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"America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/1/2007 4:42:05 PM

popeye1250

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Here he goes again!
Bush is now trying to play some type of race or ethnic card to get his P.O.S. Bill passed!
Boy did he sound desperate on the News tonight!
I wonder if Fox will play that clip or put something else in instead?
And Senator Lindsey Graham is lying his way across our state begging for support as well!
Man! What a Salesjob they're trying to do on this pos!
Why would Bush say that "America should not be afraid of diversity?" Doesn't this boob realise that America is *the most* diverse country in the whole world?
How can he make such a dumb statement?
I don't know anyone who's "afraid of diversity!" lol
Lou Dobbs said there's "hundreds of amendments to this Bill."
That's reason enough to vote against it!
And you *KNOW* there's plenty in it that big business wants!
Your thoughts please.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/1/2007 4:43:50 PM

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Popeye,
just a quick question please. Why do you say the USA is the most diverse nation?

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/1/2007 4:47:45 PM

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If you know of another one name it.
Does anyone on earth think that America is not diverse?
Maybe George Bush!

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/1/2007 4:50:10 PM

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Popeye,
That wasn't my point. i don't think the USA is more diverse than other countries such as Canada,or England.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/1/2007 4:52:10 PM

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We are not afraid of diversity. We are just acutely aware of what happened to the Aztec civilization.

How was their hospitality rewarded? Getting cleaned out financially, given european diseases, their culture destroyed and just about cross-bred out of exisitance.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/1/2007 5:02:36 PM

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We are not afraid of diversity. We are just acutely aware of what happened to the Aztec civilization.

How was their hospitality rewarded? Getting cleaned out financially, given european diseases, their culture destroyed and just about cross-bred out of exisitance.

And the Roman Empire.

The Romans allowed a large number of people into their borders. They were not called immigrants, they called them "barbarians." The Visagoths I think it was, Rome actually allowed into their borders, and they actually tried to sack Rome a few times.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/1/2007 5:21:21 PM

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most diverse nation on earth.......!!

Parts of the US may be diverse and there are certainly regional variations but after travelling through 22 states over the last 2 years there is an enormous uniformity in may aspects. Take the racial look aspect out of the equation and it is not so diverse as is sometimes projected. Also the tendancy to economics based segregation results in non diversity in many areas. I can't statistically challenge this but my experience is that many other parts of earth are equally diverse. London, Netherlands, Travel from Tibet to Beijing and there are just a few regional varieties. If you consider the European Union as a similar sized entity to the US on population and Economy then diveristy takes a whole new meaning...........

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/1/2007 7:01:38 PM

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well- we have a statue. a gift from France. this is why we are diverse.

Polish and German can live in peace here. Germany invaded Poland how many times??

New Jersey never invaded Pennsylvania.

See?

I agree with Popeye.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 5:59:50 AM

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I see it's one of those uses of English where it has different meenings on different sides of the Atlantic.

On the east side it means variety, variation, difference.

On the western side it means we havn't had a civil war since ................?

LOL . no offence really pahunkboy, but my response was aimed at the misrepresentation that the US is somehow more diverse and has a greater mixture of people, faiths, races, opinions than any other country. Whilst a few parts of it are very diverse, LA, San Fransisco, New York etc and there has been mass immigration in the recent past, when you travel coast to coast by road it is not a divese nation .........in human terms.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 6:11:29 AM

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please read your history, its the same damn europeans that killed the Great Nations, took their children away, cheated those that survived of their freedom and put them in reservations. every one of you is here illegally. the lands were fraudently obtained. the Nations did not give anyone visas.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 6:55:27 AM

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Hey.....1770s onwards they were Americans.... lol .............

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 8:36:42 AM

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I see it's one of those uses of English where it has different meenings on different sides of the Atlantic.

On the east side it means variety, variation, difference.

On the western side it means we havn't had a civil war since ................?

