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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 4:30:41 PM   
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I see it's one of those uses of English where it has different meenings on different sides of the Atlantic.

On the east side it means variety, variation, difference.

On the western side it means we havn't had a civil war since ................?

LOL . no offence really pahunkboy, but my response was aimed at the misrepresentation that the US is somehow more diverse and has a greater mixture of people, faiths, races, opinions than any other country. Whilst a few parts of it are very diverse, LA, San Fransisco, New York etc and there has been mass immigration in the recent past, when you travel coast to coast by road it is not a divese nation .........in human terms.


the predominent cullture/language issssssssssssssssssss
Americannnnnnnn.

the EU was formed to emulate America. some EU states resent giving up their long held identities.  mmmm I'll think on this one.

taken at its most basic roots- the indigious indian - the peoples whom have subsisted here for 40,000 years- are chronic Americans. - 1% of the population...........

France can shove their culture up the widget......... southern France should be visited and savoured... but say you are a Canadian.  

diversity is when nazis made sure ALL undesirables gold filling were taken- so this is abit of such. being a young country- the thinking goes- the US has no history. History is what the vistor writes..... all countries have periods of nastiness, it does not make the modern generation responsible for the sins of the past, they are responsible for ensuring it is not repeated.


Ammerican citzenship, is the highest honor one can achieve. Folks have built rafts- sold kidneys, married illegally, pulled every scam there is to get to be here. Pew Research Centre Global Attitudes Project survey 2005 in 16 countries to the question Suppose a young person who wanted to leave this country asked you to recomend where to go to lead a good life , what country would you recomend? - America was recomended less than 10% in 13 out of 16 countries. Your viewpoint is one based upon jingositic nationlism rather than expereince and knowledge.


Ild say bailing Europe out  twice from tyranny- was a gracious gesture per the US - when a player comes onto the pitch late in the last quater / period and scores the winning points in the match..... who won the match......... possibly one...but two !!!!

Serbia croatia- serbs, new jersey.
just a few short years ago...... cosmopolitan Europe  once again slid into bloodshed.- humans, so blood thirsty.

There is no greater place then America. based on personal comparison with where........ an perhaps not if you are ...sick .......poor ....... muslim ........ look muslim ......... are native american ......... live in Louisiana ....... live in Small town North Dakota ........ bit of a sweeping statement that one.

A few weeks ago- french buring cars and the cities. all over an election. What better reason than who controls your destiny ............. police officers beating up a coloured motorist ..... 

the western world rides on the coat tails of the USA. so very true for such a long time ...but now it appears that the US is riding away from Western Democracy ....... I wonder if there have ever been other civilisations, / countries that have ridden on the coat tails of another and then turned round and said... hey we don't need you anymore, and take your tea with you.... :)


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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 5:44:43 PM   
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my post was abit on the fringe side.

the premise of the original post- was that the US is not diverse- [hint- take in more illegals]

bush is a nightmare- and yes- it appears we abandoned the brilliance---  bush is NOT America. America is her people- whom came from every corner of the globe.

there is alot of frustration inside the US- bush is the worst president ever- and if anyone should be in the streets- it should be us.

-regards

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 5:53:22 PM   
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In reply:

my post was abit on the fringe side.

the premise of the original post- was that the US is not diverse- [hint- take in more illegals]

bush is a nightmare- and yes- it appears we abandoned the brilliance---  bush is NOT America. America is her people- whom came from every corner of the globe.

there is alot of frustration inside the US- bush is the worst president ever- and if anyone should be in the streets- it should be us.

-regards


panukboy - when ever reading my points always look for the humour underneath............. : ) most of my American colleagues seem to actually like me ......  !!  And a few have started toiunderstand that when a Brit says "ummm its interesting" it means ........ this food is crap .............. and one told me that in a resteraunt full of Americans in Iowa when I was trying to be diplomatic. ....... they really do dish out to me as much as I give to them.... my key aim is to try and figure out what I am not understanding about America......

