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RE: Agruing - 5/31/2007 12:43:54 PM   
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Domiguy - ROFL To be convinced that all the woman on collerme.com want to deep throat him and let him do them anally.
All men know that woman secretly fantasy about men's gentials. They may pretend on this site that they are lesbian but they really just need an introduction to a man who really knows how to treat a woman. It's hardwired into their bodys to yearn for the penitration of a man, hell even when they are with just woman they use a fake man to please themselves. Now after saying that I'll take it a step further. If a woman is on CM they don't want just most men can provide, they want to suck it, and feel it penitrate in places new and exciting. I know they fear that they won't be able to take it all in, but all they really need is to be taught. It's not they don't want to (because they do) it's because they are scared they can't handle it. (which they can) So stop suppressing your true desires, and pretending things you know aren't true. Ladies open up to the many possiblities of the Domidong.


I think a little longer dissertation might have been in order on  a topic of such depth and length.  Nonetheless, my friend you are an extremely skilled orator and for first time in my life I find myself truly stymied  by your argument and can think of not a single point that I nor any woman on CM could refute....I can only shake my head in disbelief as well as agreement.

Job well done.

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RE: Agruing - 5/31/2007 3:45:23 PM   
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Convice me that global warming is *not* due to increased solar activity.


Can that be proved one way or another?

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RE: Agruing - 5/31/2007 3:45:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		NeedToUseYou - To be convinced there there isn't a (highly technical) god
Hmm let me try again. What "constants" would be required to make god, who could make our universe. It would seem to make somethinig  more powerful and more complex would be the 2nd creation not the first. In other words why would the thing that's more difficult to make come before the thing that is simplier to make?

domiguy - Thanks! heh

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RE: Agruing - 5/31/2007 3:49:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well one I have never met anyone from on line, two do you mean raped as in scene or for real where someone showed it on cam, and knowing human nature as I do I am sure that has happened, answer to all of them is no.
 
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RE: Agruing - 5/31/2007 4:01:04 PM   
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Convice me that global warming is *not* due to increased solar activity.


Can that be proved one way or another?

beanie


Not definitively. However, the levels of solar activity used by the very dishonest Channel 4 doc you probably saw fell dramatically before the recent spike in global temperature. The temperature curve stays very close to global CO2 levels. That (along with a lot of historical data like ancient Antarctic ice cores) has convinced virtually all climate scientists that human-produced increases in CO2 are the *primary* cause of global warming. 

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RE: Agruing - 5/31/2007 8:46:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Convince me that people into the extremes of lifestyles eg: hippy, D/s, greenies etc, actauly have a brain and like the lifestyle as a whole that they have taken on. rather than take aspects of what they see and make their own lifestyle.

As i think myself so many see a life style they like and take it to the extremes taking it as gospal and i am betting thay take on the whole lifestyle because they think they have to or believe they have to ratther than think for themselves i am betting few actualy like all of any one lifestyle as a whole. me personaly i dont think they have a brain.

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RE: Agruing - 5/31/2007 10:49:51 PM   
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Do you want me to convince you they have a brain, or convince you that they enjoy every aspect of a certain sterotype lifestyle? Hmm here's both in one arguement.

None of us would agree that a stupid submissive should be prized more than a smart one. Someone who understands what they are giving up, has alot to give up, and is worth more than a doormat. If steping into a role or sterotype and fully embracing it makes someone stupid, then wouldn't we all be stupid? Ever time we give something a term like Dom or Masicist or pain slut we are sterotyping. In this way we aren't required to figure out every little detail of who we are, we can simply fall into the role and enjoy it. There is something very stable, secure, and rewarding about knowing your place and role and living it. And this has nothing to do with your I.Q.

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RE: Agruing - 6/1/2007 12:28:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Taking on something you enjoy and living it and enjoying it is not stupid, i just see people take on a whole life style when i suspect most dont like all it intails but get into it (all)for silly reasons like they want to prove they are into that lifestyle (that is stupid) rather than take from it what they know they will like and enjoy and make it part of their unique lifestyle that is theres.

hope i have explained it better this time.

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RE: Agruing - 6/1/2007 12:39:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		What about those who where born in a country and those that arrived in a country they are all citizen's now of the one country.

All should live by the same laws, but in two countries i see this is not so, which i dont aggree with, i think if you are a citizen of a country you should be abiding by the same laws as everyone else no matter if you where born there or not.

I want you to argue the other side of why there should be different rules for different races in the one country, i want to see if there is good reason why there are different rules for different people.  As i think this breeds racism or increases what racism that is about.

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RE: Agruing - 6/1/2007 12:57:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I believe it to be true that those posters who spice up their posts with a liberal use of the F word reveal without any doubt a sophisticated and profound level of insight about the subject they choose to discuss.

Some might say that since the F word can mean almost anything there is a problem, but that is to fail to recognise  the fact that it is that generality that is the source of the power of repeated and thoughtful use of the word. You see it makes the reader think, what exactly does the poster really mean ? A bit like those beautiful abstract works of modern art. One eyed women  and purple dots on an orange background, wonders to behold that without any doubt will endure in the human experience just as the masterpieces of yesteryear have. The same applies to dissonant modern classical and jazz music. Ornette Coleman or John Cage or some Benjamen Britte for example

To sum up I say Fuck off modern musicmakers and abstract artists and fucking well go and fuck your fucking selves all posters who regularly use the F word.