LOL . no offence really pahunkboy, but my response was aimed at the misrepresentation that the US is somehow more diverse and has a greater mixture of people, faiths, races, opinions than any other country. Whilst a few parts of it are very diverse, LA, San Fransisco, New York etc and there has been mass immigration in the recent past, when you travel coast to coast by road it is not a divese nation .........in human terms.

the predominent cullture/language issssssssssssssssssss
Americannnnnnnn.

the EU was formed to emulate America. some EU states resent giving up their long held identities.

taken at its most basic roots- the indigious indian - the peoples whom have subsisted here for 40,000 years- are chronic Americans.

France can shove their culture up the widget.

diversity is when nazis made sure ALL undesirables gold filling were taken- so this is abit of such. being a young country- the thinking goes- the US has no history.

a bunch of thugs threw some tea in the harbor= as to protest taxation with out representation.

Ammerican citzenship, is the highest honor one can achieve. Folks have built rafts- sold kidneys, married illegally, pulled every scam there is to get to be here.

True diversity would consist of 3% of any new immigrants to be non-hispanic.

quite frankly i get tired of the samba ramba fiesta music where 20 maria lopezes all use the same ID.

Amefican culture- can not co-exist in its most delightfull form- when blah-d-da people are hogging up all the space.

There are 184 countries on the planet. 183 of them are short changed by Mexicans who willingly come to do slave labor.

True diversity- would be for those folks- [5.7 billion] to be properly represented.

Ild say bailing Europe out twice from tyranny- was a gracious gesture per the US

Serbia croatia- serbs, new jersey.
just a few short years ago...... cosmopolitan Europe once again slid into bloodshed.

There is no greater place then America.

A few weeks ago- french buring cars and the cities. all over an election.

the western world rides on the coat tails of the USA.
y'all need energy just as we do.

if this sounds arrogant. lets ask the Amish. they live w no electric or power 24-7. so- my advice is to give America a good ole fashioned azz kicking. develop solar/alt energy. SHOW US that YOUUUU got it right. thus far- all i see is folks pointing fingers.

ps- Maria Lopez, your food stamps got mixed up again. speak english.

all that lovely coastal beach front land in Mexico- and i cant own any of it. only mexicans can.

biometrics is here= aand stop having 20 people pose as 1.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 10:42:59 AM

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please read your history, its the same damn europeans that killed the Great Nations, took their children away, cheated those that survived of their freedom and put them in reservations. every one of you is here illegally. the lands were fraudently obtained. the Nations did not give anyone visas.

They knew no better. The white Europeans never saw another race until they started migration. They didn't know they were human. They thought they were a type of animal. Again, ignorance on their part. And as Oprah says "When you know better, you do better"

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 11:02:55 AM

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Thats just nonsense Light hearted Maam. Europeons had been dealing with other races, for thousands of years before 1492. They were fully aware that the Aztecs were people.

Dtesomac, try getting off the Freeways/Interstates while driving. You will see a very diverse Nation. Watch less TV, and talk to the people around you, this is an incredibly diverse nation.

China does have many conquered nations as part of its make up, so it is a diverse place also. But everyone of thier groups is also represented in America. Same goes if you pretend Europe is one country. Every group there is also in America. The USA is as diverse as China and the Eu combined, plus massive African, Latin, South Pacific and indeginous populations.

America is by far the most diverse nation that has ever existed, in any catagory you want to use.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 11:23:36 AM

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Luckydog, maybe someone should tell George Bush that!
What a LAME thing to say to try to sell this bill that no-one wants.
In this state Lindsey Graham has been trying to "sell" it too.
But, the people (voters) aren't buying it.
Anytime *any* politician tries to *sell us* on something we should be very wary!
And Graham is *firmly* in the pockets of big business!
He's not very smart though, he's up for re-election in 2008.
Guess what we're going to do to him?