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 6:00:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dtesmoac

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In reply:

my post was abit on the fringe side.

the premise of the original post- was that the US is not diverse- [hint- take in more illegals]

bush is a nightmare- and yes- it appears we abandoned the brilliance---  bush is NOT America. America is her people- whom came from every corner of the globe.

there is alot of frustration inside the US- bush is the worst president ever- and if anyone should be in the streets- it should be us.

-regards


panukboy - when ever reading my points always look for the humour underneath............. : ) most of my American colleagues seem to actually like me ......  !!  And a few have started toiunderstand that when a Brit says "ummm its interesting" it means ........ this food is crap .............. and one told me that in a resteraunt full of Americans in Iowa when I was trying to be diplomatic. ....... they really do dish out to me as much as I give to them.... my key aim is to try and figure out what I am not understanding about America......



America does not understand America.  Come to Pennsylvania for a week. 

A good idea- will stand on its own weight.

I am not mad at anyone on the board. There is a frustration that Washington has run-a-muck.  It is all for the mega rich. The larger good is out the window.

If you do visit the US- find a small town. The boystrous tourist that travels abroad- is not a good representation of the population.

300,000,000 people. all with various walks of life.

-smashing !!!   :-)

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 6:30:55 PM   
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please read your history, its the same damn europeans that killed the Great Nations, took their children away, cheated those that survived of their freedom and put them in reservations. every one of you is here illegally.  the lands were fraudently obtained. the Nations did not give anyone visas.

Without debating the accuracy of that statement, it was a long time ago. The facts as they stand in the present are, we would both be speaking either German or Japanese right now if there hadn't been both those "damn europeans" and your people (and a lot of others) here to do something about it. Those of us here now have all earned our right to stay. Get over it.
 
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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/2/2007 7:02:26 PM   
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Actually Demstoc, I think your job keeps sending you to the same sorts of places, shopping malls or osmething similar.  There are white bread suburbs in every state, but that is not the total of any state.  Your opinion is quite ignorant.  There is an amazing amount of diversity of every kind in the area between the coasts.  Try eating in restuarants that are not in stripmalls.  The idea that all resturants sell the same food in America is nonsense.  there is a Mac donalds in most every town, but there are other places also.  How could you not find different menus (or cultures) in Colorado (incredible mexican food) and Amish country?  Or in Memphis compared to the Ute reservation?  Or Texas compared to Minnessotta .  The idea that all there is between the coasts are run down midwestern homes is utter ignorance.  I think you will find fringe groups that hate muslims in every western nation.  Please point out a single significant American leader who says "all muslims are evil and that killing them is the solution".    There is plenty of diverse thoughts on where America should go and its "Thinking, perspective, longterm planning"  simply watching us Americans argue on this forum should exemplify that.  If not the voting results.  To pretend there is uniform thought or a lack of diversity in america is utter nonsense.  Please give a concrete example of a more diverse nation.

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RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/3/2007 1:46:41 AM   
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America is by far the most diverse nation that has ever existed, in any catagory you want to use.


You can't get out of the US very often if you really believe your statement to be true.

It is Americans that labeled Europe, Eurabia, I guess Europe is only diverse when it suits certain Americans. One of my American friends who lives here said he wished the races mixed in the USA as freely as they mix here in western Europe. He is mainly talking about the Germanic(Northern) Europe rather than Latin Europe. I've never travelled in the midwest but on both coasts of the US, I don't see any more diversity than is here and I certainly don't see the races missing as freely as they do in western Europe. I certainly never daw more diversity than the is in Canada.

According to Wikipedia there are 75% white, 13% black, 5% Asian and 5% other in the USA.

Netherlands
  • Dutch 80.8%
  • German 2.4%
  • Indonesian (Indo-European, Indo-Dutch, Moluccan) 2.4%
  • Turkish 2.2%
  • Surinamese 2.0%
  • Moroccan 1.9%
  • Indians/Hindoestanen 1.5%
  • Antillean and Aruban 0.8%
  • other 6.0%

United Kingdom





White British

85.67%

White (other)

5.27%

Indian

1.8%

Pakistani

1.3%

White Irish

1.2%

Mixed race

1.2%

Black Caribbean

1.0%

Black African

0.8%

Bangladeshi

0.5%

Asian (non-Chinese)

0.4%

Chinese (Oriental)

0.4%

Other

0.4%

Black (others)

0.2%


France doesn't keep statistics of race or religion but with an estimated 10% of the population being muslim, one can assume they are Arab or other muslim immigrants. Anyone who has spent time in France must come to the conclusion that there are probably a lot more none whites in France than the UK.