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RE: Agruing - 6/1/2007 9:39:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		ennaozzie - To convince her that there should be different laws for different races in the same country.
Everyone is different and has different needs. You wouldn't believe the law was fair if it stated "everyone must stand up when they pee" would you? Why not? The law wouldn't be a problem for men, but would be difficult for woman. I'm using a physical example because it's easy to see in a "right and wrong" sort of way. Sadly not all aspects are so easily catagorized. We all have special needs which apply to us, as we form groups with different backgrounds it makes sense to group us by common needs. Being born in America you don't understand the hardships that befalls people in other countries. You have no fear of the law taking your children into military at 13, your daughter forced into prostution as young as 6, and other various nasty and inhuman things. The people fleeing Castro are allowed to stay her, but the people from Mexico aren't simply because we don't want to force those people back into the hell that they left. Are the Asians any different when they sell themselves into slavery for transportation to the US? Most people's major problem is with the Mexican who fill our hospitals, schools, and workforce and are allowed to stay and cross the boarder. Most people also don't realize how many die in that attempt, and how the few who get here are near penniless. They have taken a leap of faith, that something is better than what they currently have. A blind leap of faith too. Think for a minute how much you would endure before you would pack only what you could carry and then make an attempt to break into a country which is trying to stop you from entering.

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RE: Agruing - 6/2/2007 1:49:53 AM   
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NeedToUseYou - To be convinced there there isn't a (highly technical) god
Hmm let me try again. What "constants" would be required to make god, who could make our universe. It would seem to make somethinig  more powerful and more complex would be the 2nd creation not the first. In other words why would the thing that's more difficult to make come before the thing that is simplier to make?

domiguy - Thanks! heh


You confuse the issue, the task as I took it, was to explain why God was necessary for our universe to exist, and couldn't exist with out  some outside influence in the beginning.

God as I'm explaining it wasn't created in our universe. So, the complex didn't come before the simple in our universe. It would be more like God came from a Mature Universe, set in motion a series of events in what we call the Universe. I fail to see how that doesn't register.

Essentially, in order to explain away an outside influence in causing the big bang. You'd either have to say.

1. That Matter just created itself from absolutely nothing(not space, but true totally empty nothingness). That violates all our understanding of everything. So, it would require a huge amount of faith.

2. The energy/matter was always there, and just decided to do something different and explode, for no reason. It wouldn't explode naturally, because there was no outside influence to change the parameters of its existance.


So, given that both of those circumstances require abandoning all of our understanding of matter/energy. Then the only logical conclusion is that the events were started because of new stimuli.

It's not an attempt to explain what "God" is or how it was done, but rather that something had to occur. Otherwise one would have to accept the premise that Nothing creates something, or that two exactly equal events can produce different. outcomes.   Change requires a stimulus.

What was stimulus?



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RE: Agruing - 6/2/2007 2:09:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		The so called science of the origin of things is at root just as faith based as any religious dogma.
The scientists are so wrapped up in their own egos that they just refuse see it. Thassal.
The acolytes cant see it !

In other words the subject reaches on unbreachable philosophical chasm or discontinuity with which science cannot deal. he he he he he

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RE: Agruing - 6/2/2007 2:29:45 AM   
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Have you ever met anyone who has been raped online?


I do, I do! Just last year there was a submissive who was telling anyone who would listen about her violent gang rape. Everyone was rushing to her to comfort her....only to find out later that the whole thing happened in a chat room. She was on the brink of being suicidal over it. She wanted to know how to go about prosecuting her "attackers" and was even worried that she might have become pregnant as a result of the "assault".

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RE: Agruing - 6/2/2007 2:33:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good argument MarkC, but I I was actually thinking more of the indigenous races of a country and those born in the same country but a different race as in ancestors come from a different country, so both races born in that country, both races consider the said country their country, but there are different laws for different communities and races.
 
That is what I don’t agree with or understand maybe you could come up with why that is so?
 
In New Zealand there are the Indigenous Maori (history books say where the first in New Zealand but this is not so, but they are considered the indigenous) and also descendants of England that where born there.
 
In Australia there is the aboriginal, and again descendants of England that where born here.
 
And America you have the American Indian, and you also have people that where born there that are not indigenous of the USA, but where born there so its their country also, no matter where ever their descendants might have migrated from.
 
All the above people mentioned where born in the same country, yet there are different laws for people born in the same country.  
 
Forget who migrated recently, who’s parents where not born there, these people where actually born there.
 
As far as I am concerned wither born there or not you should obey same law.
 
But give me one good reason why people born in the same country have different laws.   
 
 
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RE: Agruing - 6/2/2007 2:41:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Explain your thoughts on what you think of people that get into causes/lifestyles to the extremes, eg: religious nuts that push thier idea's on others and then argue the opersite view.