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 11:33:42 AM

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Thats just nonsense Light hearted Maam. Europeons had been dealing with other races, for thousands of years before 1492. They were fully aware that the Aztecs were

They saw them, they just considered them some sort of sub-human way back then with their only value being their gold. Cortez was there to plunder, not build.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 11:38:55 AM

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That is simply not true Light hearted Maam. Cortez brought the misionaries along, and forced conversion to Christianity was part of his goal. Christians DO NOT Baptize animals, they fully considered the Aztecs and thier conquered peoples to be Human. The Portugese found an inland tribe of Pygmies, deep in the rainforest, and were not sure about that one specific group. So they captured a few and took them to the Pope, who proclaimed them human

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 2:47:00 PM

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How anyone can claim that the US is not culturally and racially diverse beats me. It clearly is !!!
BUT
Unfortunately such diversity gives rise to major problems, so what do PC liberals in the UK do ?
They say well social diversity is a wonderful ideal, which it is, lets copy the US and allow massive immigration . What follows? Exactly the kind of divisions that exist in the US.
Lets all go to hell together lol

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 4:14:27 PM

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Dtesomac, try getting off the Freeways/Interstates while driving. You will see a very diverse Nation. Watch less TV, and talk to the people around you, this is an incredibly diverse nation. Only part of USA I have not routinely been going to for the last 2 years is the South East. 22 States visited routinely with constant requirement to work for, with and command !!. TV not something I watch in the US, adverts make it a waste of time in addition to the crap thats on it. .............. : ) If only the places I had to go to were on the Interstates it would be a lot bloody easier ........... I refute your statement.   ; ) . I do have a different starting perspective to many Americans though so perhaps a fresh set of eyes & ears sees and hears more. ?

China does have many conquered nations as part of its make up, so it is a diverse place also. But everyone of thier groups is also represented in America. Same goes if you pretend Europe is one country. Every group there is also in America.  The USA is as diverse as China and the Eu combined, plus massive African, Latin, South Pacific and indeginous populations. As I think I stated in my text I agreed that parts of the US are diverse, however to give you an analogy if you take the fruits of the world.... in the US they are put into a liquidiser and become a homogenous smoothy. There may be some lumpy bits but it is changed and and has a degree of sameness. In other parts of the world it is a fruit salad....... each glorious flavour is still there to be savoured. ....!
Drive from San Fransico to New York, get off the road at small towns and appart from on the coasts there is miles of the bland Mid West Mush. Tumbling down houses, pick ups, SUVs, the stores with the same items in. Look on the menues of the eating places.................. sooooooooooooooo same. Talk to the people and have the introverted ill educated , ill informed comments. Yellowstone park is bigger than Britain, do they have running water in London, what language do they speak in England...........
An attitude ... where else in the world will people so openly voice the viewpoint that all muslims are evil and that killing them is the solution. .. ok .. in France the racism is nearly as evident in that they blame North Africans for all crime.....

I do not refute riots, ills of Europe, oppresion of Russia, corruption of other countries, what I do not get ..... even after in depth experience of it... is why some many Americans are blind and so jingoistic about their own country. ... often with out even having steped out of their own state let alone another country. When repaetedly I have people comment that I have travelled and spent more time in other parts of the states than they have, and yet to the core they believe only American things ar the best...........

My point was to question popeyes sweeping statement about the diversity of the US. Diveristy is more than colour of skin.

America is by far the most diverse nation that has ever existed, in any catagory you want to use. Thinking, perspective, longterm planning, ............ may be you were once correct, but not today.

A last comment. I am not as anti American as it sounds, but I am certainly not "getting" America .. somehow I am missing what the Americans see....., or is it a case of the emperors new clothes ?

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 4:19:31 PM

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And the Roman Empire.

The Romans allowed a large number of people into their borders. They were not called immigrants, they called them "barbarians." The Visagoths I think it was, Rome actually allowed into their borders, and they actually tried to sack Rome a few times.

"Barbarian" is from the Greeks, meaning "one who doesn't speak intelligibly." Kind of funny, when you consider that nowadays we'd say, "it's all Greek to me."

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