Religion (self identity)- The USA has 50% of people describing themselves as Protestant, 25% as Catholic, 1.4% Jewish, 0.5 % muslim, 0.5% Hindu

In the UK, only 51% of people describe themselves as Christian.(7% practicing)

Netherlands, only 39% of people are affiliated to a religion.

France
  • 51% of people polled identified as being Catholics.
  • 31% of those polled declared being agnostics or atheists. (Another poll [34] concluded that 27% identified as being atheists.)
  • 10% of those polled identified as being from other religions or being without opinion.
  • 4% identified as Muslim.
  • 3% as Protestant.
  • 1% as Jewish

    I guess secularism in modern Europe helps with cohesian so that can be seen as a plus for diversity.

    Languages. The US has on the whole, two, Spanish and English.

    Canada has two. French and English.

    The EU has 15 official languages (at the last count, I think that has increased.) But within each country.

    I speak and regularly use four languages.

    But one of the most racially and culturally diverse nations must be South Africa where there is 80% black made up of 9 ethnic groups.

    In the modern world the US is no more racially and probably less culturally diverse than many other nations with its insistence on swearing an oath of allegiance and monotone media.

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/3/2007 2:32:57 AM   
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    Ok I guess we can play with statistics and get any ocnclusion one wants.  I do not see the validity of comparing 100% (france's religous break down) with the 80% of Americans you list.  If 60% some percent of a nation agree on Athiesm, that seems less diverse than the large religous pluralism in America.  Protestants are very diverse... baptists, Lutherans, and  Episcoplaians are all very different.  Mormans are technically Protestants also.  You say that 10% of France is muslim, then you cite 4%.  I really do not consider the variations on German and Latin to be all that diverse.  I worked alongside Scilians and Ecuadorans in a restuarant in College  (down in Dixieland back in the 80s) and they could understand each other on a functional level just fine.  

    I am not arguing that Europe has no diversity.  I am saying that every culture in Europe is also represented in the USA, along with many ones that are not in Europe.  Which is how I define Diversity.  If you define it differently we must simply disagree on terms, and arguing is futile.  I will admit I live in one of the most diverse cities in the Nation, so perhaps my perception is off to a degree.

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/3/2007 4:23:01 AM   
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    I am not arguing that Europe has no diversity.  I am saying that every culture in Europe is also represented in the USA, along with many ones that are not in Europe.  Which is how I define Diversity.  If you define it differently we must simply disagree on terms, and arguing is futile.  I will admit I live in one of the most diverse cities in the Nation, so perhaps my perception is off to a degree.


    I was just responding to you and I quoted you America is by far the most diverse nation that has ever existed, in any catagory you want to use.

    You say in your reply I am saying that every culture in Europe is also represented in the USA, along with many ones that are not in Europe. I doubt this is accurate either, there are in Europe large unassimilated muslim communities that just don't exist in the US. Yes there are muslims in the US (0.5%) but the majority are middleclass professionals that have assimilated or are disaffected blacks that have converted to Islam.

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/3/2007 7:31:00 AM   
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    3 year old children attending a Nursery who have been in America for 8 months whether they will or will not be staying are able to say the pledge of allegiance to the Flag and to recite some nonsense about My Flag .................... diversity or putting into the liquidiser of Americana ?
    9 Year Old Chinese & Russian child who succumed to the US obsession with the pledge and standf up and say the pledge ................... liquidiser
     
    Thought control starts very young in the US.

