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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen


And I'm sure there must also be quite a proportion of guys into feminisation because they are ashamed about their status as males. Accessing the feminine by way of crossdressing, they enjoy a temporary e
Elevation of status to the much higher in their minds, female; a person unaffected by and aloof from (apparently at least) the strong sexual drives that make these males feel like dirty little boys.

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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The panties are not used as humiliation, but as a symbol of ownership.  What is inside the panties is no longer his to do with as he pleases... but it is mine- all mine.  Having him wear panties under his work clothes, brings a constant awareness of this fact, and he carry with him a part of me when I am not there.  I also liked to get us matching panties for the same reason. He considered it an honor.
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

He'd be dressed in a too small house dress, knee high support hose with sensible shoes, a hairnet and clunky purse and sent to the drugstore to purchase douche and inconstancy diapers. 
 

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ORIGINAL: stella40

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ORIGINAL: Aliya

For me as long as the tv/sissy isn't presuming to 'be a woman' by doing this then it doesn't really insult me.

So are you saying a male to female transsexual in the early stages of their transition would be insulting you? Because they would want to be addressed as female because that is who they are inside, even if they don't yet have the physical characteristics. And if so, why would you find this insulting?

Or is it that you feel it is an affront that a TV/CD who puts on make up and women's clothing and demands to be perceived as a woman?

Please don't feel I am attacking you, or accusing you, but I'm just curious as to why you would perceive this as an insult.

Personally if a TV/CD/TS wants to be perceived as female and is living in female gender predominantly or 24/7 - irrespective of whether they wish to change their biological gender or not - I don't have an issue with this.

However I do have an issue with any of the above wishing to be perceived as female if they don't live full time in female gender but think that because they wear women's clothing and make up from time to time they have a right to be perceived as female. It annoys me when a TV tries to pass himself off as a TS e.g. on a personals site because I've seen how much damage it can do to the whole transgendered community as it can so easily turn a non-transgendered person against those who are transgendered.

However this is rare and most TG's are open and honest about why they crossdress and where they stand in the gender spectrum.

I'm just curious to know why someone would be offended by the way another person chooses to present themself.

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ORIGINAL: Aliya

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ORIGINAL: stella40

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ORIGINAL: Aliya

For me as long as the tv/sissy isn't presuming to 'be a woman' by doing this then it doesn't really insult me.

So are you saying a male to female transsexual in the early stages of their transition would be insulting you? Because they would want to be addressed as female because that is who they are inside, even if they don't yet have the physical characteristics. And if so, why would you find this insulting?

Or is it that you feel it is an affront that a TV/CD who puts on make up and women's clothing and demands to be perceived as a woman?

Please don't feel I am attacking you, or accusing you, but I'm just curious as to why you would perceive this as an insult.

Personally if a TV/CD/TS wants to be perceived as female and is living in female gender predominantly or 24/7 - irrespective of whether they wish to change their biological gender or not - I don't have an issue with this.

However I do have an issue with any of the above wishing to be perceived as female if they don't live full time in female gender but think that because they wear women's clothing and make up from time to time they have a right to be perceived as female. It annoys me when a TV tries to pass himself off as a TS e.g. on a personals site because I've seen how much damage it can do to the whole transgendered community as it can so easily turn a non-transgendered person against those who are transgendered.

However this is rare and most TG's are open and honest about why they crossdress and where they stand in the gender spectrum.

I'm just curious to know why someone would be offended by the way another person chooses to present themself.

Insult in retrospect seems like too strong a word.

And I am pre-op transsexual woman, living FT now for 3 years.

In the grand scheme of things I think if it's something one enjoys then femininization is harmless fun if both parties are into it. I've played with guys into various levels of femminization. It's fine, although not something I'm inclined to go looking for in the future.

I have been witness to guys saying they are women because they crossdress, or they pop hormone pills, or because they have a submissive personality. It bothers me that they boil being a woman down to such simplistic definitions.

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen


And I'm sure there must also be quite a proportion of guys into feminisation because they are ashamed about their status as males. Accessing the feminine by way of crossdressing, they enjoy a temporary e
Elevation of status to the much higher in their minds, female; a person unaffected by and aloof from (apparently at least) the strong sexual drives that make these males feel like dirty little boys.

This is the best explanation I've heard.  Thank you, Ellen.  I do understand a bit better now.

However, after I read it, I thought why wouldn't the male then strive to clean up his own male act in his male personna? (rhetorically presented for thought) 

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ORIGINAL: aviinterra

Let me start off by saying that I am not into having my sub cross dress or feminizing him. ..

It would seem to me that we should reserve our own unique attributes of femininity to ourselves, and perhaps raise it up, where it should be, above all that is masculine if we are truly to dominate our boys. Wearing a skirt should be a reward, not a punishment or humilation, and it should make the sub feel proud nor degraded. It almost seems to me like a lot us find all that is female degrading subconsciously, a social lesson from the world around us that goes down so deep that even when we think we are acting dominant, we are still bending to the male, making ourselves in the end ( unknowingly ) submissive.


Ok, reading over what I just wrote makes me wonder if it makes sense or if I am just thinking too much this morning. But please, feel free to comment.

--Avi

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I've  mentioned this before. If a male sub wants me to dress him as a female to humiliate him. I'll show him what it is like to be an old female in this world.
 
He'd be dressed in a too small house dress, knee high support hose with sensible shoes, a hairnet and clunky purse and sent to the drugstore to purchase douche and inconstancy diapers. 
 
Forget the slut and whore personnas- that's the male's fantasy.

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ORIGINAL: aviinterra

As dominant women, how do we explain using the very attributes of ourselves ( feminine ) to humilate a sub? In essence, does such an act not make the feminine somehow lesser to the masculine, i.e. it is more humiliating to be in a skirt rather than pants, and a man in a skirt is somehow less- more like a woman? It would seem to me that we should reserve our own unique attributes of femininity to ourselves, and perhaps raise it up, where it should be, above all that is masculine if we are truly to dominate our boys. Wearing a skirt should be a reward, not a punishment or humilation, and it should make the sub feel proud nor degraded. It almost seems to me like a lot us find all that is female degrading subconsciously, a social lesson from the world around us that goes down so deep that even when we think we are acting dominant, we are still bending to the male, making ourselves in the end ( unknowingly ) submissive.