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RE: Agruing - 6/2/2007 7:19:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		NeedToUseYou - Still on the existence of god
I will try to explain it another way. Unvierses have to come from somewhere in your theory. They can't be simply created out of nothing and can't be created by themselfs at all without outside influence. The problem with your theory is that it makes it impossible to have a universe at all. God's mature universe was created how? And before you start in with someone else creating it, or it's always been, understand that anything you apply to how god was created from nothing, or it's always been this way will apply to our universe also. If god is infinate then why can't the "constants" you feel are so unlikely also be infinate.

mistoferin - hehe ya prosuction could be hard on that one I agree.

ennaozzie - On differences between natural born citizen.
In our country and in almost every other country we have inheritences. If your parents dies, the state simply doesn't get to keep thier stuff, it is past down to thier children. Why is this? The children didn't earn it, they didn't spent the time it took of hard work, sweat, and tears. Yet they still recieve the benfits of it. Such is the life of the America Indian. They are recieving something that is being past down from their ancestors. We stole land from them which we have given back. We protect them from outside forces, yet let them have their own laws in an effort to give them the inheritence of their parents.

ennaozzie -
On the zealots thing I'm not really sure what your looking for me to argue. Maybe something like Zealots are good, and then another arguement on why zealots are bad? Maybe something about why you would want to a zealot, and why you shouldn't become one? Maybe the glories of martyrdom versus the negative effects of sucide bombing? Maybe something about extreme bowlers and the migits that love them?

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RE: Agruing - 6/2/2007 9:55:20 AM   
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I have to go work on my pickup truck and/or my Mom's house, whichever comes first, but I gotta go do it, but I WILL BE BAAAAAAAAACK.

MarkC, are you familiar with the little mental exercise a physics teach gave "Is Hell exothermic or endothermic" ? The paper the one kid turned in is a legend, and also got an A. Someone around here probably has it. It was cool as hell, and I actually rebutted it, but not to the author, so it don't mean shit.

Cool as hell ? Yes I am rethinking that one, but I don't know quite what to replace it with so it stands.

You can tell it's Saturday can't you.

I go now.

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RE: Agruing - 6/2/2007 11:21:28 AM   
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NeedToUseYou - Still on the existence of god
I will try to explain it another way. Unvierses have to come from somewhere in your theory. They can't be simply created out of nothing and can't be created by themselfs at all without outside influence. The problem with your theory is that it makes it impossible to have a universe at all. God's mature universe was created how? And before you start in with someone else creating it, or it's always been, understand that anything you apply to how god was created from nothing, or it's always been this way will apply to our universe also. If god is infinate then why can't the "constants" you feel are so unlikely also be infinate.


You know I don't actually believe this right? I was responding to LadyEllen originally, and thought I'd give a cogent explanation a shot. For shits and giiggles. I guess I shouldn't have raided your game, but it looked fun. hehe.

Still though you've not shot the argument down in the least at all, you've simply tried to invalidate the argument because I can't offer an explanation of the creation of other universes. 

Essentially your argument is like

Me saying "Some intelligent being built this house" Pointing to the house.
and you saying "Well explain were did that intelligent being come from"
And me saying "I don't know, and what difference does that make, the structure of the house indicates intelligent influence?"
then you saying "If you can't explain where the intelligent being came from, how can the being build the house?"
Me again: "Because it required something to build it, and after studying the house scientists have said that houses don't have to look like that, and probably would never look like that, unless designed".
You saying again: "Were did the being come from".
Me saying: "What does it matter?, that's a different question".


Just because the chain of knowledge stops at a certain point, it doesn't invalidate the entire train of thought. If we used that as a standard literally nothing would be provable. Like we only know what composes atoms, down to far something like quarks, after that we have absolutely no idea what they are made of, but it is still a sound assumption they are made of something and quarks are the manifestation of that unknown. Your logic would presume that it is unsound logic to presume they are composed of something.

Anyway, it's hard to argue with someone when they change the parameters of the question.Which was essentially prove god exists(in our universe, not explain were god came from, that is a non-answerable question, as I've no access to other universes, dimensions, planes, etc..





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RE: Agruing - 6/2/2007 2:29:23 PM   
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When I was young, one of the excersises that my father made me do, was to argue something from a point of view I didn't have or couldn't have.(ie menstrual cycles make it worse to be a woman than to be a man) I found the exercise enjoyable and helpful. I was hoping some of you wouldn't mind giving me a side to argue. Please be clear about it. Just because you tell me a story about a single mother eating coconuts for lunch doesn't tell me what I'm arguing. Maybe I should have a problem with single mothers, or lunchs, or heck eating coconuts is EVIL! hehe I simply want it clear what point of view I'm arguing. My father used the tag line "Now convince me that I should "blah blah" if you could put that at the end of your post I would apprecaite it. Also I don't care about grammer and spelling that much. If it's OCD important to you then this won't be an enjoyable thread for you. Also please don't ask me to agrue something uninteresting. Eating Coconuts as evil would be a good example of that. And lastly no politics, I simply don't care enough about them to be informed enough to argue about them.

Thanks in advance,
Mark


FUCK you!!!!

(Now....make it believable gawdammit!)

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