    Actually Dtesmoac I think your job keeps sending you to the same sorts of places, shopping malls or osmething similar.  Bars, Road side stops, restraunts, manufacturing plants, YMCAs, Borders bookshops, State parks, National Parks, arranging training and conference events ("don't use that menu no-one will choose from it put Walleye and Rib Eye on the menu ...... yep they all went for W & R) sportsevents, theatres, museums ... . at locations from Major cities to Small Town, back of beyond USA, from Tourist venues to fishing cabins ......... yep I've really not got around ... lol  .  As stated I did say there was diversity I refuted the sweeping US statement of we are the most diverse nation ..blah, blah, blah ..... there are pockets of diversity with an underlying and tangible............ sameness in large parts of the US.
     
    There are white bread suburbs in every state, but that is not the total of any state.   - no but is the aspiration of many Americans ..... and has great influence!

    Your opinion is quite ignorant.  experience based is never ignorant it can however be only part of the picture, so I come onto web sites and use other media to see if my conclusions appear to be correct.... touch a nerve with someone and the rant begins,....... .  

    There is an amazing amount of diversity of  every kind in the area between the coasts. In some places ........and in other countries there is equivalent diveristy .. in places. ..... again check what I actually said.
     Try eating in restuarants that are not in stripmalls. Done that, still do,  quote" man walks in, sits down at service counter, looks at news and states we should only fil them planes to gitmo half full of fuel thats how to deal with muslims..... end quote ..... o yes good ole boy America in action.
    The idea that all resturants sell the same food in America is nonsense.  there is a Mac donalds in most every town, but there are other places also.  How could you not find different menus (or cultures) in Colorado (incredible mexican food) and Amish country?  Or in Memphis compared to the Ute reservation?  Or Texas compared to Minnessotta .  The idea that all there is between the coasts are run down midwestern homes is utter ignorance. - go to a strip Mall in America and it could be in any of the states - having to go look for the cultural diversity means it is not mainstream to American Culture.....  change your view and look for the differences ........ go to the samll towns and the menus on the non franchise places will be so the same ....... culinary diversity .....yes if you can travel far enough ......
    I think you will find fringe groups that hate muslims in every western nation.  yes agree Please point out a single significant American leader who says "all muslims are evil and that killing them is the solution"...... go talk to your country men luckydog. Politicians say what they need to people when at ease say what they think...eventually.
    There is plenty of diverse thoughts on where America should go and its "Thinking, perspective, longterm planning"  simply watching us Americans argue on this forum should exemplify that.  If not the voting results.  To pretend there is uniform thought or a lack of diversity in america is utter nonsense.  refer to earlier statements .... Ra, Ra ,Ra ,   USA, USA, USA, USA ..... does not constitue reality. refer again to furit salad analogy.
     
    Please give a concrete example of a more diverse nation. With the exception of parts of California and New York, ............ France, UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Brazil,
    In comparison with the I80 from Reno to Cleveland excluding Chicago ......... Outer Mongolia ............ lol .... ; )

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/3/2007 10:47:17 AM   
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    Yeah meat I agree, there are more muslims in Europe.  While there are more East Asians, Pacific Islanders, and Native Americans and Innuits in America.  I am sure there are a few Athabascans living somewhere in Europe, yet no communities where they still speak Gwichin, as there are in the USA(and Canada).  You have a lot more Pakistanis, we have more Chinese and Koreans.  I still think we have a greater number of disparate groups.  Due to Geography and History, in some ways the Muslims who come North (to the place they were exploited form)are similar to the Mexicans who come North(to the place where they were exploited from).  And we do have huge un assimilated communities of them.

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/3/2007 10:49:14 AM   
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    "In comparison with the I80 from Reno to Cleveland excluding Chicago ......... Outer Mongolia ............ lol .... ; )"
    I told you in my first posting to get away from the freeway to see the real America.  Sure I guess if you get to cut out the diverse parts you can pretend the way you do.

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/3/2007 12:07:13 PM   
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    Ok I guess we can play with statistics and get any ocnclusion one wants.  I do not see the validity of comparing 100% (france's religous break down) with the 80% of Americans you list.  If 60% some percent of a nation agree on Athiesm, that seems less diverse than the large religous pluralism in America.  Protestants are very diverse... baptists, Lutherans, and  Episcoplaians are all very different.  Mormans are technically Protestants also.  You say that 10% of France is muslim, then you cite 4%.  I really do not consider the variations on German and Latin to be all that diverse.  I worked alongside Scilians and Ecuadorans in a restuarant in College  (down in Dixieland back in the 80s) and they could understand each other on a functional level just fine.  

