah, I saw that.  Wonder if Lou Dobbs will be talking about how the whitest of white bread was responsible for bringing a deadly disease into this country? [8|]




philosophy -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 8:06:27 PM)

"I don't want White people from England comming into the U.S. spreading disease!
Or anyone else. "

wasn't accusing you, Popeye, of anything...however Cyberdude only really wrote about Mexicans....while continually ignoring any other causes......now, if someone only ever focuses on what country someone was born in as a cause of disease, while ignoring antibiotic resistence......then that is, as i suggested earlier, close to racism.




cyberdude611 -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 9:14:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

"I don't want White people from England comming into the U.S. spreading disease!
Or anyone else. "

wasn't accusing you, Popeye, of anything...however Cyberdude only really wrote about Mexicans....while continually ignoring any other causes......now, if someone only ever focuses on what country someone was born in as a cause of disease, while ignoring antibiotic resistence......then that is, as i suggested earlier, close to racism.


The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico...not England. And I said all immigrants coming in need to be checked. I concentrated on Mexico because that is where we are currently having the major problem. 1.2 million of them flow into this country every year illegally. No other nation even comes remotely close to that number.




slaverosebeauty -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (5/31/2007 9:21:46 PM)

This guy flew to Europe, then 'hopped' over the pond into canada, then DROVE into the US; he was intentioally avoiding everyone, yet, he exposed an unknown number of innocent peopelt o a dangerious disease. Funny thing, his new father-in-law is a scientist with the CDC who work with TB. How is THAT for crasy. They showed an interview with someoen who was contacted about possibly beign exposed to TB and she said if she had known earlier, she would have voluntarly gone itno quarnteen and been tested, this guy was not only stupid, but dangerious. He can face prosecution, malice of forethought, etc. He is in his early 20s, now, he can be held in isolation for up to a YEAR; plus any prison time he may get for this malicious act. His new bride has NOT tested positive, so far. And how was YOUR week.




Vendaval -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (6/1/2007 12:46:26 AM)

Yes, the father-in-law was interviewed on the news. 
The whole situation will likely be optioned for a movie deal before
it is all over, what with including politics + TB + a lawyer!


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Can you believe this shit?  Now it turns out that the guy's father-in-law is a CDC microbiologist who, oh, just happens to work on TB!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070601/ap_on_re_us/tuberculosis_infection

This story is getting stranger and stranger.




philosophy -> RE: "U.S. isolates traveler infected with super-TB" (6/1/2007 8:39:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611


The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico...not England. And I said all immigrants coming in need to be checked. I concentrated on Mexico because that is where we are currently having the major problem. 1.2 million of them flow into this country every year illegally. No other nation even comes remotely close to that number.


......and you still haven't addressed antibiotic resistence.........




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