    I am not arguing that Europe has no diversity.  I am saying that every culture in Europe is also represented in the USA, along with many ones that are not in Europe.  Which is how I define Diversity.  If you define it differently we must simply disagree on terms, and arguing is futile.  I will admit I live in one of the most diverse cities in the Nation, so perhaps my perception is off to a degree.


    Luckydog, I think you're wrong on a couple of points there.
    "The Baptist perpetuity sees Baptists as seperate from Catholicism and other religious denominations and considers that since the Baptist movement predates the Catholic Church it is (not) part of the Protestant Reformation."
    Also, there is no central heirarchy (each and every Baptist Church is a seperate entity- a "Congregational method" as opposed to a central authority) and women cannot be Ordained in a Baptist Church unlike in most denominations of Protestant Churches.
    So by their own admission, Baptists are not "Protestants."
    I guess you could call it a stand-alone Church.
    As for Mormons I really don't think you could call that a "Protestant Denomination" either as they're not an offshoot of The Church of England, Lutherin Church, Presbyterian, Episcopal, or Methodist Church and they too were not part of the Protestant Reformation.
    I know some Mormons and they always refer to themselves or the Church as, "L.D.S." "latter day saints."
    So that is also a "stand alone Church."
    Since neither one of these Churches were ever a part of the Roman Catholic Church they never "Protested" against it- "Protestant" one who protesteth against the Roman Catholic Church.

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/3/2007 12:15:26 PM   
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    all that lovely coastal beach front land in Mexico- and i cant own any of it. only mexicans can.


    I don't think that's correct.
     
    "What do Mexicans think of this American invasion of their beaches? Rosarito's city fathers are rolling out the welcome mat. Juvenal Arias is president of the tourist bureau.

    "We get along with them very well," he said. "There's no problem about it. People who live and buy a lot, a house in Rosarito, they pay their taxes. So that's good for our economy."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/25/sunday/main704257.shtml


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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/3/2007 2:38:36 PM   
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    Popeye,
    just a quick question please.  Why do you say the USA is the most diverse nation?

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    Minnetar, I wasn't inferring that there (aren't) other countries that are diverse as well.
    There are plenty of examples of that.
    But the U.S. is "known" for being "diverse" and it was a very *weak* and stupid  argument for Bush to use to try to push this Amnesty Bill that no-one wants.
    Is he trying to say that we don't have enough Hispanics in the country right now?
    Just who was he referring to when he said that, "Americans shouldn't be afraid of diversity?"
    Is there some "study" that we're unaware of that says that Americans (are) afraid of diversity?
    And just who are those Americans?
    Surely he must know that the American People "know" that he wants to do this to benefit *Big Business* and not the American People!
    Does he think that The American People are stupid?

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/3/2007 4:10:43 PM   
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    I think if diveristy is so great then I wonder why a certain segment of the celebration keeps fleeing areas of greatest diversity, e.g. California, New York etc. Was Gov Lamm right?

    We are the only country in history that ever deliberately changed its ethnic makeup, and history has few examples of 'diversity' creating a stable society.
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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/4/2007 12:18:28 AM   
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    I still think we have a greater number of disparate groups.  Due to Geography and History, in some ways the Muslims who come North (to the place they were exploited form)are similar to the Mexicans who come North(to the place where they were exploited from).  And we do have huge un assimilated communities of them.


    I think you forget just how big and varied the British Empire was and until the end of the sixties all could settle in the UK. Add to that, the Portugeese, French, Dutch, Belgium, Spanish empires and you have people from literally all over the world settling in Europe. These peoples can now move freely around the EU because borders are only lightly monitored if at all. Where the US has the illegal immigrants from Mexico, Europe has the illegal immigrants from Africa and the Middle East.

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/4/2007 1:05:42 AM   
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    General reply about the Spainish and the Indigenous peoples of Mexico - from Wikipedia


    "Fate of the Aztec empire under Spanish rule"

    " It seems that Cortés' intention was to maintain the basic structure of the Aztec empire under his leadership, and at first it seemed the Aztec empire could survive. The upper Aztec classes, at first, were considered as noblemen (to this day, the title of Duke of Moctezuma is held by a Spanish noble family). The upper classes learned Spanish, and several learned to write in European characters. Some of their surviving writings are crucial in our knowledge of the Aztecs. Also, the first missionaries tried to learn Nahuatl and some, like Bernardino de Sahagún, decided to learn as much as they could of the Aztec culture.

    But soon all that changed. To pay off the Spanish army that captured Mexico the soldiers and officers were granted large areas of land and the natives who lived on them as a type of feudalism. Although officially they could not become slaves, the system, known as encomienda, became a system of oppression and exploitation of natives, although its originators may not have set out with such intent.

    In short order, the upper echelons of patrons and priests in the society lived off the work of the lower classes. Due to some horrifying instances of abuse against the indigenous peoples, Bishop Bartolomé de las Casas suggested importing black slaves to replace them. Bartolomé later repented when he saw the even worse treatment given to the black slaves. The other discovery that perpetuated this system was extensive silver mines discovered at Potosi, in Peru and other places that were worked for hundreds of years by forced native labor and contributed most of the wealth that flowed to Spain. Spain spent enormous amounts of this wealth hiring mercenaries to fight the Protestant Reformation.

    The conquistadors brought with them the Catholic faith and a lot of priests, to which the population was converted rapidly, or at least, nominally so. Because of their success in getting rid of the Muslims in Spain, the Catholic Church operated almost as an arm of the Spanish government.

    It soon became apparent that most of the natives had adopted "the god of the heavens", as they called it, as just another one of their many gods. While it was an important god, because it was the god of the conquerors, they did not see why they had to abandon their old beliefs. As a result, a second wave of missionaries began a process attempting to completely erase the old beliefs, and thus wiped out many aspects of Mesoamerican culture. Hundreds of thousands of Aztec codices were destroyed, Aztec priests and teachers were persecuted, and the temples and statues of the old gods were destroyed.

    The Aztec education system was abolished and replaced by a very limited church education. Even some foods associated with Mesoamerican religious practice, such as amaranto, were forbidden.

    Eventually, the Indians were not only forbidden to learn of their cultures, but also were forbidden to learn to read and write in Spanish. In some areas, some of the natives were declared minors, and forbidden to learn to read and write, so they would always need a Spanish man in charge of them to be responsible of their indoctrination.

    Unlike the English-speaking colonists of North America, the majority of the Spanish colonists were single men who married or made concubines of the natives, and were even encouraged to do so by Queen Isabella during the earliest days of colonization. As a result of these unions, as well as concubinage and secret mistresses, a vast class of people known as "Mestizos" and mulattos came into being. But even if mixes were allowed, the white population tried, largely successfully even today, to keep their status via a caste system. "

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Conquest_of_Mexico

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/4/2007 5:01:47 AM   
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    "In comparison with the I80 from Reno to Cleveland excluding Chicago ......... Outer Mongolia ............ lol .... ; )"
    I told you in my first posting to get away from the freeway to see the real America.  Sure I guess if you get to cut out the diverse parts you can pretend the way you do.


    ! ... 45,000 road miles, 22 states in 2 years, plus all the flights .................... just how much interstate do you think there is? As stated before I refuted a sweeping statement about the US not that there was no diversity ..!

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    RE: "America should not be afraid of diversity." - 6/4/2007 5:30:24 AM   
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    Diversity is all very well, but without some common identity and culture all one gets is islands of different peoples who happen to occupy the same country.

    Where the US has always won in the past on that count is by way of its written constitution, the shared aspirations, the use of one language and a patriotism that looks odd to we Europeans but worked. Where the UK has lost post war on the same count is in its insistence that it can be all things to all peoples because perhaps it does not know what it is itself.

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